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Model specific boards => Golf mk5 => Topic started by: sixpot on 06 December 2008, 17:58
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Has anyone heard of/used them?
http://www.hyperchips.co.uk/
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If you are thinking of getting your car mapped I am getting mine down with a few of the chaps from the MK4 section by R-Tech on 17th this month at a reduced price due to it being a group buy. If your interested PM me.
Cookie got his done at the weekend by them and so far so good.
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Has anyone heard of/used them?
http://www.hyperchips.co.uk/
Wouldn't touch them with a barge pole :grin:. Of course, this is not a reflection on their product, but I would only trust my car with one of the established and reliable tuners i.e. Revo, Oettinger or APR. The rest can just talk to the hand. :evil:
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Has anyone heard of/used them?
http://www.hyperchips.co.uk/
Wouldn't touch them with a barge pole :grin:. Of course, this is not a reflection on their product, but I would only trust my car with one of the established and reliable tuners i.e. Revo, Oettinger or APR. The rest can just talk to the hand. :evil:
x2 - use a tuner who is accustom to the capabilities of the TFSI / VAG group engines. Hyperchips look more like a universal software company.
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I agree with what you are saying guys, in that the usual suspects are going to be better in regards to customer service, quality of end product etc.. but the re-map is not for my car, it is for someone else who is looking into using them, the rep has promised a full money back guarantee if not 100% happy, and he seems to know his stuff.
Thing is with a wad of cash waved in front of his nose the price is sub £250 which is half the cost of the big players, so with the guarantee I think we'll go ahead and see what happens.
From doing a little bit of research the company has a multi-million pound backing, so I don't think they are a fly-by-night set up, but some power graphs on the site wouldn't go amiss, so you could see the before and afters.
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Love their claimed 'increase' for the ED30 :grin:
Power increases from 230 bhp to 65 bhp
Okay so it's a typo.. but they also claim to get 265bhp from the standard k03 GTI :rolleyes:
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Well, its good that we have a guinea pig test car... however, although he may see nice power increases etc... I would still have question marks medium to long term - assuming he wants to keep the car for a while - because it might go like stink for a while, but then you may see issues later due to these lot not being experienced with the Golf GTI. Saying that though, 265BHP for a Ed30 after a Stage 1 remap seems very conservative so they may be playing it safe until they get more experience. If thats the case, then they might not be so bad after all, but then they aren't giving what other tuners can offer on an Ed30 which is 290-300+ bhp.
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You could ask about them in the remaps section, Nick from Rtech or John from DNA might know something about them and if they use their own maps or just buy them from somewhere else and flash them to your car.
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Right, I've just been to their site. I think the line, 'you get what you pay for' comes to mind. As Topher says, they claim the same increase in bhp for both the Golf GTI and Edition 30, but there are other things that really got me thinking, these people are playing fast and loose...
1. No attention to detail on their website... they've got a pic of the Golf W12 Concept car from last year with the caption 'Golf GTI' where they claim to increase the GTI's power from 140bhp to 185bhp???! WTF :angry: and another where they seem to think that the a picture of a silver Golf GTI with a clear front shot showing the grill saying GTI - the caption however says Golf GT :grin: OK, I thought maybe they have communication problem with the web designers and maybe the product is ok... so I went to have a look at their claims for the R32.
2. They seem to think the Mk5 R32 produces 241bhp?! Its the Mk4 that has 241bhp - the Mk5 has a factory output of 250bhp. By now I'm thinking that these guys are talking out of their backsides because they claim that their chip gives the R32 261bhp - an increase of 20bhp on a NA car? I don't think so. I have read countless posts and spoken to Revo and a remap can only produce VERY limited bhp increases. You might be able to get 10-15bhp if you combine a remap with bolt-on mods, but then its debatable as to what is actually giving that increase in power. But 20 bhp with a remap? I bet they believe in Santa and the Christmas Fairy too.
3. The final warning sign for me was that they either offer to post you this chip - a big no-no and one of the reasons why TT doesn't like Superchips and their Bluefin product (amongst many others and I have to say, I think he is right about them) or some 'engineer' comes round and fits it for you - without a RR and proper diagnostics like checking your car FIRST before the remap to highlight any possible issues and then tweaking the settings to obtain an optimal setting for your car.
