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Model specific boards => Golf mk5 => Topic started by: gazbutmk5gti on 26 October 2008, 18:07
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Sorry for the delay fellas bin busy drinkin wine and walking dogs :smiley:
Name Car Spec Predicted Actual
JoesGti Mk5 GTi man Forge DV, Carbonio, Remap 245bhp 251bhp-282ft/lbs
Hurdy Mk5 ED30 dsg Forge I/C, HPFP, Milltek TBE 330bhp 362bhp-402ft/lbs
Forge DV, Custom Code Map
Ste-LFC Cupra man Remap, Forge DV 300bhp 315bhp-342ft/lbs
MikebGTi Mk5 ED30 man Standard 229.5bhp 260bhp
Cohiba Mk5 ED30 man Forge DV, APR HPFP, APR Stg2 328bhp 267bhp
APR intercooler, APR exhaust
Bacillus Mk5 GTi man Forge DV, Revo, Carbonio, HPFP, 280bhp 313bhp-366ft/lbs
Milltek TBE, Forge I/C
MATED30 Mk5 ED30 man Forge DV, Revo, S3 I/C, 300bhp 301bhp I think
Milltek Cat-back
John o Mk5 ED30 man APR map 290bhp 317bhp-330ft/lbs
Me S3 man Revo, Milltek TBE, ITG filter 310bhp 328bhp-341ft/lbs
Luca Mk5 ED30 man Revo Stg2, ITG filter, 305bhp 330bhp-351ft/lbs
Milltek TBE, 2.75" DP
Leon S3 man GIAC map 120bhp :smiley: 310bhp-337ft/lbs
Mitch78 S3 man Standard ? 304bhp-316ft/lbs
Vtec Mk5 ED30 dsg Revo Stg2, Milltek TBE 320bhp 325bhp-364ft/lbs
2.75" DP 2nd run 373bhp-362ft/lbs :huh:
JamieKip S3 man GIAC map 315bhp 313bhp-302ft/lbs
EAGLE79 S3 man Standard 262bhp 291bhp-295ft/lbs
ZBOYD Leon Cupra man APR Stg2, APR HPFP, DBILAS, 305+bhp 334bhp-350ft/lbs
3" APR TBE, APR I/C
RobinA3 A3 2.0T Quattro Bluefin 235bhp 230bhp-270ft/lbs
Shaunthebeef Mk3 16v Induction kit, cat-back exhaust 150bhp 161bhp-144ft/lbs
Dom Punto Grande De-cat 130bhp 140bhp
As has already been discussed there are some strange results, mostly DSG cars, this could be down to the fact Prosports not experienced them much, alot of the cars make the figures you would expect, some don't. Make your own mind up :smiley:
It was a great day, but f@ckin freezing, Peter and his staff were more than welcoming, giving us free access to their premises and laying on a buffet and brew making facilities which a few more tuners could take note of when running RR days. Can't fault Peter for giving lads extra runs after setting changes with no extra charge, and he also commented on the standard of the turn out of the cars which he said was spot-on :smiley:
Was great to see the old faces and some new uns to, we raised 95 quid for charity which I'll round up to £100 and will be donating to the Macmillan nurses ASAP
So thanx again fellas
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Well done gaz, you organised a top day and peter was spot on.
Had a great day and was very happy with my figures :smiley:
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Sounds like a great day! Would love to meet some of you that are located in the Northern regions at some point!
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Basically as Gaz said :cool:
Just like to add a big thanks to Gaz for organising things between all the forums :smiley:
Once Prosport get a bit more experience of DSG, then I may go back :wink: . I think they may have to as quite a few makers are now starting their own versions. :drool:
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only pattern i can see is that nearly each car is ready 30bhp more then roughly where they should be.Im sure a stage 1 car with Ic/zorst would read 305-310 on a DD roller.
Just my opinion, dont shoot me for claiming it. :embarassed:. Cars with high ammounts of torque seem to be more inacurate,whereas a couple of cars
withless torque are reading more accurate. Comparing those Runners at JKM with their mods ,ok different maps but all add up to approx 30hp
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I said this in the other thread but could it be possible that after the audis had their 4awd dynos Peter forgot to switch the dyno to 2wd for Vtec's car?
Gaz check your PM please. :smiley:
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I said this in the other thread but could it be possible that after the audis had their 4awd dynos Peter forgot to switch the dyno to 2wd for Vtec's car?
good point Bacillus, your mods are about the same as vRStu had on his skoda octavia ,his was topping out at 270bhp.Not sure a K03 can get over 300??
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good point Bacillus, your mods are about the same as vRStu had on his skoda octavia ,his was topping out at 270bhp.Not sure a K03 can get over 300??
Actually Gaz stated result for me above is incorrect.
The actual numbers are 313bhp and 366ftlb.
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good point Bacillus, your mods are about the same as vRStu had on his skoda octavia ,his was topping out at 270bhp.Not sure a K03 can get over 300??
Actually Gaz stated result for me above is incorrect.
The actual numbers are 313bhp and 366ftlb.
:shocked: :shocked:
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Here is the nearest result I could find withsimilar mods to Bacllus on a RR
FR had Eurojet TBE, HPFP and custom intake (JBS's own) and don't know if it had an I/C at the time.
309bhp and 290lbft.
Going on this, the bhp could be right, but torque just seems too high.
If I han't heard that another car had managed 421lbft just a few days before, I would have instantly dismissed my result. As it was, I thought *just maybe right!* :laugh:
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LOL Gaz :grin:
My first run was 362bhp and 402lbft
My second run was 362bhp and 409lbft :wink:
I the other thread you mentioned that I would have claimed those figures if Ben hadn't thrown the spanner in! You are probably right - I would have, but wouldn't have been able to stop myself from putting afterwards one of these ....... :wink:
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yeah top notch Gaz , thanks .
Peter was very welcoming and happy to explain some things about the rolling road.
A great day , and certainly a place i would go back to.
bacillus , the last car to run was the punto which was on the money , so unlikely it was calibrated wrongly
also is your car DSG?
Phil , we all went wtf at bacillus's run :grin:
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Yup mine is dsg. :smiley:
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Steve(makefish) had more mods then Bacillus, and his has had over 100 Rolling road tests and was 280 bhp!!!, this 300+ from
a k03 is hard to believe.Either vRStu or Makefish would clarify ,between them they have done over 200 RR tests on DD rollers, and
others types aswell.
I nearly choked on my mouthfull of tea seeing it aswell John_o!
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Perhaps DD's rollers work well with DSG , perhaps conflicks in compatability with other types of rollers
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I the other thread you mentioned that I would have claimed those figures if Ben hadn't thrown the spanner in! You are probably right ....... :wink:
Sorry John, have I ruined everything..? :grin:
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This is JBS dyno of their k03 car with Custom-Code Pump Specific Software (C-C PSS) that Hurdy was talking about.
(http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m136/JBS_Auto_Designs/JBS-LEON-C-C-PSS.jpg)
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I think its just that Prosport need some time with a DSG car tbh thats all. i think the RR itself is good.
Subtract 30 brake from bacillus's figure and it becomes more 'realistic', and brings it to the level we would 'expect'
but who knows ! maybe we should all be buying std GTI's
vRStu , coming from the S3 angle , are you going onto JKM 's RR soon?
That allows verification from another route.
(i.e. do std S3's produce 265 or more from factory?)
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Flywheel horsepower???
This is JBS dyno of their k03 car with Custom-Code Pump Specific Software (C-C PSS) that Hurdy was talking about.
(http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m136/JBS_Auto_Designs/JBS-LEON-C-C-PSS.jpg)
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vRStu has put his S3 onsome 4 wheel drive rollers recently and that under-read factory bhp. Since he's now mapped and im sure he will treat his S3 to jkm as soon as the map settles in.
Best PM him john_o.
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Flywheel horsepower???
Yes
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Flywheel horsepower???
Yes
that would ring true as that would be around 290ish mark at the wheels.
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vRStu has put his S3 onsome 4 wheel drive rollers recently and that under-read factory bhp. Since he's now mapped and im sure he will treat his S3 to jkm as soon as the map settles in.
Best PM him john_o.
....JKM's DD rollers are only 2WD, not 4WD.
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vRStu has put his S3 onsome 4 wheel drive rollers recently and that under-read factory bhp. Since he's now mapped and im sure he will treat his S3 to jkm as soon as the map settles in.
Best PM him john_o.
....JKM's DD rollers are only 2WD, not 4WD.
it wasnt at JKM he ran it Robin :smiley:. he will be going down to jkm after his new map has settled.
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my figures are all strange apart from the stock one(bloody vw) :angry: prosport said mine needed driving after the map was put back on :rolleyes:. when i put it back on the rollers as soon as the map had been put back the torque had started to go up from 287lbft to 301lbft and was still going up, so i might take my car back to prosport and try there rollers again :undecided:. I can say it was a good day and was good to see people, also the guys at prosport are spot on :smiley: and Gaz also did a very good job sorting it all out for us all. :smiley:
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Just a short note from all at Prosport to say thanks for an enjoyable and interesting day.
Thanks also to Gaz for his organisation.
Hope to see all of you again in the future.
Have read that one or two of the figures seem a little 'out landish' and taking this on board, will have a chat with Peter tomorrow and get back to you.
In the mean time - take care
Cheers - Andy
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so i might take my car back to prosport and try there rollers again :undecided:.
I've found an issue with my car so if you're going back let me know when and maybe I'll go with you to see if there's some more hidden hp.
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so i might take my car back to prosport and try there rollers again :undecided:.
I've found an issue with my car so if you're going back let me know when and maybe I'll go with you to see if there's some more hidden hp.
ok will do and i am going to stick stage 2 on aswell :smiley:
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Evening guys
Pleas forgive my stupidity i do read most horse power threads but never really take anything on board. So forgive me my stupidity but how can this guys car produce 260bhp as standard :undecided: :shocked:
MikebGTi Mk5 ED30 man Standard 229.5bhp 260bhp
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Evening guys
Pleas forgive my stupidity i do read most horse power threads but never really take anything on board. So forgive me my stupidity but how can this guys car produce 260bhp as standard :undecided: :shocked:
MikebGTi Mk5 ED30 man Standard 229.5bhp 260bhp
mine did 264bhp in stock mode but i have other mods too
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Evening guys
Pleas forgive my stupidity i do read most horse power threads but never really take anything on board. So forgive me my stupidity but how can this guys car produce 260bhp as standard :undecided: :shocked:
MikebGTi Mk5 ED30 man Standard 229.5bhp 260bhp
mine did 264bhp in stock mode but i have other mods too
That didnt make things any clearer. :smiley:
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Just a short note from all at Prosport to say thanks for an enjoyable and interesting day.
Thanks also to Gaz for his organisation.
Hope to see all of you again in the future.
Have read that one or two of the figures seem a little 'out landish' and taking this on board, will have a chat with Peter tomorrow and get back to you.
