Author Topic: Driver engine just died want to convert to GTI 16v - can it be done, How?  (Read 2781 times)

Offline Wayne

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YYeerr :shocked:

Alfasud!!! - she's a beauty.  There's no welding ever been done on this one, and it's 99.9% rot free  It's got genuine 25K on clock with full histry file and a sweet gearbox no crunches in second.  It has the Uber rare alfastyl bodykit, which Alfa Romeo teams use in the supercharged 1.7 suds in the class B racing in the 1980's.  She also has Autodelta high lifting cams and full stainless racing exhaust.   It also is rare, because Alfa Romeo UK ran out of Alfasud stock in February 1984 and this one was registered in July 1984 so was just about the last sold anywhere in the country.

The best thing is about owning a sud is this.  I can park up anywahere in the UK, and I will never see another one go by, however there never a shortage of blokes coming over saying they owned one when they we young and asking to buy it.  Money can't buy that feeling of exclusivity.  That's because there are only 36 suds left in UK

This is the wrong forum, so nuff said.

Curious to know where you got that number from? VOSA shows that 89 went through their MOT in 2007, so that's a hell of a drop in 2/3 years.

I suspect they rusted away, shocking how they used to build them to be honest.

Offline jezza16v

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 ^ It wasn't that they built them so badly it was the steel sheet they used. I believe that they used Russian steel which had a very high carbon content and was very poor quality. I remember trying to rub down the the tailgate on my GTV with wet & dry to get rid of the rust and if you didn't dry the water off within 60sec a film of rust would form. You don't get that on a VW, although I think mk1 Scirocco's were quite bad.

Offline Wayne

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^ It wasn't that they built them so badly it was the steel sheet they used. I believe that they used Russian steel which had a very high carbon content and was very poor quality. I remember trying to rub down the the tailgate on my GTV with wet & dry to get rid of the rust and if you didn't dry the water off within 60sec a film of rust would form. You don't get that on a VW, although I think mk1 Scirocco's were quite bad.

I remember reading somewhere they used to leave the unpainted bodies outside which was near the sea.

Offline Diamond Hell

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It was the Russian steel wot did it.

That's because there are only 36 suds left in UK

Curious to know where you got that number from? VOSA shows that 89 went through their MOT in 2007, so that's a hell of a drop in 2/3 years.

Actually I think the total dataset for 'Suds is 165 cars - passes + fails.  The data isn't very well explained in the sheet.
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Offline Saskatoon

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I am only quoting what the Alfasud owners club say.  They have many experts in these cars.  The number which VOSA quote will also include Alfasud Sprints which are totally different cars and the run of Alfasuds across 3 series runs. Series 1 - the classic shape, the Series 2 - more modern shape with oblong headlights - then the series 3 - modern shape with twin headlights again.  |For the Sprint the Series 1 and Series 2, which then led onto the Alfa 33 - for which there is approximately 100 or so road worthy cars left.  Amazingly another car I own a few years back a Renault Gordini Turbo there are also less than 100 left in the UK - and the experts also rekon the Renault 5 in all it's guises is the rarest car "In the world today."

As for the rusting away and manufacture, they were no different to British Leylands manufacturing process.  Them comunist in the midlands gave as much love in building them as the Italians, which was very little.  There used to be airfields full of Rover SD1's and Princesses, and Montego's, before they were sold most of the cars had to be resprayed again because they were rusting away and new and unregistered.  They rekon most Alfasud were rotten beyond repair within 3 years from being new - the same thing happened the Lancia Betas - which killed the company off.

The Alfasud plant in the south of Italy which is where "sud" comes from was a Government social rejuvenation programme to get people working and off their equivelent of the dole.  Of course the people didn't give a flying cluck about the quality.  The metal was not the only problem back then, but must have been a major factor.  The other problems back then were the technology we take for granted now was not invented.  When we look back in 30 years from now, we will think the cars we drive now were shoddy I'm sure.  They did not galvanize the metal in the same way and the processes of assembly was far different and corners were cut in quality inspection.  The paint technology was also much less advance to todays chemical makeup.

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Offline fishnchipsx2

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Actually I think the total dataset for 'Suds is 165 cars - passes + fails.  The data isn't very well explained in the sheet.

I expect that most (not all, but most) of the cars that failed a test in 2007, would have then later passed a re-test.  I'm guessing that this would have been recorded in the aforementioned dataset as 1 fail, and 1 pass.

Furthermore, some may have failed numerous tests... so I reckon that the data makes it look like there's a lot more cars on the road than there actually are.  :smiley:
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Offline Saskatoon

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I think I have solved my engine problem anyway.  I have replace a core plug on the inlet manifold.  I will just keep it as a Golf Driver and sell it during the year to a kiddy, as it's much cheaper to insure than a gti I only paid £185 fully comp.  This driver bassically looks like a gti and is what it is.

I am not really into racing off from traffic lights anyway - done all that when I was 17 Yeh this 1.6 driver engine is gutless, but it goes and stops and looks nice.  I got the Octavia RS sat out the front if I want a turn of speed
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