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Offline sidecarphil

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oooh sh!t

thats all i can say  :angry: :angry: :angry:

you say it was ok till you did the tappet re-furb ???

there MUST be some thing you have overlooked , or missed off i really cannot think what it could be ???

Offline Ben Lessani

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All the pictures are here

Maybe someone else can see something I can't.

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the cam is showing sings of wear,   cant really say more than that from piccys tho
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I feel for you pal.

I have just had a look at your project thread and I noticed something about the camshaft that you should check up on. The top of the lobes are nice and polished where it has been contacting the tappets, but the dwells are coated with varnish. I mentioned it before, but you may want to check the tappet clearance to see if it is too big. I don't have the figures to hand, but the figures should be mentioned in the haynes. If this gap does not close up, then the tappets will sound. This means that either the tappets are at fault and not pumping up for some reason, or there is no oil getting into them.
By the looks of your old, new tappets, they are turning as advertised when the engine is running, so no problems there. They are just not pumping up.
If you feel the urge again, remove the cam and get a very light peice of ferous metal that is not magnetised. (Sprinkle some iron filing on it to make sure most of them don't stick! :wink:) Then position the ferrous metal in close proximity to the valve stem and collets and see if it is attracted to them. If it is, then your valves are polarised.
I know I harp on about magnetism, but some people get away with it, and some don't. Something is preventing the tappets doing their job and you need to find out why.

Failing that, you can fit old school solid ones, but these are a pain to set up and require adjustment by adding shims underneath them. So its cam on, cam off until you get it right. But when it's all done, you will always have some degree of tappet noise. That is the nature of solid lifters.
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Offline RJuk1982

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Hi,

I'm new to the forum and not really a Golf engine expert so don't hang on my advice but.......

I've read through your project thread and it seems that you only started to get tappet noise after you used the Forte engine flush in January this year, is this correct?

Looking at your milage (180,000 ish) and the brown coating on you engine internals I'm afraid I would go with the theory that engine flushing has dislodged some crud which has blocked the oilway to some of the tappets, you obviously have oil pressure at the head so it could be local to the tappets.

Can you just confirm a few things for me as well, I don't know if these are related but they are interesting:

Did you have a period with no anti freeze in the engine when the coolant froze or did I misread?

When 500ml of coolant disappeared did you ever trace where it went?

At one point you had lots of mayo over the filler and the rocker cover but it appeared to be a one off?

Best of luck sorting this out and nice car by the way!




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oh my god

i hope i'm not speaking too soon, but its either great news or catastrophic news.

i think i've gone deaf, because i can't seem to hear any lifter noise :undecided: i just went and took the car for a drive as my last hope, a quick 10 miles up the m'way, 10 miles round some twisty bits and 15 miles home on the m'way.

not a hint of noise the entire way!?!?!?! i don't know whether they needed to bleed down, but leaving the car after running it before (immediately after fitting) appears to have resolved the issue (fingers crossed).

so all in all, it sems on my mission to solve my tappet noise, i've had to do the following

strip down engine to get to tappets
strip down each tappet and clean out
£3 mr muscle
rebuild engine
stripdown engine
replace valve stem seals
£11
replace tappets
£25
replace rocker cover gasket
£9
rebuild engine
fill engine with atf
£4
drive to blackpool and back to run in atf
£14
strip down engine
replace sump gasket
£10
replace oil and filter
£10

total £86 and about 400 grey hairs - was it worth it, hell yeah. i've never been so happy to hear the trim rattling, wind noise and my screaming passengers

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Fingers crossed all is ok.

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I've read through your project thread and it seems that you only started to get tappet noise after you used the Forte engine flush in January this year, is this correct?

yes and no, i've always had intermitted tappet noise, i think the oil change had highlighted it - plus i think the oil used (merc 10w40) really isn't any good for my car.

Looking at your milage (180,000 ish) and the brown coating on you engine internals I'm afraid I would go with the theory that engine flushing has dislodged some crud which has blocked the oilway to some of the tappets, you obviously have oil pressure at the head so it could be local to the tappets.

the brown is to be expected, its not sludge, just discoloration of the alu/steel.

Did you have a period with no anti freeze in the engine when the coolant froze or did I misread?

yep, i'm that stupid  :embarassed:

When 500ml of coolant disappeared did you ever trace where it went?

not 100% sure, after just driving the car, the lights blinked on again. but im pretty sure its leaking from the rubber pipes where it meets the new metal one.

At one point you had lots of mayo over the filler and the rocker cover but it appeared to be a one off?

i've got no signs of hg issues, the mayo was from a torn breather, a wet air filter and nothing but 2 mile journeys for the past 8 weeks.

Best of luck sorting this out and nice car by the way!

muchos thanks



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Nice one. Fingers crossed for you.


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Offline RJuk1982

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oh my god

i hope i'm not speaking too soon, but its either great news or catastrophic news.

i think i've gone deaf, because i can't seem to hear any lifter noise :undecided:

Fingers crossed for you here mate, I hope it's sorted itself.

I might still go with the blocked oilway theory but I guess it might have cleared itself which would be a result of the highest order!

I know you usually get brown stuff on engine components but I think the thickness of 'brown' often varies with milage and how often the vehicle was serviced. For me it offers a little bit of insight into how much crud is hanging around in other places in the engine but maybe I'm just spouting crap, it has been known!

Other than that I've got to admire your persistance with that car, it looks really neat and it seems you've had pretty much everything to bits at some point, it an impressive project thread.