whats faster??

[golfvr6]

I was being serious.
As Simon knows i have tried a couple of diesels recently, and i was totally shocked by the performance, particularly by a demo bora tdi 130 i had as a courtesy car, i believe the car may have been 'tweaked'.
What can i say, i drive a v6 and have driven mk2 16v's, an Audi 20v quattro, so i know a good hot hatch.
The diesel performed nearly as well as my vr6.
Saying that , sorry to disappoint you diesel geezers, but i would still choose a v6 over a diesel.
However i must admit i haven't driven a 1.8T petrol, but i can't see it being anywhere near as good as a diesel.
 

[brains]

i have driven a turbo diesel estate at worked and thought it was superb, i dont know the size of engine but  it had the six gears. i just thought that the 1.8t would be quicker. so if i was to look for a diesel whats the best golf to go for for around 10k. would like it fully loaded with toys and leather and quick

[Bodhi]

That's weird, I drove a Bora PD130 Sport and found it got absolutely spanked by my Mk3 16v in just about every important area - performance, handling, steering feel, brakes, fun quotient. If you're finding it comparable to your VR6 you're making me even more glad I went for the 16v than I already am.

By the way I never did sample this Audi 20v Quattro hot hatch of which you speak. Was it any good?

[golfvr6]

The bora i had for a day was a demo car, so i can't say if it had been tweaked. I previously drove a brand new Audi S3 2.0L TDI 140, it wasn't half as good.
So i see you are now driving in a valver, good choice, much better than an 8v.
What happened to your old car?
Strange statement about the 16v spanking a pd130 , i find that extremely unlikely, most likely you drove a car with a fault, or just in bad running order.
VR6 is still a better choice than a 16v, much more fun.
The Audi 90 quattro 20v is a saloon rather than a hatch, and yes it would spank your 16v all day  

[sijunior]

Having spoken to someone who knows, A standard 1.8t is 155-165bhp, hence why one persons 1.8t is quicker than another's,  VW will guarantee that your car what ever it is, is a minimum of what is stated in there brochure weather it be 150bhp, 180bhp or 225bhp, however VW cannot or cant be bothered to pin point exact bhp so bhp can vary from an extra 5-15bhp, I only found out because when i got mine I put it on a rolling road befor mods and it was pushing out 159bhp so being abit confused I asked the question what is standard bhp, this is all apparent, Idont know the full facts, Its only what i've been told by someone who's in the industry, hope this is helpfull to anyone thats interested,
Oh and by the way I've had a couple of MKIII 16v golf's off the lights so I'd say the 1.8t is quicker, don't know about top end, never raced one on a motorway

[Bodhi]

The Mk3 16v has the same power as a 1.8T yet weighs less. I guess it's faster then.

VR6, unfortunately the 8v went to an early grave after a freak accident when the road conditions suddenly changed from damp/drying yet grippy to wet and glass-like. As much as I enjoyed the 8v when an N-reg 16v came up for sale for ?3k it seemed wrong not to go for it. Especially as the extra insurance cost me a tenner. It's been interesting driving the two actually, the valver seems just as quick as the 8v up to about 4000rpm. However at that point where the 8v would start moaning and demanding another gear, the 16v takes off like a whippet with an arse full of dynamite. I don't know if mine's had some sort of replacement air filter, but at this point it also starts sounding like a TVR I still maintain the 8v is a fast car if driven properly, just the 16v is REALLY fast I was stunned the first time I slotted third at 50mph and nailed the throttle all the way to the redline. 100mph has never come up THAT quickly before......

The PD130 I drove was a VW courtesy car so have no idea what state the engine was in, felt strong and powerful tho. However as they can't break 9 seconds for the run to 60 i'm fairly convinced a 16v would tear it a new one. It also has less power and loads more weight. In all honesty I'd borrowed whilst my 8v was in for a service, and when i got it back after driving the PD130 all day I would put them both on a similar performance level tbh. You have to really work the 8v (That's it I'm convinced, diesels drivers are lazy bastards ) through the midrange, but I''m convinced it would keep up. It'd rape it through the corners aswell......

[marcus123]

 

mk3 8v is a fast car?


get the f**k out of here!

[Bodhi]

It is if you know how to drive it properly.

[marcus123]

 

do you meen drive it down a very steep hill?

[golfvr6]

That's weird, I drove a Bora PD130 Sport and found it got absolutely spanked by my Mk3 16v in just about every important area - performance, handling, steering feel, brakes, fun quotient. If you're finding it comparable to your VR6 you're making me even more glad I went for the 16v than I already am.

By the way I never did sample this Audi 20v Quattro hot hatch of which you speak. Was it any good?

The 20v looks like this



Its basically a 5 cylinder KR engine with a fuel rail instead of k-jet.
170 bhp from the factory