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Offline Mk1Mad J - 16v

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Re: Driving the 16v!
« Reply #10 on: 22 May 2006, 16:15 »
I heard the 16v is just as strong as the 8v in low revs (i.e. under 4k)  they just feel lower powered as they're so much smoother - I haven't actually seen any dyno-sheets to proove this though :smiley:

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Re: Driving the 16v!
« Reply #11 on: 22 May 2006, 20:11 »
correct. 16v never has less torque than an 8v across the whole rev range - although alot depends on the state of your own engine!!

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Re: Driving the 16v!
« Reply #12 on: 22 May 2006, 20:14 »
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Re: Driving the 16v!
« Reply #13 on: 22 May 2006, 20:42 »
well ive been driveing mine for a day now and ive never had so much fun, 4500 is my point of grin and i also get a semi point of grin at around 2500 too which is cool, i just accelarated to 90 from 70 up a steep hill that i useually cant even hold 80 on! great fun

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Re: Driving the 16v!
« Reply #14 on: 22 May 2006, 21:15 »
correct. 16v never has less torque than an 8v across the whole rev range - although alot depends on the state of your own engine!!
As said but max torque 114 ft.lb of 8v is @ 3000rpm, so thats where it feels good, The 16v max torque of 124ft.lb is @ 4400rpm, hence feels good up there, however the torque of the 16v at 3000rpm is 118ft.lb which is only 3.5% higher than the 8v but the kerb weight of the standard 16v is 8% higher so on a torque/weight basis the 16v is 4.5% down on the 8v at 3000rpm. It does not sound like very much but down is down and it does'nt make up this defecit until about 4000rpm as the 8v torque drops off and the 16v torque starts to peak. The engine torque is only a guide as the gearbox ratios are a bit different and its the torque actually applied at the driveshafts which gives accelleration. In 'normal' day to day driving a petrol engine works between 1500 and 3500rpm which is right in the 8v maximum torque band which is why it feels so good, you never really find the 4400 in a 16v until you are in the open and can give it a bit, so its always feels a bit in the doldrums compared with the 8v in the normal 'pottering' driving rev band.  :wink:  Please lets not start another 8v vs 16v thing....

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Re: Driving the 16v!
« Reply #15 on: 22 May 2006, 21:20 »
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Re: Driving the 16v!
« Reply #16 on: 22 May 2006, 21:29 »
correct. 16v never has less torque than an 8v across the whole rev range - although alot depends on the state of your own engine!!
As said but max torque 114 ft.lb of 8v is @ 3000rpm, so thats where it feels good, The 16v max torque of 124ft.lb is @ 4400rpm, hence feels good up there, however the torque of the 16v at 3000rpm is 118ft.lb which is only 3.5% higher than the 8v but the kerb weight of the standard 16v is 8% higher so on a torque/weight basis the 16v is 4.5% down on the 8v at 3000rpm. It does not sound like very much but down is down and it does'nt make up this defecit until about 4000rpm as the 8v torque drops off and the 16v torque starts to peak. The engine torque is only a guide as the gearbox ratios are a bit different and its the torque actually applied at the driveshafts which gives accelleration. In 'normal' day to day driving a petrol engine works between 1500 and 3500rpm which is right in the 8v maximum torque band which is why it feels so good, you never really find the 4400 in a 16v until you are in the open and can give it a bit, so its always feels a bit in the doldrums compared with the 8v in the normal 'pottering' driving rev band.  :wink:  Please lets not start another 8v vs 16v thing....

 :grin: thats all a load of blah blah blah when you stick the engine in a mk1  :laugh:

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Re: Driving the 16v!
« Reply #17 on: 22 May 2006, 21:31 »
oh please do and let me flex my deleting finger. :smug: :smug:

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Re: Driving the 16v!
« Reply #18 on: 22 May 2006, 21:33 »
Regarding the exhaust question - my 16V has a full scorpion system running in conjunction with a piper panel filter and original airbox. It's torquey as hell - I would say very nearly as torquey as the 8Vs I have driven and torquier by far than any VTI/Type-R cars I've owned.  Then you hit 4000 rpm and get the power as well. Definitely pick up a decent exhaust - the look and noise are just a bonus.

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Re: Driving the 16v!
« Reply #19 on: 22 May 2006, 22:58 »
i agree about the normal pottering around driveing, mine does seem abit guttless if i decide to floor it, if i want it to go somewhere i have to drop a gear to get the revs up, which is fine cause it feels cool anyway  :cool: