how does a remapped Gti fair against standard edition30?

[Teutonic_Tamer]

TBH, you can have issues with any tuner...I know from personal experience in the past.

The larger tuner have extensive development invested in their product, but that isn't to say that smaller tuning companies can't be just as good.

Sometimes, yes, othertimes not true.  There are two certain 'tuners' (one beginging with 'S', and the other begining with 'C') who are undobtedly 'large' - but unfortunately - they are actually way too large to offer any real, dedicated VAG in-depth R&D when it comes to remaps - and this has been proven on numerous occasions.

OK, it is well known that Revo could also be classed as a 'large company' - but the beauty about Revo is that they mainly dedicate their R&D soley on VAG marques.  But just because someone like, say, R-Tech may appear to be a 'small' company - what is absolutely clear is that they too are dedicated to the VAG marques too (OK, they also do Fiat and BMW - but I don't think they spread their wings no where near as wide as some of the other 'large tuners').  They also have some very tasty 4WD rolling roads - which are very rare, and are not found say in Portsmouth! 

The thing is people will always recommend from personal experience and recommendations of satisfied customers..that's just the way it is. If you find a tuner you are happy with, all the better, you just have to have faith that they are as good as they purport to be and don't have hidden software glitches in their maps that could ultimately damage the car.

OK, two issues.  Firstly, yes, I basically agree with what you say, and recommendations can indeed be very important.

But my second, and more crucial concern actually addresses certain 'individuals' who state these recommendations.  Some of these may actually be - well - dare I say it - more than a little gullible - and wouldn't actually know the truth even if someone was BSing them.  These types can actually recommend a product or service, when they personally believe it is good.  However, when alternative POV come to light, these same peeps seem to have great difficulty in shifting their own opinion - and adamantly continue to 'recommend' even after conflicting evidence is bought to light!

[RedRobin]

^^^^
What can any of us do, including yourself of course, but recommend what we believe to be true. I think this was one of the points made by Hurdy in his post.

It would be exceedingly tedious for us all to write "In My Opinion" in every single post - Surely that's taken for granted.

[joesgti]

how can mk4 owners give good or better advise to mk5 owners about remaps than mk5 owners? r-tech are sponsers of this site, they are gods in some peoples eyes. i have a cheap re-map on mine and it works very well with my mods as was shown at santa pod, but if i could go back in time and if i had researched it better i would have gone with revo, without question.

Phil UD is ultimate dubs, its on the mk5 forum, theres quite alot of us going down (or up for you) 

[illyun]

The advantage of RTech in this case would be that they do data logging runs before/during/after to make sure it's all healthy, rather than just flashing a generic map and sending you on your way.

Thats not an Advantage of RTech per se as it depends on which Revo dealer you go to.  I'm sure there are some dealers who just slap it on and send you on your way, but there are excellent ones in reach no matter where you live who also spend time on your car before and after a map, change adjustable parameters on the Revo map to suit your car and who also have a rolling road which shows exactly what you've got.  BTW I've got nothing against Nick who I've heard nothing but good about on this forum, but if it was my car, I'd go with Revo or another major vendor anyday.

[illyun]

Just been to the forum R-Tech have started as a marketing tool and I have to say I'm impressed after reading the comments...  but as Hurdy says, if you find a tuner you're happy with then you'ill probably stay with them and I've got no complaints against Revo or JKM who have been excellent... 5000 miles and counting.

[RedRobin]

But my second, and more crucial concern actually addresses certain 'individuals' who state these recommendations.  Some of these may actually be - well - dare I say it - more than a little gullible - and wouldn't actually know the truth even if someone was BSing them.  These types can actually recommend a product or service, when they personally believe it is good.  However, when alternative POV come to light, these same peeps seem to have great difficulty in shifting their own opinion - and adamantly continue to 'recommend' even after conflicting evidence is bought to light!