Conclusion: I would strongly advise your friend to stay away. Heck, if he doesn't want to spend too much, get the Superchips Bluefin from JKM - they have a special offer on at the moment and I think its a sub £300 price. Although I wouldn't use them, I would take them over Hypercr8p anyday.
Where's TT anyone :grin: :grin: :grin:
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You could ask about them in the remaps section, Nick from Rtech or John from DNA might know something about them and if they use their own maps or just buy them from somewhere else and flash them to your car.
I personally don't know them and I'm the Admin over two forums for tuners specifically, scanning over their website they claim to be the only people in the UK that can do EDC17 Ecu's which is inaccurate, any "tuner" using CMD, Optican or FRC SPI can do EDC17 and there's quite a few of those in the UK. A majority of tuners buy in their tuning thankfully :)
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Right, I've just been to their site. I think the line, 'you get what you pay for' comes to mind. As Topher says, they claim the same increase in bhp for both the Golf GTI and Edition 30, but there are other things that really got me thinking, these people are playing fast and loose...
1. No attention to detail on their website... they've got a pic of the Golf W12 Concept car from last year with the caption 'Golf GTI' where they claim to increase the GTI's power from 140bhp to 185bhp???! WTF :angry: and another where they seem to think that the a picture of a silver Golf GTI with a clear front shot showing the grill saying GTI - the caption however says Golf GT :grin: OK, I thought maybe they have communication problem with the web designers and maybe the product is ok... so I went to have a look at their claims for the R32.
2. They seem to think the Mk5 R32 produces 241bhp?! Its the Mk4 that has 241bhp - the Mk5 has a factory output of 250bhp. By now I'm thinking that these guys are talking out of their backsides because they claim that their chip gives the R32 261bhp - an increase of 20bhp on a NA car? I don't think so. I have read countless posts and spoken to Revo and a remap can only produce VERY limited bhp increases. You might be able to get 10-15bhp if you combine a remap with bolt-on mods, but then its debatable as to what is actually giving that increase in power. But 20 bhp with a remap? I bet they believe in Santa and the Christmas Fairy too.
3. The final warning sign for me was that they either offer to post you this chip - a big no-no and one of the reasons why TT doesn't like Superchips and their Bluefin product (amongst many others and I have to say, I think he is right about them) or some 'engineer' comes round and fits it for you - without a RR and proper diagnostics like checking your car FIRST before the remap to highlight any possible issues and then tweaking the settings to obtain an optimal setting for your car.
Conclusion: I would strongly advise your friend to stay away. Heck, if he doesn't want to spend too much, get the Superchips Bluefin from JKM - they have a special offer on at the moment and I think its a sub £300 price. Although I wouldn't use them, I would take them over Hypercr8p anyday.
Where's TT anyone :grin: :grin: :grin:
Some of the non performance orientated NA models you can get +20bhp from as from the factory their mapping is more conservative, but yeah not all.
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Now now illyun .. we don't know anything about these guys yet :grin: , they could be very good. The point of my post above is that a lot of 'tuning companies' these days simply have a universal obd remapping tool for which they can buy batches of maps for standard cars. If it's one of those then the chances are the person flashing your ecu has no idea about your car (or anyone elses) other than how to connect to the obd port and click 'upload map'. Or you might get lucky and have an engineer/technician who actually knows what he's doing and is fully equipped with knowledge of scanning for faults etc and will really look after your car. The thing is you just won't know until someone finds out for themselves.
A great example of this would be Rtech.. noone on here had heard of them last year but I paid them a visit to see what they were all about. They've now overtaken REVO as the most popular tuner among the mk4s on here and have amazing feedback. The book/cover rule firmly applies imo!
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Now now illyun .. we don't know anything about these guys yet :grin: , they could be very good.
I agreed.. before visiting their website. They aren't doing any favours for themselves with their mistakes and dubious unqualified claims.... I think I was rather easy on them. TT on the other hand.... :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin:
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Now now illyun .. we don't know anything about these guys yet :grin: , they could be very good. The point of my post above is that a lot of 'tuning companies' these days simply have a universal obd remapping tool for which they can buy batches of maps for standard cars. If it's one of those then the chances are the person flashing your ecu has no idea about your car (or anyone elses) other than how to connect to the obd port and click 'upload map'. Or you might get lucky and have an engineer/technician who actually knows what he's doing and is fully equipped with knowledge of scanning for faults etc and will really look after your car. The thing is you just won't know until someone finds out for themselves.
A great example of this would be Rtech.. noone on here had heard of them last year but I paid them a visit to see what they were all about. They've now overtaken REVO as the most popular tuner among the mk4s on here and have amazing feedback. The book/cover rule firmly applies imo!
fully agree with all of that and i was of the same opinion until earlier this year
having now met Nick on several occasions i cannot praise him enough as he has transformed my TDi :cool:
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I agree the website is rather offputting, but that could just be an incompetent webmaster letting the side down
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Now now illyun .. we don't know anything about these guys yet :grin: , they could be very good. The point of my post above is that a lot of 'tuning companies' these days simply have a universal obd remapping tool for which they can buy batches of maps for standard cars. If it's one of those then the chances are the person flashing your ecu has no idea about your car (or anyone elses) other than how to connect to the obd port and click 'upload map'. Or you might get lucky and have an engineer/technician who actually knows what he's doing and is fully equipped with knowledge of scanning for faults etc and will really look after your car. The thing is you just won't know until someone finds out for themselves.
A great example of this would be Rtech.. noone on here had heard of them last year but I paid them a visit to see what they were all about. They've now overtaken REVO as the most popular tuner among the mk4s on here and have amazing feedback. The book/cover rule firmly applies imo!
fully agree with all of that and i was of the same opinion until earlier this year
having now met Nick on several occasions i cannot praise him enough as he has transformed my TDi :cool:
Is Nick from Hyperchips? If not, then I still wouldn't go near them on the off-chance that they might have a good engineer. Why would anyone want to take a chance with their expensive car?
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No, Nick is the man from R-Tech.
I agree with what your saying illyun, Id never be the geuni pig. Only reason Im going with Rtech is the reviews and the great price they are offering. But someone had to try them in the first place, I just rather it wasnt me :D
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Is Nick from Hyperchips? If not, then I still wouldn't go near them on the off-chance that they might have a good engineer. Why would anyone want to take a chance with their expensive car?
urm Nick is from R-Tech - maybe if you had read the posts in the other sections you might have seen me raving about the map :tongue: :laugh: :kiss:
ask Dan (Cookiemonster) about his GTI :wink:
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No, Nick is the man from R-Tech.
I agree with what your saying illyun, Id never be the geuni pig. Only reason Im going with Rtech is the reviews and the great price they are offering. But someone had to try them in the first place, I just rather it wasnt me :D
I've only heard good things about RTech myself so this is definetly not directed at them :wink: Just that a company with a shoddy website full of mistakes and dubious claims should me more than enough for anyone to steer well clear. The offer at £250 in light of what I have said isn't a good deal at all... go with Superchips @ JKM fror that much.
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I agree with what you are saying guys, in that the usual suspects are going to be better in regards to customer service, quality of end product etc.. but the re-map is not for my car, it is for someone else who is looking into using them, the rep has promised a full money back guarantee if not 100% happy, and he seems to know his stuff.
Thing is with a wad of cash waved in front of his nose the price is sub £250 which is half the cost of the big players, so with the guarantee I think we'll go ahead and see what happens.
From doing a little bit of research the company has a multi-million pound backing, so I don't think they are a fly-by-night set up, but some power graphs on the site wouldn't go amiss, so you could see the before and afters.
What exactly does this define???? I think that's an absolutely meaningless comment, and not valid at all.
Ok, so the nature of their product is to add performance, and the nature of a customer enquiry is to add performance...great, a match with customer needs and service provided! This automatically suggests that you're going to be happy! If the car goes faster as a result, you will be happy. So they won't be giving you a refund!