In the mean time - take care
Cheers - Andy
cheers Andy, top day all round, little things like being able to make a brew make a massive difference, and some grub really helps :smiley:
I do think some of the 'strange' results were down to the dsg box, as a lot of the the other results were as as expected, one of the best RR days I've been to because of the friendly atmosphere so thanx again, and sure I'll see you soon :smiley:
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Evening guys
Pleas forgive my stupidity i do read most horse power threads but never really take anything on board. So forgive me my stupidity but how can this guys car produce 260bhp as standard :undecided: :shocked:
MikebGTi Mk5 ED30 man Standard 229.5bhp 260bhp
first iwould like to thank gaz for organizing a top day and thanks to the boys at prosport .
As for the power my car made i was as surprised as anyone i predicted it would do about 230 i got it from new its been run in properly always run on v-power but 260 i would say is 20 to 30 bhp over what it making need to get it on another dyno to find out
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If the Edition 30's are anything at all like Leon Cupra's which they are :wink:
They all make at least 260hp as stock, seen it all over the place so its not just restricted to Prosport.
Thanks Gary for the organising, Prosport lay on a friendly day and the figures on manual cars at least are pretty damn straight based on what i've seen.
I really under estimated my figures because I really didn't know what to expect, I knew it had done 316 last time and 305 at Awesome. Wasn't really looking for big figures on Saturday, just to see a change based on the fact I have added an APR IC and Dbilas intake in only the last few days.
Did some vagcom logging today and based on the runs I managed this afternoon the air mass indicates i'm pushing about 315-320hp but that's only a rough guide really. Back at Awesome next weekend with our SCN vs UKMKIVs event. I expect to see lower hp figures than Prosport based on the data I have seen before.
Overall though good day and friendly crowd, glad I tagged along. :smiley:
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relative numbers is one thing , absolute well thats another :wink:
My std ED30 running 99RON fuel has ran twice on different occasions at Awesome and posted 255 flywheel.
So I'm inclined to believe it as ballpark for a std car (for these dynos at least , JKM ran 237 for Phils so the absolute number is still in question as with all of these dyno results)
bacillus , you found an issue ! crikey youll be up at 350 bhp next :grin:
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If the Edition 30's are anything at all like Leon Cupra's which they are :wink:
They all make at least 260hp as stock, seen it all over the place so its not just restricted to Prosport.
....Are you claiming that all Ed30's make at least 260hp as stock?
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Nope i'm saying Leon Cupra's do, but they do share a great deal in common. :smug:
RR's are just tools at the end of the day, if your really really bothered about accuracy whip your engine out and attach it to a bench dyno.
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relative numbers is one thing , absolute well thats another :wink:
My std ED30 running 99RON fuel has ran twice on different occasions at Awesome and posted 255 flywheel.
So I'm inclined to believe it as ballpark for a std car (for these dynos at least , JKM ran 237 for Phils so the absolute number is still in question as with all of these dyno results)
bacillus , you found an issue ! crikey youll be up at 350 bhp next :grin:
Evening guys
Pleas forgive my stupidity i do read most horse power threads but never really take anything on board. So forgive me my stupidity but how can this guys car produce 260bhp as standard :undecided: :shocked:
MikebGTi Mk5 ED30 man Standard 229.5bhp 260bhp
mine did 264bhp in stock mode but i have other mods too
That didnt make things any clearer. :smiley:
My theory of them all reading 30bhp approx would come true.It would also make the DSG answer questionable aswell. Stock Ed30's DO NOT produce
260bhp!!!. Absolute Rubbish. I would think the same goes for the Cupra.After all its the same???
Golfgirls Ed30 was run and pulled 260bhp on a set of rollers at awesome was it?? cant remember, then came down south to JKM and produced .5bhp over
stock 227bhp!!!. running on BP 98 octane. Mine Ran 233bhp and then 236bhp on Vpower and then Tesco's 99 respectively.
http://www.jkm.org.uk/performance/Misc/Gallery/rollingroaddays/Golf%20GTi%20RR%20Day%202008/Dyno%20Charts/CLB.gif.
Now if thats not saying something??? .GolfGirl do you have the 1st RR graph??? so it can be compared??
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relative numbers is one thing , absolute well thats another :wink:
My std ED30 running 99RON fuel has ran twice on different occasions at Awesome and posted 255 flywheel.
So I'm inclined to believe it as ballpark for a std car (for these dynos at least , JKM ran 237 for Phils so the absolute number is still in question as with all of these dyno results)
bacillus , you found an issue ! crikey youll be up at 350 bhp next :grin:
Evening guys
Pleas forgive my stupidity i do read most horse power threads but never really take anything on board. So forgive me my stupidity but how can this guys car produce 260bhp as standard :undecided: :shocked:
MikebGTi Mk5 ED30 man Standard 229.5bhp 260bhp
mine did 264bhp in stock mode but i have other mods too
That didnt make things any clearer. :smiley:
My theory of them all reading 30bhp approx would come true.It would also make the DSG answer questionable aswell. Stock Ed30's DO NOT produce
260bhp!!!. Absolute Rubbish. I would think the same goes for the Cupra.After all its the same???
Golfgirls Ed30 was run and pulled 260bhp on a set of rollers at awesome was it?? cant remember, then came down south to JKM and produced .5bhp over
stock 227bhp!!!. running on BP 98 octane. Mine Ran 233bhp and then 236bhp on Vpower and then Tesco's 99 respectively.
http://www.jkm.org.uk/performance/Misc/Gallery/rollingroaddays/Golf%20GTi%20RR%20Day%202008/Dyno%20Charts/CLB.gif.
