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Hi Andy,

Apparently this is all Golf’s apart from the edition 50. But, if you’re an existing Vw finance customer, or have been in the past 12 months, you get a £1000 deposit contribution on the 50.

Issue cured, water has rusted the relay out,

Quote from: WelshGolf on Today at 09:49

I've had both, 8 was on a 22 plate and the 8.5 on a 24 plate. No problem with either.

Apart from visual tweeks mentioned above there were mechanical tweeks as well. 8.5 feels a tiny bit sharper and more responsive. Can't remember what they did though.

I think flipflops was looking at pre-facelift cars only (2020 - early 2024) but the extra response in the 8.5 is the antilag which was first used in the Anniversary 8R 333. That model is the only mk8 that had the feature but since adopted into 8.5 performance models.

ah yes my bad, didn't read it properly

I've had both, 8 was on a 22 plate and the 8.5 on a 24 plate. No problem with either.

Apart from visual tweeks mentioned above there were mechanical tweeks as well. 8.5 feels a tiny bit sharper and more responsive. Can't remember what they did though.

The 5F (infotainment controller) is just the bit you can easily get a version number from... There are something like twenty plus other control units that make up the car.

The problems are all to do with the interactions between them all.

One of the issues is that the initial software was created using the assumption that the other components it was going to talk to were one specific version... When even as they were writing it were changing. Changed many times before all of the bits were joined up in a single finished car.

Some day someone will no doubt write a book about this as its an epic story of hubris, self delusion, denial and the most diabolical customer care in modern times. It goes far beyond just the golf too.

Probably lucky for vw that the whole industry took a whack from first covid then the Ukraine war otherwise vw would have stood out as a disaster area that could be avoided. As it is they took a significant market share reduction.