Furthermore...you won't have a clue if it's doing any long-term damage to the car. So you could still be 'happy' whilst it is f*cking up your fuel pump, or such like....
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Furthermore...you won't have a clue if it's doing any long-term damage to the car. So you could still be 'happy' whilst it is f*cking up your fuel pump, or such like....
Thats exactly why I am so sceptical about them.. plus the fact that the number of mistakes on their website and their method of tuning doesn't inspire confidence.
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Sounds like a slave tuner to me who buys files in from a generic master suppy, which aint too bad in most cases, but do they have a PC back ground or car tuning background?
There are lots of tuners out there who used to be or still are computer geeks ( :wink: )and aint got a clue what a MAF is or what boost the remap should run at, what fuel to air ratios should be and knock sensor is.
Any one can buy a mapped file and remap a car, just look on ebay for KWP2000.
If the guy has a automotive back ground he can flash the remap and make sure the car is 100% before taking money and sending you on your way. If there is a fault with the car and it is not found the remap could cause even more damage.
To find a good tuner you need to ask the right questions, like "Have you had any problmes with cars after the remap" a good tuner should say "YES" " The rubber in the DV can split and cause boost issues, so I sugest an uprated DV from Forge" or "The coil packs and MAF could become an issue after a remap" Or even ask about stage 2 remapping.
I tell all my customers to be prepared to issues after the remap, and I can name every bloody one of them..lol I some times spend over 1 hour on the phone to my customers explaining about remapping and past problems which DO crop up after remapping.
If your not 100% confident with the company then look else where.
Nick
R-Tech
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To find a good tuner say Beetlejuice three times!
No seriously see if they're listed on EVC's website to see if they're using a genuine copy of the industry standard software WinOLS ver1.7 and ask them what a functionsrahmen is and how bored they get translating German all the time! :)
There are a lot of tuners out there these days, not like it used to be ages ago, I supply a lot big and small tuners or resellers. So branding usually is little more than just that, but still there are bad big and small so it is a minefield out there, the best website doesn't mean the best software, that just means you're a sucker for advertising, my own website needs loads updating but I don't get the time as I'm doing everyone elses stage 1, 2 and custom stuff all day long, for example today been developing on a big turbo conversion on the KTM X-bow, an S3 with a GT28RS, an EDC17 BMW 120D stage 1, a TTS 2.0TFSI stage 1 for my local Audi dealer, a T5 tdi, etc etc etc, all except one were for other "tuners" 99% out there are resellers.
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I agree with what you are saying guys, in that the usual suspects are going to be better in regards to customer service, quality of end product etc.. but the re-map is not for my car, it is for someone else who is looking into using them, the rep has promised a full money back guarantee if not 100% happy, and he seems to know his stuff.
Thing is with a wad of cash waved in front of his nose the price is sub £250 which is half the cost of the big players, so with the guarantee I think we'll go ahead and see what happens.
From doing a little bit of research the company has a multi-million pound backing, so I don't think they are a fly-by-night set up, but some power graphs on the site wouldn't go amiss, so you could see the before and afters.
What exactly does this define???? I think that's an absolutely meaningless comment, and not valid at all.
Ok, so the nature of their product is to add performance, and the nature of a customer enquiry is to add performance...great, a match with customer needs and service provided! This automatically suggests that you're going to be happy! If the car goes faster as a result, you will be happy. So they won't be giving you a refund!
Furthermore...you won't have a clue if it's doing any long-term damage to the car. So you could still be 'happy' whilst it is f*cking up your fuel pump, or such like....
Thanks for the input, your comments are somewhat confusing, as I only quoted what the guy said and yet you come down on me like a ton of bricks?
I merely started the thread to see if anyone had experience of the company, and I don't need people like you ranting about problems that may arise, as I am well aware of this. I've had quite a lot of experience of the various 'chip tuning' companies over the years and was just looking for feedback on a company which I had no previous experience of.
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I agree with what you are saying guys, in that the usual suspects are going to be better in regards to customer service, quality of end product etc.. but the re-map is not for my car, it is for someone else who is looking into using them, the rep has promised a full money back guarantee if not 100% happy, and he seems to know his stuff.