Now if thats not saying something??? .GolfGirl do you have the 1st RR graph??? so it can be compared??
Golf Girl's wasn't ran at Awesome Steve..
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One mans rubbish is anothers gold. :grin:
Only know what i've witnessed. On DD roads too. :rolleyes:
Maybe they give us a bit more power, we do get bigger brakes so we can stop. :wink:
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i cant remember where she had it run Ben, but was very interesting to see when that came up on the day at JKM.
Its in the fuel i tell ya ZBOYD!!, someone somewhere is tampering with your fuel supplys!!!. :grin:
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thanks to gaz and prosport for a good day :afro:
and i believe my figurs are correct, im going to run it again after i have fitted my s3 i/c and see the difference :smiley:
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this seems about right aswell on the ko3 side of things :smiley:
RobinA3 A3 2.0T Quattro Bluefin 235bhp 230bhp-270ft/lbs
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that one does look accurate. 230bhp remap from a k03 with no other mods is about right.
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i cant remember where she had it run Ben, but was very interesting to see when that came up on the day at JKM.
Its in the fuel i tell ya ZBOYD!!, someone somewhere is tampering with your fuel supplys!!!. :grin:
I only fill up with the very best rocket fuel. NASA Approved :smug:
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Nope i'm saying Leon Cupra's do, but they do share a great deal in common. :smug:
RR's are just tools at the end of the day, if your really really bothered about accuracy whip your engine out and attach it to a bench dyno.
....You probably haven't been on this forum long enough to realise that Driveability is what I'm all about and seek in a car and not who has the highest bhp.
Thankyou, I know that rolling-roads are just tools, and I also know that much is in the hands of the operator and it is their responsibility to be as accurate as possible whether it results in the numbers the customer wants to see or not.
No-one is challenging you personally as a witness but just questioning the resulting plotted numbers. Unfortunately it's not practical to whip our engines out for a bench dyno.
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Might be new on here, but i'm certainly not new to the foibles of RR's, their results and VAG modified motors. :wink: More importantly if i had a pound for every thread i've read on RR days that ends with folks chasing their tails over what is a lottery. I wouldn't need to buy a lotto ticket every week. :tongue:
Drivability isn't a problem in my case, my car isn't looking for the highest figures. Certainly there are many cars out there with similar mods to mine running different software that deliver higher figures. Mine pretty much reaches its max hp around 4500rpm and stays pretty much flat to the limiter so drivability isn't an issue. :smug:
Anyway it's only an opinion, please don't get so defensive it won't harm anyone...hopefully! Just reporting what i've experienced :rolleyes:
Think I'll just head back to my own territory though, it's a bit chilly (read clique) in here. :undecided:
Thanks again to Gaz though, thoroughly enjoyed the day. See you soon no doubt. :smiley:
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Might be new on here, but i'm certainly not new to the foibles of RR's, their results and VAG modified motors. :wink: More importantly if i had a pound for every thread i've read on RR days that ends with folks chasing their tails over what is a lottery. I wouldn't need to buy a lotto ticket every week. :tongue:
Drivability isn't a problem in my case, my car isn't looking for the highest figures. Certainly there are many cars out there with similar mods to mine running different software that deliver higher figures. Mine pretty much reaches its max hp around 4500rpm and stays pretty much flat to the limiter so drivability isn't an issue. :smug:
Anyway it's only an opinion, please don't get so defensive it won't harm anyone...hopefully! Just reporting what i've experienced :rolleyes:
Think I'll just head back to my own territory though, it's a bit chilly (read clique) in here. :undecided:
Thanks again to Gaz though, thoroughly enjoyed the day. See you soon no doubt. :smiley:
This is not the case ZBOYD honestly.Its just this subject it is always the same, its like ground hog day it stands to reason that the car came out of the factory with the correct stated VW figures and there is no reason why it should go up. so when these figures show up it often causes the temp to rise you were just the first one to put up a reason why they are what they are, If you hang around for a while you will see the forum is friendly to everybody except Vauxhall owners. :laugh:
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Might be new on here, but i'm certainly not new to the foibles of RR's, their results and VAG modified motors. :wink: More importantly if i had a pound for every thread i've read on RR days that ends with folks chasing their tails over what is a lottery. I wouldn't need to buy a lotto ticket every week. :tongue:
Drivability isn't a problem in my case, my car isn't looking for the highest figures. Certainly there are many cars out there with similar mods to mine running different software that deliver higher figures. Mine pretty much reaches its max hp around 4500rpm and stays pretty much flat to the limiter so drivability isn't an issue. :smug:
Anyway it's only an opinion, please don't get so defensive it won't harm anyone...hopefully! Just reporting what i've experienced :rolleyes:
Think I'll just head back to my own territory though, it's a bit chilly (read clique) in here. :undecided:
Thanks again to Gaz though, thoroughly enjoyed the day. See you soon no doubt. :smiley:
ive noticed that recently too, and you have noticed after just 12 posts :undecided:
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ive noticed that recently too, and you have noticed after just 12 posts :undecided:
It comes from years of experience I think, though I don't venture outside of SCN all that often. :huh:
I don't mind my opinion being disagreed with, it's only an opinion after all. :smug:
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you are a welcome member ZBOYD on here :cool: with some good knowledge to bring to the table.
RR days forum threads are always like this :grin: And will be again for the next one.
