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Offline R32UK

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Well fill my cavity!! NO WAY! IMPOSSIBLE!!
« on: 29 January 2009, 08:17 »
R32uk's car is the only R that returns more then the VW handbook specifys. From a cold start , and 8 mile journey, theres NO WAY your car will accurately return that figure, especially from cold as it runs a third richer and would use more then on a long run giving then a good mpg reading on the mfd. :shocked: :shocked: :shocked:
From Brim to Brim  that  is the only way to correctly work out whether your R32 is giving you that figure.At 36mpg, thats 432 mile range!. IMPOSSIBLE!!

A 2.0lt TFSi cannot return that figure even driven with kid gloves, and your saying a V6 is more efficient!! :shocked:


Done from a cold start (5.5 degrees not garaged) With traffic, and stopping briefly at 2 sets of lights. I think that answers your questions for you Phil :wink:






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Re: Well fill my cavity!! NO WAY! IMPOSSIBLE!!
« Reply #1 on: 29 January 2009, 08:29 »
Nice one. I dunno how you did it though,  :laugh: 33mpg best I have even seen in my R and I was REALLY trying to ease along.
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Re: Well fill my cavity!! NO WAY! IMPOSSIBLE!!
« Reply #2 on: 29 January 2009, 08:45 »
R32  I take it you live on that famous 8 mile downhill section of road  :grin:

Just noticed your sig pic, looks suspisously like a downhill road.............
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Re: Well fill my cavity!! NO WAY! IMPOSSIBLE!!
« Reply #3 on: 29 January 2009, 08:57 »
I don't see why people struggle to believe that the mk5 R32 isn't as thirsty as V6's of the past. The mk4 was pretty poor, but we now have FSI technology and when running at it's leanest the 3.2 can have an AFR of up to 65:1. Add to that the majority of the driving is done at less than 4000rpm, where the turbo boys are just into their power band.. well it's a rather efficient old lump.
I get 300 miles from a tank on my usual commute (and I don't hang about), which involves a short motorway blast, lots of twisty back roads, a couple of speedy dual carriageways, 14 roundabouts, 8 sets of traffic lights, and finally a 15 minute crawl through stop-start traffic as I get into the town centre. On a pure motorway run I've seen over 400 miles from a tank.

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Re: Well fill my cavity!! NO WAY! IMPOSSIBLE!!
« Reply #4 on: 29 January 2009, 09:00 »
R32uk's car is the only R that returns more then the VW handbook specifys. From a cold start , and 8 mile journey, theres NO WAY your car will accurately return that figure, especially from cold as it runs a third richer and would use more then on a long run giving then a good mpg reading on the mfd. :shocked: :shocked: :shocked:
From Brim to Brim  that  is the only way to correctly work out whether your R32 is giving you that figure.At 36mpg, thats 432 mile range!. IMPOSSIBLE!!

A 2.0lt TFSi cannot return that figure even driven with kid gloves, and your saying a V6 is more efficient!! :shocked:

Done from a cold start (5.5 degrees not garaged) With traffic, and stopping briefly at 2 sets of lights. I think that answers your questions for you Phil :wink:








Sigh . . .

That type of comment by Phil Mcavity is just one of the reasons why I often can't be arsed to post on this forum!  :rolleyes:

As usual, Phil repeatedly posts utter, UTTER bollox.  Not to mention how he repeatedly contradicts his own posts.  I'm sorry to say it, but I really think that Phil is basically abusing his position of trust (of being a moderator) by posting such polarised, unsubstantiated, and simply un-true rubbish.  And when anyone else tries to disagree with him, he gets all arsey, or even deletes the thread.
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Re: Well fill my cavity!! NO WAY! IMPOSSIBLE!!
« Reply #5 on: 29 January 2009, 09:20 »
Nice one. I dunno how you did it though,  :laugh: 33mpg best I have even seen in my R and I was REALLY trying to ease along.

I got 36.6 in this exact same car doing a 22mile run to work so easy off on the right foot bro :)

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Re: Well fill my cavity!! NO WAY! IMPOSSIBLE!!
« Reply #6 on: 29 January 2009, 09:23 »
I don't see why people struggle to believe that the mk5 R32 isn't as thirsty as V6's of the past.