Thing is with a wad of cash waved in front of his nose the price is sub £250 which is half the cost of the big players, so with the guarantee I think we'll go ahead and see what happens.
From doing a little bit of research the company has a multi-million pound backing, so I don't think they are a fly-by-night set up, but some power graphs on the site wouldn't go amiss, so you could see the before and afters.
What exactly does this define???? I think that's an absolutely meaningless comment, and not valid at all.
Ok, so the nature of their product is to add performance, and the nature of a customer enquiry is to add performance...great, a match with customer needs and service provided! This automatically suggests that you're going to be happy! If the car goes faster as a result, you will be happy. So they won't be giving you a refund!
Furthermore...you won't have a clue if it's doing any long-term damage to the car. So you could still be 'happy' whilst it is f*cking up your fuel pump, or such like....
Thanks for the input, your comments are somewhat confusing, as I only quoted what the guy said and yet you come down on me like a ton of bricks?
I merely started the thread to see if anyone had experience of the company, and I don't need people like you ranting about problems that may arise, as I am well aware of this. I've had quite a lot of experience of the various 'chip tuning' companies over the years and was just looking for feedback on a company which I had no previous experience of.
I don't think anyone was having a go at you Sixpot, although reading the quote above, I can understand where you're coming from but I honestly don't think it was aimed at you. I think WhiteGTI was just shocked at how this company is presenting itself - if its new, it should make 100% sure that it doesn't appear complacent or amateurish in anyway... As for feedback, I think you've got plenty :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: If your friend does go ahead, it would be interesting to read about his experience, although again, I would never give my car to them.
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I agree with what you are saying guys, in that the usual suspects are going to be better in regards to customer service, quality of end product etc.. but the re-map is not for my car, it is for someone else who is looking into using them, the rep has promised a full money back guarantee if not 100% happy, and he seems to know his stuff.
Thing is with a wad of cash waved in front of his nose the price is sub £250 which is half the cost of the big players, so with the guarantee I think we'll go ahead and see what happens.
From doing a little bit of research the company has a multi-million pound backing, so I don't think they are a fly-by-night set up, but some power graphs on the site wouldn't go amiss, so you could see the before and afters.
What exactly does this define???? I think that's an absolutely meaningless comment, and not valid at all.
Ok, so the nature of their product is to add performance, and the nature of a customer enquiry is to add performance...great, a match with customer needs and service provided! This automatically suggests that you're going to be happy! If the car goes faster as a result, you will be happy. So they won't be giving you a refund!
Furthermore...you won't have a clue if it's doing any long-term damage to the car. So you could still be 'happy' whilst it is f*cking up your fuel pump, or such like....
Thanks for the input, your comments are somewhat confusing, as I only quoted what the guy said and yet you come down on me like a ton of bricks?
I merely started the thread to see if anyone had experience of the company, and I don't need people like you ranting about problems that may arise, as I am well aware of this. I've had quite a lot of experience of the various 'chip tuning' companies over the years and was just looking for feedback on a company which I had no previous experience of.
I don't think anyone was having a go at you Sixpot, although reading the quote above, I can understand where you're coming from but I honestly don't think it was aimed at you. I think WhiteGTI was just shocked at how this company is presenting itself - if its new, it should make 100% sure that it doesn't appear complacent or amateurish in anyway... As for feedback, I think you've got plenty :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: If your friend does go ahead, it would be interesting to read about his experience, although again, I would never give my car to them.
Lol, oh the joys of trying to interpret written speech! It never seems to come out right!
Apologies if you feel that way sixpot, my comment was merely aimed at the somewhat vague response of the hyperchips rep. Maybe I shouldn't have used the word 'you' in my reply, and replaced it with 'one', as it had no direct relevance to the actions of yourself.
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I personally hate sales people in general as they all have preprepared lines and no morales whatsoever, what is currently happening in the tuning industry is there is a mass of new companies springing up all based on buying in and reselling tuning like it was a white good. Although I can't really complain as it keeps me busy!