I'm sure if we took a stock ED30 , it would run 255 at Awesome and Prosport and 235 at JKM. (on same fuels)
Which is 'absolutely' correct I dunno , but in terms of reproducibility they are all comparable if you stay on 1 dyno :grin:
If you added a remap to that ED30 you would still see a +XXbhp difference no matter which dyno.
And thats the key here.
What is clear though is that the numbers across dynos ARENT comparable.
I also believe that given the data on here , I could 'work out' what my car would produce at JKM (317 - 20 = 297bhp)
Of course this could all be sh*t and its just that us Northeners got the 'better' Golf GTI's :evil:
only 237 bhp Phil :wink: , you running 95 :grin: :grin:
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ive noticed that recently too, and you have noticed after just 12 posts :undecided:
It comes from years of experience I think, though I don't venture outside of SCN all that often. :huh:
I don't mind my opinion being disagreed with, it's only an opinion after all. :smug:
....I wasn't disagreeing with you but just responding to the tone of your words and discussing the subject. A forum would be very dull if we all agreed about absolutely everything - We share our opinions and sometimes change our opinions as a result.
If you are very experienced in forum exchanges, you'll know that words or tone can sometimes be misinterpreted and know that you needn't feel so sensitive or put out.
If I've offended you, I'm sorry, but you'll just have to take me or leave me as you find me. :smiley:
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you are a welcome member ZBOYD on here :cool: with some good knowledge to bring to the table.
RR days forum threads are always like this :grin: And will be again for the next one.
I'm sure if we took a stock ED30 , it would run 255 at Awesome and Prosport and 235 at JKM. (on same fuels)
Which is 'absolutely' correct I dunno , but in terms of reproducibility they are all comparable if you stay on 1 dyno :grin:
If you added a remap to that ED30 you would still see a +XXbhp difference no matter which dyno.
And thats the key here.
What is clear though is that the numbers across dynos ARENT comparable.
I also believe that given the data on here , I could 'work out' what my car would produce at JKM (317 - 20 = 297bhp)
Of course this could all be sh*t and its just that us Northeners got the 'better' Golf GTI's :evil:
only 237 bhp Phil :wink: , you running 95 :grin: :grin:
didnt know you had the whiteline anti lift kit thingsy :smiley: any good?
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didnt know you had the whiteline anti lift kit thingsy :smiley: any good?
Still in 'review' phase but very good indications so far :wink: , will post in my previous thread after a few weeks
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didnt know you had the whiteline anti lift kit thingsy :smiley: any good?
Still in 'review' phase but very good indications so far :wink: , will post in my previous thread after a few weeks
Is there not something missing from your sig. :wink:
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didnt know you had the whiteline anti lift kit thingsy :smiley: any good?
Still in 'review' phase but very good indications so far :wink: , will post in my previous thread after a few weeks
Is there not something missing from your sig. :wink:
whos?
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ive noticed that recently too, and you have noticed after just 12 posts :undecided:
It comes from years of experience I think, though I don't venture outside of SCN all that often. :huh:
I don't mind my opinion being disagreed with, it's only an opinion after all. :smug:
....I wasn't disagreeing with you but just responding to the tone of your words and discussing the subject. A forum would be very dull if we all agreed about absolutely everything - We share our opinions and sometimes change our opinions as a result.
If you are very experienced in forum exchanges, you'll know that words or tone can sometimes be misinterpreted and know that you needn't feel so sensitive or put out.
If I've offended you, I'm sorry, but you'll just have to take me or leave me as you find me. :smiley:
Not even a tiny bit offended. :smiley: As a founding admin on SCN I'm always getting it in the neck one way or another, I tend to remain neutral on most things. :grin: Some might say a very good listener.
I wouldn't discount anyones point of view, I'm genuinely very interested to hear those points of view. I just wanted to get across the point of view that myself and others have experienced all over the place.
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didnt know you had the whiteline anti lift kit thingsy :smiley: any good?
Still in 'review' phase but very good indications so far :wink: , will post in my previous thread after a few weeks
Is there not something missing from your sig. :wink:
whos?
Ah sorry Joe i was on about John_o :tongue:
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ive noticed that recently too, and you have noticed after just 12 posts :undecided:
It comes from years of experience I think, though I don't venture outside of SCN all that often. :huh:
I don't mind my opinion being disagreed with, it's only an opinion after all. :smug:
....I wasn't disagreeing with you but just responding to the tone of your words and discussing the subject. A forum would be very dull if we all agreed about absolutely everything - We share our opinions and sometimes change our opinions as a result.
If you are very experienced in forum exchanges, you'll know that words or tone can sometimes be misinterpreted and know that you needn't feel so sensitive or put out.
If I've offended you, I'm sorry, but you'll just have to take me or leave me as you find me. :smiley:
Not even a tiny bit offended. :smiley: As a founding admin on SCN I'm always getting it in the neck one way or another, I tend to remain neutral on most things. :grin: Some might say a very good listener.
I wouldn't discount anyones point of view, I'm genuinely very interested to hear those points of view. I just wanted to get across the point of view that myself and others have experienced all over the place.
.... :cool: :afro:
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you are a welcome member ZBOYD on here :cool: with some good knowledge to bring to the table.
RR days forum threads are always like this :grin: And will be again for the next one.
I'm sure if we took a stock ED30 , it would run 255 at Awesome and Prosport and 235 at JKM. (on same fuels)
Which is 'absolutely' correct I dunno , but in terms of reproducibility they are all comparable if you stay on 1 dyno :grin:
If you added a remap to that ED30 you would still see a +XXbhp difference no matter which dyno.
And thats the key here.
What is clear though is that the numbers across dynos ARENT comparable.