....Funny you should say that - I had an open mind until sometime proclaiming themself as an expert was very vocal on here, often with much vitriol, about how bad a certain tuner whose name begins with 'S' was (and also certain other motorsport businesses). I believed him until my own experiences showed me otherwise and I consequently changed my POV. I also changed my POV about that person's 'expert' advice generally.

[topher]

how can mk4 owners give good or better advise to mk5 owners about remaps than mk5 owners? r-tech are sponsers of this site, they are gods in some peoples eyes. i have a cheap re-map on mine and it works very well with my mods as was shown at santa pod, but if i could go back in time and if i had researched it better i would have gone with revo, without question.

I think it's more the fact that the mk4 owners have been using these 'branded' tuning companies for years and have a wealth of experience with tuning of F.I VAG engines. Obviously not MK5's, but their experience is not to be sniffed at, since these are the people that are dealing with the issues occurring several years down the line.

Some people however only seem to take notice of advice from those who end all their statements with the word FACT!

For the record, rtech were allowed to be sponsors BECAUSE of the glowing feedback and customer reports, not the other way round. I even paid them a visit personally to check them out before allowing them anywhere near the site.

Anywho this appears to be going in the wrong direction. As much fun as 'which remap is best' discussions are, they're rarely conclusive (for the reasons stated by several people above) and we're already off-topic enough

[Rhyso]

I'm sure there are some dealers who just slap it on and send you on your way, but there are excellent ones in reach no matter where you live who also spend time on your car before and after a map, change adjustable parameters on the Revo map to suit your car and who also have a rolling road which shows exactly what you've got. 

Not 100% true - i think my nearest Revo dealer is over 100 miles away so going back and forth to them if i had Revo and a problem would be a major ballache

how can mk4 owners give good or better advise to mk5 owners about remaps than mk5 owners? r-tech are sponsers of this site, they are gods in some peoples eyes. i have a cheap re-map on mine and it works very well with my mods as was shown at santa pod, but if i could go back in time and if i had researched it better i would have gone with revo, without question.

a guy asked a question about who we would recommend to get his car remapped that's all.......

If Revo are so popular how come there are very few members on here with a Revo remap.........

Also whats to say you'd like the Revo remap better than your current one?  

EDIT - just seen Topher's post lol 

[Vtec Abuser]

how does a remapped Gti fair against standard edition30?

Well according to Santa Pod's timing gear, very similar (only 1/10th sec in it). Although the Ed30 was DSG, but the GTI had other mods over remap (ie Exhaust, FMIC, Intake etc).
In accelaration terms I would say the mapped GTI would take a small lead upto just under triple figures, then after that the KO4 would bring the ED30 back in play and turn the tables around (but again by a small margain).

yeps, mapped gti is quicker than a std ed30  ask phil mc 

In addition, remapped 300+ stage 2 ed30's were only 1 or 2 tenths faster over a quarter mile, again traction issues.
Yes it was very cold and getting grip was tough, but its the same for both Vehicals so that cant be the reason for such a close set of results.
You have to throw some serious money at it to see huge benefits


The moral of the story is, if you cant control the traction, and cant afford to mod to cope, then dont bother  If you can then go for it. Awesome Machine 

Using the fastest standard Ed30 (with DSG) time against one of the slowest Ed30 times is hardly a fair comparison Steve.. 
For a fairer comparison...
Fastest standard ED30 DSG = 14.7 @ 96mph
Fastest "remapped 300+ stage 2" ED30 DSG = 13.2 @ 111mph.

Which is a fair sized gap mate, just a shame we never got to see what it would of looked like on the strip..  Yeah some of the modded Ed30 guys struggled with traction, which going by the conditons and being most peeps first time on the strip, was hardly suprising. But there was others that started to get the hang of it in the end as well as me (Neil M, Steve, Jonny C etc)

[RedRobin]

If Revo are so popular how come there are very few members on here with a Revo remap.........

....Across all Mk5 forums I think you'll find that the majority have Revo, followed by Superchips.

Whichever the remap I think we've already established that a remapped GTI fairs pretty well against a standard Ed30 (the original poster's question). In other words, they're pretty equal if just a Stage1 remap.