Agreed.  The Mk5 R32, when driven with restraint, really can give quite respectable fuel economy, just like my mighty V8 RS4 can.  However, if you do have a heavy right foot, then that is where the VR6 engine looses out to the 2.0TFSI, and even the RS4 engine.  The VR6 (just like all narrow angle V engines) need to run much richer (when compared to in-lines, conventional angle Vs [60 or 90 degree], or boxers) when developing high power due to the complications of less efficient engine cooling

The mk4 was pretty poor, but we now have FSI technology and when running at it's leanest the 3.2 can have an AFR of up to 65:1.

Erm, I suggest you lift the bonnet on a Mk5 R32 - because they definately do NOT have FSI.  They still have manifold-sited injectors.  And I'm slightly cautious of your lean AFR - at that quoted rate, that would need to be for miniscule timescales - because not only would you melt holes in your piston crowns, you would also get tremendous amounts of sulphur dioxides (and sulphur oxide derrivatives).  I would hazard a guess that most modern engines (when using Ultra Low Sulphur Petrol [ULSP], available in the UK and Western Europe, but not anywhere else, particularly North America) would be able to safely achieve a lean AFR 25 or 30:1.  Only direct injection petrol engines can go routinely leaner, but not for extended periods, because the primary EGT will be carefully monitored during lean burn mode.

Add to that the majority of the driving is done at less than 4000rpm, where the turbo boys are just into their power band.. well it's a rather efficient old lump.

Maybe the K04 boys, but the K03 in the standard GTI starts its power band from 1750rpm.  :wink:

I get 300 miles from a tank on my usual commute (and I don't hang about), which involves a short motorway blast, lots of twisty back roads, a couple of speedy dual carriageways, 14 roundabouts, 8 sets of traffic lights, and finally a 15 minute crawl through stop-start traffic as I get into the town centre. On a pure motorway run I've seen over 400 miles from a tank.

Exactly.  Horses for courses and all that.  Fuel consumption is substantially dictated by the nut holding the steering wheel.  An FSI GTI, or R32, or even an RS4, when driven with restraint (the latter with some serious restraint and discipline  :rolleyes:) can absolutly achieve better fuel economy when compared to a TDI which is regularly caned.

I had the misfortune of driving a new Merc A-class diesel (A140), and in the 201miles I drove it (you had to cane the bast@rd - it didn't have enough guts to drag the skin off a rice pudding), it used £45 of diesel !!!!!  :shocked:  :shocked:  :shocked:  :shocked:
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Re: Well fill my cavity!! NO WAY! IMPOSSIBLE!!
« Reply #7 on: 29 January 2009, 09:30 »
And to add to that post I will even stick my neck out and say with the right conditions, no traffic and less fuel in the tank or stuff/crap in the boot, Im convinced I could get 40mpg. (might get pulled or a few strange looks) but Im sure its possible.

If you also look at the amount of time it took me, it was only about 2-3mins over what it usually takes me. So all in all... not bad at all for a 3.2 :wink:

Said it before and I will say it again.... "cheaper to run than an ED30" you can quote me on that :grin: :grin:

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Re: Well fill my cavity!! NO WAY! IMPOSSIBLE!!
« Reply #8 on: 29 January 2009, 09:36 »
Well bugger me.. it's only the 90deg 3.2 V6s in audis that use FSI.. yet the narrow angle 3.6 in the passat does use FSI, in that case this engine is even more amazing :grin:

The 65:1 is at the very extreme end of the 'ultra lean burn' and yes for a minute amount of time.. but still worthy of mention. Interesting stuff this stratified injection. Well.. interesting to me :laugh:

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Re: Well fill my cavity!! NO WAY! IMPOSSIBLE!!
« Reply #9 on: 29 January 2009, 09:47 »


Said it before and I will say it again.... "cheaper to run than an ED30" you can quote me on that :grin: :grin:

But then again, if you drive a ED30 with a very light foot, like you have with your R32, wouldnt you achieve even better fuel consumption with the ED30 as well?

We should get a ED30 owner to test and see what they can achieve - in theory, it should be better then the R32 obviously - but wow, you get some good MPG in your car R32UK!