I also believe that given the data on here , I could 'work out' what my car would produce at JKM (317 - 20 = 297bhp)
Of course this could all be sh*t and its just that us Northeners got the 'better' Golf GTI's :evil:
only 237 bhp Phil :wink: , you running 95 :grin: :grin:
Thanks, :smiley: I don't confess to be an expert but have my own experiences over the years to cast upon.
I'd actually expect it to run lower figures at Awesome than Prosport. Based on the historical data I have so far anyway.
It would not surprise me to see it drop 10-15hp at Awesome next weekend.
Common sense would indeed dictate they do what they are supposed to do, but I didn't get a dyno report with my new car to tell me what it was doing the day it was bolted together. I'm pretty sure no-one else did either.
There may well be nothing in it at all, but without supporting evidence from the manufacturer other than their marketing spiel its not unfeasible that the cars leave the manufacturers with an under or even over estimated figure either.
I did some logging yesterday in VAGCOM, and based on the air mass readings it's pulling around 315-320 hp give or take. Which is probably 10-15hp under what Prosport read it on their road.
The last time it ran at Prosport without the new modifications it ran lower. At Awesome it ran lower still, its back at Awesome on Saturday, I expect it to run lower figures than Prosport possibly in the low to mid 320's with the new modifications.
I do not rely so much on the accuracy of the numbers but the fact I can see a change, based on the last time it was run and compare it to other cars of a similar ilk I find to be genuinely useful. I also never brag about my numbers or get to hung up on them, because at the end of the day they don't really tell the whole picture, especially 'peak' figures that so many people latch onto as being 'all' important.
It's never a standardised situation any of us run are our cars under, so at the end of the day its mainly a bit of fun and if it gives you a general idea of whereabouts you are in the grand scheme of things then that is all that really matters.
We do have colder air up north. :grin: and the beer doesn't taste funny. ;)
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you are a welcome member ZBOYD on here :cool: with some good knowledge to bring to the table.
RR days forum threads are always like this :grin: And will be again for the next one.
I'm sure if we took a stock ED30 , it would run 255 at Awesome and Prosport and 235 at JKM. (on same fuels)
Which is 'absolutely' correct I dunno , but in terms of reproducibility they are all comparable if you stay on 1 dyno :grin:
If you added a remap to that ED30 you would still see a +XXbhp difference no matter which dyno.
And thats the key here.
What is clear though is that the numbers across dynos ARENT comparable.
I also believe that given the data on here , I could 'work out' what my car would produce at JKM (317 - 20 = 297bhp)
Of course this could all be sh*t and its just that us Northeners got the 'better' Golf GTI's :evil:
only 237 bhp Phil :wink: , you running 95 :grin: :grin:
Thanks, :smiley: I don't confess to be an expert but have my own experiences over the years to cast upon.
I'd actually expect it to run lower figures at Awesome than Prosport. Based on the historical data I have so far anyway.
It would not surprise me to see it drop 10-15hp at Awesome next weekend.
Common sense would indeed dictate they do what they are supposed to do, but I didn't get a dyno report with my new car to tell me what it was doing the day it was bolted together. I'm pretty sure no-one else did either.
There may well be nothing in it at all, but without supporting evidence from the manufacturer other than their marketing spiel its not unfeasible that the cars leave the manufacturers with an under or even over estimated figure either.
I did some logging yesterday in VAGCOM, and based on the air mass readings it's pulling around 315-320 hp give or take. Which is probably 10-15hp under what Prosport read it on their road.
The last time it ran at Prosport without the new modifications it ran lower. At Awesome it ran lower still, its back at Awesome on Saturday, I expect it to run lower figures than Prosport possibly in the low to mid 320's with the new modifications.
I do not rely so much on the accuracy of the numbers but the fact I can see a change, based on the last time it was run and compare it to other cars of a similar ilk I find to be genuinely useful. I also never brag about my numbers or get too hung up on them. At the end of the day they don't really tell the whole picture, especially 'peak' figures that so many people latch onto as being 'all' important.
It's never a standardised situation any of us run are our cars under, so at the end of the day its mainly a bit of fun and if it gives you a general idea of whereabouts you are in the grand scheme of things then that is all that really matters.
We do have colder air up north. :grin: and the beer doesn't taste funny. ;)
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you are a welcome member ZBOYD on here :cool:
Of course this could all be sh*t and its just that us Northeners got the 'better' Golf GTI's :evil:
only 237 bhp Phil :wink: , you running 95 :grin: :grin:
....Must remind myself to stop using starter Motor as my main Engine next time !!
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....Must remind myself to stop using starter Motor as my main Engine next time !!
