Clubsport S - Pictures - Inside & Out

[Jackie Treehorn]

Its got to be red hasn't it?!?

The VW seats suit the car very well, and if you have red belts it will look great!  This polo with pole positions and scroth harness works for me too, so they could have done this and saved more weight!


DSC_6148 by Emmber, on Flickr


For some balance, as this is a clubsport thread here are a few.

with cage
css6 by Emmber, on Flickr

css4 by Emmber, on Flickr

css3 by Emmber, on Flickr

css1 by Emmber, on Flickr

I appreciate the Ring times but wish they would stop the nonsense with them. 

[The ANT]

Its got to be red hasn't it?!?

The VW seats suit the car very well, and if you have red belts it will look great!  This polo with pole positions and scroth harness works for me too, so they could have done this and saved more weight!


DSC_6148 by Emmber, on Flickr


For some balance, as this is a clubsport thread here are a few.

with cage
css6 by Emmber, on Flickr

css4 by Emmber, on Flickr

css3 by Emmber, on Flickr

css1 by Emmber, on Flickr

I appreciate the Ring times but wish they would stop the nonsense with them. 

I'm not too bothered about ring times either but they are feeling the improvement of hot hatches, after the great depression in the early- mid nineties they were awful for about a decade, but they have been pulling their weight for a few years again now.

[volkswizard]

How does removing the rear seats for weight, but leaving the front heated seats in make sense?

I'd have thought it would be all or nothing, heated + rear bench or normal seats and no bench.

There are some funny decisions. I like the rear grab handles being left in. Think my favourite has to be what look like rear mats. For those rear passengers.

The spec sheet I saw said no floor mats were standard (yet as you said the white press car had them front and back - backs might be for photographers) and it also said no parking sensors but the press car had rears only (which I am glad about).
Mind you it had black wheels which aren't part of the spec so don't know who to trust 

[Jackie Treehorn]

I'm not too bothered about ring times either but they are feeling the improvement of hot hatches, after the great depression in the early- mid nineties they were awful for about a decade, but they have been pulling their weight for a few years again now.

Very true they are having a renaissance.

But I don't know which ones are genuine,  I doubt many are.  The Seat Sub 8 was stripped out and not a road car, the Civic had no passenger seat either and a full cage so not a road car, not sure about the Meganes. The Golf CSS has a disclaimer in the video, that its not meeting EU reg 1999/94/eu on emissions as its not for sale, so who knows what the fuel map was set to. The Guilia appears (according to some Ring chaps) to have way more HP than declared by the speeds between sections.  Perhaps ADAC standardisation would be good on the cars taking part?

Still can't complain they test the cars and we buy them happily

[volkswizard]

The Golf CSS has a disclaimer in the video, that its not meeting EU reg 1999/94/eu on emissions as its not for sale, so who knows what the fuel map was set to.

This is pretty innocent and I think it's VW being a bit touchy following the emissions crisis.
I drove a pre-production Q2 and it said the same thing in all the literature. 
They don't test them for Co2 right until the car is 100% finalised as they would have to retest them again if there were any changes.
Having said that it would be a good chance to mess around with the map 

[clubsport]

ViperGTS, on the colour of the cage?

It's not such an easy call.......

In a white car a black cage, looks aftermarket and would look discrete, you would have to be close to the car to notice.
Having said that unusually on a CS-S it may work in contrast to the black roof?

Red, goes with the GTi signature theme, matches calipers and grill stripe etc...

However, I would paint the cage in body colour white, even though it is a bolt in, it looks more integrated with the car body shell and less aftermarket, also not quite as glaringly obvious as a red cage stuck in the back.

As I said, no obvious answer and red harnesses are a must anyway, red harness on a white cage, has a hint of 996 GT3 RS about it?

[vipergts]

ViperGTS, on the colour of the cage?

It's not such an easy call.......

In a white car a black cage, looks aftermarket and would look discrete, you would have to be close to the car to notice.
Having said that unusually on a CS-S it may work in contrast to the black roof?

Red, goes with the GTi signature theme, matches calipers and grill stripe etc...

However, I would paint the cage in body colour white, even though it is a bolt in, it looks more integrated with the car body shell and less aftermarket, also not quite as glaringly obvious as a red cage stuck in the back.

As I said, no obvious answer and red harnesses are a must anyway, red harness on a white cage, has a hint of 996 GT3 RS about it?

I considered a white cage as in body colour but think this only really works when the car is stripped out and forms part of the whole body colour floors etc

[GT4]

My thoughts regarding the cage ... Adds more weight yet greater rigidity ..?! Adding more weight would have therefore meant the intervention of CCBrakes to mitigate weight gain, therefore adding huge cost to retail price point?! This is a Golf GT3 not a Porsche GT3 at over £130k - everything has to be done with overall pricing taken into consideration and at £34k that is approx 25% of the cost of a GT3 ... Secondly, does the car need a cage "No" the idea of the CS-S and the Golf GTi culture is useable daily performance and adding that level of rigidity would then need revised suspension, tyres and the whole beauty and design brief of the CS-S is the soft damping for Nurburg and English B road Tarmac, too much rigidity wold see the car bounce round corners, add to that FWD and you have a nightmare car on the edge round a bumpy corner, exactly what we have here in the UK .... VW have thought long and hard about this car and what values it needs to have and what goals and expectations it needs to cater for, all with a limited 400 build and a £34k price tag .... "Brilliant" 

The car is great first and foremost but I would disagree a little

Adding a 12kg rear cage wouldn't mean CCB were required,  Why would you think that?  the heavier R (100kg) doens't need CCB's so why would a 12kg cage require the car to need them? The cage would add atmosphere or theatre to the car which as limited Edition is pretty mandatory. We know rear cages aren't required or needed but the Trophy R or R26R looks all the better for them imo. A cage won't make it too rigid either, unless you weld it in at multiple points and then it wouldn't be a half cage (which is all that is required).  Adding to the already rigid shell (compared to other hatches) wouldn't require revisions to tyres or suspension.

The CS practicality and "usable golf" is gone or reduced the moment you take a golf and remove the rear seats, so why not go all the way and cage it?  It did the lap time with the cage, so why not?   Its not like people are sitting in the back area?  The bar fitted with the net is too high up to tie the rear mounts together so it serves little structural purpose i guess.

I think they could have made a couple of small changes: For 2k like Brembo's, the Ring time half cage in red perhaps? This would add to the look, which after all is what this limited run hot hatch is all about imo and also allow users to fit harnesses.

But like always the bean counters get involved...

Jack

I agree with your points but that car would cost £45k ... at the end of the day - VW could map it to 400 Bhp put in a cage, add ceramic brakes but it would change the whole concept of a VW Golf ... They have to stay within a design concept and brief and who would pay £45k for a Golf ... Also, the R&D required would be crazy ... VW are not Porsche with a GT department to my knowledge ..?!

Andrew