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Offline bully85

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clipper
« on: 05 February 2009, 00:40 »
sorry to sound stupid but does clipper=gti??

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Re: clipper
« Reply #1 on: 05 February 2009, 08:57 »
No clipper means 1.8L carb model  :sad:

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Re: clipper
« Reply #2 on: 05 February 2009, 09:36 »
Nowt wrong with a clipper! cheaper insurance and not a huge difference in performance iirc!  :wink:

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Re: clipper
« Reply #3 on: 05 February 2009, 13:38 »
Also, the "Clipper kit" is reffered to the big bumpers and side skirts on the newer cabs.
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Re: clipper
« Reply #4 on: 05 February 2009, 14:20 »
what other blocks can you drop in without being stupid?

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Re: clipper
« Reply #5 on: 05 February 2009, 15:20 »
with no fab work at all 2.0 8v from a MK3.  With slight messing about you can fit 1.8/2.0 16v blocks, the problem with these is the exhaust manifold/downpipe.  there are 4 branch conversions available off the shelf, or you could make your own downpipe to fit the MK2 manifold and rest of the zaust system.  Anything better than that and you need fab work, 1.8t needs a custom driver side mount, plus the 02a box also needs a custom gearbox mount, plus the zaust again needs custom work.  You could fit an 020 gearbox to it but its the gearbox equivilant of russian roulette every time you go out :laugh:

G60 can also be shoehorned in with pretty much the same issues as the 1.8t, but they're getting quite old and expensive now for what they are.  A std MK1 exhaust would fit but it would choke the engine I recon, so again custom zaust.
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Re: clipper
« Reply #6 on: 05 February 2009, 15:28 »
what would me ur recomemdation?thanks

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Re: clipper
« Reply #7 on: 05 February 2009, 17:11 »
personally i would go for a 2.0 16v, ABF lump are very nice out of the box.  If you can stretch to it run it on the oem abf managment, bit of fiddlign to get the wiring in a MK1 chassis but still entirely doable.  If you really dont fancy the wiring, run it on KR managment instead :)

starting with a carby no matter what engine you put in you'll have to faff with the fuel system in some way, you could run it on carbs with just the kr ignition controller, just need to find somewhere to stash a facet pump and regualtor, the KR ign controller has a trigger wire for an electronic fuel pump though :)
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Re: clipper
« Reply #8 on: 05 February 2009, 17:13 »
thats what i had in my mk3 how much work would be involved?thanks

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Re: clipper
« Reply #9 on: 05 February 2009, 17:44 »
if you bolted a MK1/2 020 box to it (i.e. your old one if it shifts ok!) then it will drop in using all the original mounts, gear linkages etc.  Just get yourself a new sachs clutch kit and bnolt on your old flywheel.  Easy swap.
Next problem is the exhaust system, as I say 4 branches for MK1 16v are available off the shelf, but ideally you want to find some people who have abfed a MK1 to find out what work and what dont, the issue with ABF is it a bit taller than a KR lump so sometimes there can be clearance issues depending on the make of 4 branch.  Good news is on a MK1 you can change the manifold/downpipe with the engine fitted, as unlike a MK2 it comes out underneath the steering rack and there is no subframe in the way :)

Once you get that sorted, if you go with the ABF managment you need to get a lambda probe boss fitted to the 4 branch, if one is not already fitted, as I say you can whipo the 4 branch out once the fitment is all finalised, or it can be done in situ, my mate james had a boss fitted by the phirm after the car was together & running no problem.

Last hurdle is the wiring.  A bit of wire splicing and loom tweakage will be required as a) the MK3 has the fusebox on the opposite side to the MK1, and b) the fusebox plugs are different.  What I do is to remove the engine loom (leave the lighting loom alone) and strip off the loom wrap.  Every 20cm or so, wrap the loom with tape so it keeps its shape roughly, then remove everything that isnt engine managment related except the black and red/black wires to the coil.  Leave the wires for the coolant temp, radiator etc, just remove things like the carb heater wires, that kind o thing.  Keep the coil, dizzy & TCI-H loom handy, as you need some of this later.
Now get your ABF loom and do the same thing but remove everything that is NOT engine related!

What you want to do is keep as many of the MK1 wires as you can, to reduce the splicing required later.  Also bits n bobs in the MK3 bay have different plugs on, plus the lengths are all to pot.  What you should be left with is a pretty much standalone ABF engine loom, with only a very small number of wires to the fusebox left :)
Last thing to do is to cut off the MK3 coil plug, bin off the black and the brown wire.  You should be left with the signal wire from the ECU.  This wire needs to be spliced to the wire attached to pin 6 of the TCI-H unit, this is one of the wires to the MK1 distributor.  Once this is done the MK1 dizzy plug and the other 2 wires can be binned, you only need to keep the ones that connect to the coil anbd the battery -ve.  This ensures that your MK1 rev counter will work right out of the box, plus you also do away with the rubbish MK3 coil.

Once you get to this stage, you need to combine the 2 looms together, and push the MK3 loom thru the MK1 bulkgead wiring bung grommet thing.  Once at this stage you need to trial fit the loom, and decide what needs to be done to get the lengths right.  Handily most of the ABF loom is attached to a big round plug on the front of the engine, so you'll probably find the loom just needs to be shortened a great deal to reach the MK1 fusebox.
Then its just a case of i/d the wires on the ABF loom, and figure out where to splice to.  My fusebox FAQ should help here :)

It all sounds pretty complicated, but its easier to do it than it is to explain :grin:

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« Last Edit: 05 February 2009, 17:47 by rubjonny »
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