pmsl , I think my starter made 30 brake on Saturday :wink:
and yes TC :wink: , I was following Vtecs example of 'subtle'
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Just turning the air con off will give you 50 hp. :grin: :evil:
Who needs air con anyway, it's baltic enough up here. :grin:
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Just turning the air con off will give you 50 hp. :grin: :evil:
Shhhh , dont tell Phil , but my was ran with A/C on , headlights and both front seat heaters...... :wink:
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Just turning the air con off will give you 50 hp. :grin: :evil:
Shhhh , dont tell Phil , but my was ran with A/C on , headlights and both front seat heaters...... :wink:
....Are you suggesting that Phil is a Southern Softie, Joe? :evil:
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Just turning the air con off will give you 50 hp. :grin: :evil:
Shhhh , dont tell Phil , but my was ran with A/C on , headlights and both front seat heaters...... :wink:
....Are you suggesting that Phil is a Southern Softie, Joe? :evil:
john....??? :laugh: :laugh: but yea i rekon he's abit of a southern fairy aswell :grin: :grin:
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look foward to seing you at Inters or the Santa pod joe.., a nice firm handshake is in order. :wink:
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look foward to seing you at Inters or the Santa pod joe.., a nice firm handshake is in order. :wink:
meh??!! you could have just called me a northern monkey :laugh: :laugh: and im defo goin to the pod next time your there, still need to proove a modded ko3 is quicker than a std ko4 :tongue:
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look foward to seing you at Inters or the Santa pod joe :wink:
....You might want to wear a disguise, Joe!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBl7Ca4Vt9E (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBl7Ca4Vt9E)
^Tony Curtis and Jack Lemmon in disguise with Marilyn Monroe
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look foward to seing you at Inters or the Santa pod joe :wink:
....You might want to wear a disguise, Joe!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBl7Ca4Vt9E (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBl7Ca4Vt9E)
^Tony Curtis and Jack Lemmon in disguise with Marilyn Monroe
lmao, dont think il be walking around like tony curtis in disguise :grin: :grin:
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look foward to seing you at Inters or the Santa pod joe.., a nice firm handshake is in order. :wink:
meh??!! you could have just called me a northern monkey :laugh: :laugh: and im defo goin to the pod next time your there, still need to proove a modded ko3 is quicker than a std ko4 :tongue:
Now that I would like to see... :wink: Can't imagine Phill taking his up the strip though for some reason.. :undecided:..
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look foward to seing you at Inters or the Santa pod joe.., a nice firm handshake is in order. :wink:
meh??!! you could have just called me a northern monkey :laugh: :laugh: and im defo goin to the pod next time your there, still need to proove a modded ko3 is quicker than a std ko4 :tongue:
Now that I would like to see... :wink: Can't imagine Phill taking his up the strip though for some reason.. :undecided:..
We will just have to see Ben, if its dry, then i will, and yes ill run against Joe cus im taller and can p!ss higher up the wall then him :wink:
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Do you have a graph from the weekend Joe, so i can plot my Run to Victory nxt year! :wink: :grin:
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Do you have a graph from the weekend Joe, so i can plot my Run to Victory nxt year! :wink: :grin:
yea but its at home, il take a pic when i get home and upload it tomeoow, but it was 251 and 286 i think. :smiley:
oh and how do you know how tall i am?? :wink:
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From your Mirror reflection in your photo's on your car a while back, looks like your 4ft 6'' . just joking. was the reflection making you look
short....
Look foward to seeing your graph joe, your pulling the same Ilbs ft as Redrobins, and ours were side by side on performance on the road,
but both DSG, so hopefully your super slick in your gearchanges :smiley:
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From your Mirror reflection in your photo's on your car a while back, looks like your 4ft 6'' . just joking. was the reflection making you look
short....
Look foward to seeing your graph joe, your pulling the same Ilbs ft as Redrobins, and ours were side by side on performance on the road,
but both DSG, so hopefully your super slick in your gearchanges :smiley:
HAHAA i think your taller than me anyways but im 6ft1 :smiley:
remind me to put a short shifter on it :tongue:
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look foward to seing you at Inters or the Santa pod joe.., a nice firm handshake is in order. :wink:
meh??!! you could have just called me a northern monkey :laugh: :laugh: and im defo goin to the pod next time your there, still need to proove a modded ko3 is quicker than a std ko4 :tongue:
Now that I would like to see... :wink: Can't imagine Phill taking his up the strip though for some reason.. :undecided:..
We will just have to see Ben, if its dry, then i will, and yes ill run against Joe cus im taller and can p!ss higher up the wall then him :wink:
They don't run if it's wet anyway mate..
I think everyone should run next year @ Inters, doesn't matter what the times/results are it's just a good laugh anyway.. Bit like a trackday. Nobody times laps, just all there to have a blast and some fun..
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look foward to seing you at Inters or the Santa pod joe.., a nice firm handshake is in order. :wink:
meh??!! you could have just called me a northern monkey :laugh: :laugh: and im defo goin to the pod next time your there, still need to proove a modded ko3 is quicker than a std ko4 :tongue:
Now that I would like to see... :wink: Can't imagine Phill taking his up the strip though for some reason.. :undecided:..
We will just have to see Ben, if its dry, then i will, and yes ill run against Joe cus im taller and can p!ss higher up the wall then him :wink:
They don't run if it's wet anyway mate..
I think everyone should run next year @ Inters, doesn't matter what the times/results are it's just a good laugh anyway.. Bit like a trackday. Nobody times laps, just all there to have a blast and some fun..
im going to inters next year, didnt get there this year!
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look foward to seing you at Inters or the Santa pod joe.., a nice firm handshake is in order. :wink:
meh??!! you could have just called me a northern monkey :laugh: :laugh: and im defo goin to the pod next time your there, still need to proove a modded ko3 is quicker than a std ko4 :tongue:
Now that I would like to see... :wink: Can't imagine Phill taking his up the strip though for some reason.. :undecided:..
We will just have to see Ben, if its dry, then i will, and yes ill run against Joe cus im taller and can p!ss higher up the wall then him :wink:
They don't run if it's wet anyway mate..
I think everyone should run next year @ Inters, doesn't matter what the times/results are it's just a good laugh anyway.. Bit like a trackday. Nobody times laps, just all there to have a blast and some fun..
im going to inters next year, didnt get there this year!
i will defo be there again but with a few more mods :wink:
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i will install my secret weapon that will give me the edge over Joesgti...................
