how does a remapped Gti fair against standard edition30?

[ilovedsg]

Hi, first post on here though I've been lurking for a while.

Welcome to the forum then!   

No-one seems to talk about e-maps, is there a reason for this?

My Mk5 DSG has an e-maps remap supposedly giving me about 250 hp and feels fantastic.

I paid £375 which seemed cheap compared to some and Simon came to me (and has reflashed once since free)

I've never heard of them.  Got a link?  How did you first find out about them?

Think there's are Oettinger maps, is that right and if so are they considered good?

Oettinger have always been very highly regarded, and are one of the few VAG-only tuners.  Unfortunately, they have never really been marketed very well in the UK, and (I think) RSD were probably their only agent here in Blighty.

There are also other highly regarded VAG-only tuners too, which include MTM, Abt, APR, B&B, Dahlbäck Racing - and probably a few more besides - with MTM arguably being at the top of the proverbial tree.

E-Maps are http://www.e-maps.co.uk/

Let me emphasise I'm not affiliated with them in any way, I'd heard of them from e90 post as I was going to get my BMW done a couple of years ago and they were getting recommended on their forum.

Thanks for the welcome.

[Saint Steve]

how does a remapped Gti fair against standard edition30?

Well according to Santa Pod's timing gear, very similar (only 1/10th sec in it). Although the Ed30 was DSG, but the GTI had other mods over remap (ie Exhaust, FMIC, Intake etc).
In accelaration terms I would say the mapped GTI would take a small lead upto just under triple figures, then after that the KO4 would bring the ED30 back in play and turn the tables around (but again by a small margain).

yeps, mapped gti is quicker than a std ed30  ask phil mc 

In addition, remapped 300+ stage 2 ed30's were only 1 or 2 tenths faster over a quarter mile, again traction issues.
Yes it was very cold and getting grip was tough, but its the same for both Vehicals so that cant be the reason for such a close set of results.
You have to throw some serious money at it to see huge benefits


The moral of the story is, if you cant control the traction, and cant afford to mod to cope, then dont bother  If you can then go for it. Awesome Machine 

Using the fastest standard Ed30 (with DSG) time against one of the slowest Ed30 times is hardly a fair comparison Steve.. 
For a fairer comparison...
Fastest standard ED30 DSG = 14.7 @ 96mph
Fastest "remapped 300+ stage 2" ED30 DSG = 13.2 @ 111mph.

Which is a fair sized gap mate, just a shame we never got to see what it would of looked like on the strip..  Yeah some of the modded Ed30 guys struggled with traction, which going by the conditons and being most peeps first time on the strip, was hardly suprising. But there was others that started to get the hang of it in the end as well as me (Neil M, Steve, Jonny C etc)

But all those cars ben are at a further state of tune then the ones i was baseding my example. Power is no good without traction.Thats not rocket science mate.
and at no point did i dismiss or deny at the quarter mile stage, speed difference between cars was 10+ mph.
Its only from 80mph that the Ed30 really motors on as per Timings on the day, and 60ft,330ft.1/8th distance etc.
Its the same conditions for both cars and yes better conditions would benefit BOTH cars.
Hurdys, Neils, your car,jonnys,nadeems,MatED30 cars have been modded more and had more spent on them then say Nathans,or GTijames, as an example.

[illyun]

Oettinger have a long and unrivalled heritage when it comes to VAG tuning, but got into financial trouble a couple of years back I think.  APR from the USA bought them and from what I know,

Really!        They are still listed as a German private company (GmbH - which is equvalent to a UK 'Limited' company), trading under German law (Bad Homburg)?

If you google the subject, it seems to be confirmed in many different forums and I'm sure I read a magazine article about it a while back.  BTW, having GmbH after their name doesn't mean anything in terms of ownership - only that they are a legal company under German Law.  But they could be owned by Americans or whatever... same goes for Ltd companies.

[illyun]

I have personally driven the VWR demo car and can attest to its superb remap which is used on the offical VW Racing track cars - I think VWR are the only offically permitted producers of Scirocco track cars for VW motorsport use, so they're pretty good too.

Without dragging up old stuff again, I would strongly doubt that VWR are the only official company allowed to provide their services! 

Well, I got this is on the VW website...  http://www.volkswagen.co.uk/volkswagen-world/news/item/117  where it says that 'Volkswagen Racing UK are the only permitted builder of racing versions of the Scirocco'. 

[Vtec Abuser]

how does a remapped Gti fair against standard edition30?

Well according to Santa Pod's timing gear, very similar (only 1/10th sec in it). Although the Ed30 was DSG, but the GTI had other mods over remap (ie Exhaust, FMIC, Intake etc).
In accelaration terms I would say the mapped GTI would take a small lead upto just under triple figures, then after that the KO4 would bring the ED30 back in play and turn the tables around (but again by a small margain).

yeps, mapped gti is quicker than a std ed30  ask phil mc 

In addition, remapped 300+ stage 2 ed30's were only 1 or 2 tenths faster over a quarter mile, again traction issues.
Yes it was very cold and getting grip was tough, but its the same for both Vehicals so that cant be the reason for such a close set of results.
You have to throw some serious money at it to see huge benefits


The moral of the story is, if you cant control the traction, and cant afford to mod to cope, then dont bother  If you can then go for it. Awesome Machine 

Using the fastest standard Ed30 (with DSG) time against one of the slowest Ed30 times is hardly a fair comparison Steve.. 
For a fairer comparison...
Fastest standard ED30 DSG = 14.7 @ 96mph
Fastest "remapped 300+ stage 2" ED30 DSG = 13.2 @ 111mph.

Which is a fair sized gap mate, just a shame we never got to see what it would of looked like on the strip..  Yeah some of the modded Ed30 guys struggled with traction, which going by the conditons and being most peeps first time on the strip, was hardly suprising. But there was others that started to get the hang of it in the end as well as me (Neil M, Steve, Jonny C etc)

But all those cars ben are at a further state of tune then the ones i was baseding my example. Power is no good without traction.Thats not rocket science mate.
and at no point did i dismiss or deny at the quarter mile stage, speed difference between cars was 10+ mph.
Its only from 80mph that the Ed30 really motors on as per Timings on the day, and 60ft,330ft.1/8th distance etc.
Its the same conditions for both cars and yes better conditions would benefit BOTH cars.
Hurdys, Neils, your car,jonnys,nadeems,MatED30 cars have been modded more and had more spent on them then say Nathans,or GTijames, as an example.

Sorry mate, I still don't agree...
Yeah "Power is no good without control", but most of that control is down to the driver and his right foot. On my last run (not my best run either) I ran a 5.3 0-60 on the Racelogic timing equipment I borrowed, even with the cold conditions. In standard form I wouldn't match that. What were your 60ft, 330ft and 1/8th mile figures out of interest... As I bet they are all a fair bit slower? So no I don't think it's only 80mph onwards that a modded Ed30 is quicker than standard one, it's across the range. BUT that doesn't mean someone can't get in a modded ED30 and give it far to much beans, sit on the spot and end up wiith similar figures to a standard one. After all a lot of it is down to the driver IMO..
Not being funny, but you did say..

In addition, remapped 300+ stage 2 ed30's were only 1 or 2 tenths faster over a quarter mile, again traction issues.

Mine is Stage 2 mate, hence the reason I posted the reply..
Also..

Hurdys, Neils, your car,jonnys,nadeems,MatED30 cars have been modded more and had more spent on them then say Nathans,or GTijames, as an example.

My car has had a total of...
£500 Revo map
£250 Milltek TBE (Second hand)
£45 ITG Panel filter,
So I think you maybe wrong there also mate.. 

[illyun]

Yeah don't use me as an example Phil - I c0cked up on the strip    Although my wife's cousin managed 13.67s to 1/4 mile on his first ever and only run... I'm sure there's much more I could have got out of the car.  Honestly, you should try a Revo Stage 1 trial - I promise you that you won't want to go back to standard as the car is much quicker 

[Vtec Abuser]

Yeah don't use me as an example Phil - I c0cked up on the strip    Although my wife's cousin managed 13.67s to 1/4 mile on his first ever and only run... I'm sure there's much more I could have got out of the car.  Honestly, you should try a Revo Stage 1 trial - I promise you that you won't want to go back to standard as the car is much quicker 

I have no doubt at all that yours will go quite a bit quicker mate. On the right day it should easilly see 12's with a good launch. You have the exact mods that I would get if I were to carry on the modding bug.. 

[illyun]

I have no doubt at all that yours will go quite a bit quicker mate. On the right day it should easilly see 12's with a good launch. You have the exact mods that I would get if I were to carry on the modding bug.. 

I haven't got a modding bug anymore - its developed into a full-blown neurotic disease and the mod to-do list is still long

[Vtec Abuser]

I think there should be support groups available to be honest..

"Hi, my name's Ben and I like to spend all my income on making my KO4 run more boost!" 

[Saint Steve]

Yeah don't use me as an example Phil - I c0cked up on the strip    Although my wife's cousin managed 13.67s to 1/4 mile on his first ever and only run... I'm sure there's much more I could have got out of the car.  Honestly, you should try a Revo Stage 1 trial - I promise you that you won't want to go back to standard as the car is much quicker 

i would love too nadeem, but swmbo doesnt see it as a waste of money :embarassed:, and for an easy life, i will once again by my time. Perhaps when the warranty expires and she may well be more willin to listen to my cries!. I trial would be a good test and perhaps a good secret weapon against JoesGTi if we ever have another chance down the strip again.
Im sure will would crack sub 14.3 with a good launch this time instead of near tickover launch that i was doing a last time out at the Pod.