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/This-is-the-best-dyno-you_128344.htm
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i will install my secret weapon that will give me the edge over Joesgti...................
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/This-is-the-best-dyno-you_128344.htm
:grin: :grin: :grin:
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look foward to seing you at Inters or the Santa pod joe.., a nice firm handshake is in order. :wink:
meh??!! you could have just called me a northern monkey :laugh: :laugh: and im defo goin to the pod next time your there, still need to proove a modded ko3 is quicker than a std ko4 :tongue:
Now that I would like to see... :wink: Can't imagine Phill taking his up the strip though for some reason.. :undecided:..
We will just have to see Ben, if its dry, then i will, and yes ill run against Joe cus im taller and can p!ss higher up the wall then him :wink:
They don't run if it's wet anyway mate..
I think everyone should run next year @ Inters, doesn't matter what the times/results are it's just a good laugh anyway.. Bit like a trackday. Nobody times laps, just all there to have a blast and some fun..
im going to inters next year, didnt get there this year!
i will defo be there again but with a few more mods :wink:
.... And your Revo switched on this time I hope... :grin:
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i will install my secret weapon that will give me the edge over Joesgti...................
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/This-is-the-best-dyno-you_128344.htm
that must be why the KO4 has such an advantage over the KO3 :laugh: :laugh:
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look foward to seing you at Inters or the Santa pod joe.., a nice firm handshake is in order. :wink:
meh??!! you could have just called me a northern monkey :laugh: :laugh: and im defo goin to the pod next time your there, still need to proove a modded ko3 is quicker than a std ko4 :tongue:
Now that I would like to see... :wink: Can't imagine Phill taking his up the strip though for some reason.. :undecided:..
We will just have to see Ben, if its dry, then i will, and yes ill run against Joe cus im taller and can p!ss higher up the wall then him :wink:
They don't run if it's wet anyway mate..
I think everyone should run next year @ Inters, doesn't matter what the times/results are it's just a good laugh anyway.. Bit like a trackday. Nobody times laps, just all there to have a blast and some fun..
im going to inters next year, didnt get there this year!
i will defo be there again but with a few more mods :wink:
.... And your Revo switched on this time I hope... :grin:
:lipsrsealed: :rolleyes: bloody VW
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Just a quick update, Peter rang yesterday to says thanx to the lads that came down, and commented on the turn out of the cars again and the attitude of the lads etc, positive by the way :smiley: I mentioned the the spurious figures from a few of the cars and he did say it could be down to transmission type and would do more research.
He also said he will be looking into doing another day early next year maybe, where all the proceeds go to charity :smiley:
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Just a quick update, Peter rang yesterday to says thanx to the lads that came down, and commented on the turn out of the cars again and the attitude of the lads etc, positive by the way :smiley: I mentioned the the spurious figures from a few of the cars and he did say it could be down to transmission type and would do more research.
He also said he will be looking into doing another day early next year maybe, where all the proceeds go to charity :smiley:
must say peter is a top fella and him wanting to donate proceeds to charity proves it and defo count me in for the next one :wink:
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wonder if my trusty k03 will be pushing out more hp by then... :smiley:
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im in too , was well impressed with prosports attitude.
As well as that we can put the DSG issue to be :evil:
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Looks like I missed a really good day :angry: Will definately be attending the next RR day :smiley:
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id go again :cool: :cool: decent guys and a decent day out. pluse i want it on a RR before i get my zorst as i would like to see the difference the s3 cooler made :nerd:
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Just wanted to remind you guys that if any of you are at a loose end tomorrow, SCN is taking on UKMKIV's in an inter forum RR shoot-out at Awesome GTI.
Though there are no official running slots available now, anyone is very welcome to pop along. :smiley:
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All these RR's and I dont have my car!! :cry:
Will have to do another once I have it back and the IC fitted
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Just wanted to remind you guys that if any of you are at a loose end tomorrow, SCN is taking on UKMKIV's in an inter forum RR shoot-out at Awesome GTI.
Though there are no official running slots available now, anyone is very welcome to pop along. :smiley:
might come along as i am a member of both sites :wink:
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I've already said that I'll most likely trot along to this one. Especially as I may be stopping overnight in Blackpool after the Krispy Kremes meet. Rude not to as it is on the way back :cool:
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Another quick update lads
Sent the charity money, paid online actually, to Macmillan Cancer Support today, and got this email as a receipt, so thanx again to everyone who came to our Rolling Road day
Thank you Gary Butler for making a donation of £100.00 to Macmillan Cancer Support. You're helping to provide medical, emotional and financial support and push for better cancer care.
One in three of us will get cancer. Its something that affects us all. Our goal is to reach everyone affected by cancer that wants and needs us. Together we can make it happen. Thank you so much for your support.
We are all affected by cancer. We can all help. We are Macmillan.
Visit our website: www.macmillan.org.uk
Macmillan Cancer Support, Registered charity number 261017. Isle of Man charity number 604. Isle of Man company number 4694F. A company limited by guarantee.Registered in England and Wales, number 2400969. Registered office: 89 Albert Embankment, London SE1 7UQ
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Just a quick update from ourselves.
Know that Peter spoke to Gaz earlier in the week, and explained that the high torque figures experienced with the DSG units may be down to the way in which the cars were run down, and we are still researching this with Bosch.
In addition we are also looking into new equipment to provide consistent RPM pick up from each vehicle to eliminate the problems encountered on that front .
Take care
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Here's hoping that it'll all be sorted out for the next RR. :smiley: