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Model specific boards => Golf mk1 => Topic started by: wayders on 15 October 2008, 22:05
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Hello again peeps at last my dreams have been answered and iv aquired myself a J reg 2ltr 16v (short block) Corrado rolling shell and am about to have conversion done any help, advice, links or things i may need to look out for would be very much appreciated, the car still has all the running gear with everthing still intact. Cheers.. :tongue: :tongue: :tongue:
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the only thing you need to worry about is the exhaust manifold/downpipe. You need a MK1 conversion kit! There are a few manifolds ready made for this conversion, or you can make your own by chopping up the corrado downpipe and welding it to the MK1 item. Then you got the fuel lines, if its a GTI you can get away with bending the metal pipes round carefully to the driver side, swap the MK1 fuel filter bracket to the corrado metering head. If I was you I'd bin all the corrado managment and go with kr stuff instead, but that choice is up to you. Oh and you want a KR inlet or a pair of ABF cams to pep up the 9a :)
One more thing if its not a 1.5+ already you need to chop off and reweld the driver side engine bracket from the chassis leg upside down and further back
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Boooo corrado killer!
Nick
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If you have the Corrado bonnet and it's dent free and the centre section is higher than the outer, Ill gladly buy it off you. Some little t**t jumped on mine.
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Cheers Jonny i'm gonna use kr gas flowed head and stick a pair of mild road cams in.
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Horney she's already been killed and stripped not my doin sorry lol! And village idiots i think all panels are gone, gonna pick her up sat. so i'll let u know mate............
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Also can i use the rado's brake set up the way i can a mk2 16v's, servo master cylinder etc??
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servo and mc yes, hubs and carriers no. you can use the calipers if you can find some rocco 16v/old square audi 80 256 carriers!
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Does anyone know of anyone on here that's actually done this conversion that i could have a chat with??
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me ;)
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Been on hottuning's website and they have for sale a manifold which is described as fitting a mk1 16v (mk2 engine) or they have one that fits the Scirroco 16v, are these the same and if not which one do i need?? Also would this come with downpipe too? Cheers, Mark..
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hmm not sure why the rocco would be different, unless its designed for an actual scirocco 16v... id have thought it would be from head all the way to front silencer? best to give em a bell! oh and make sure they're RHD ones
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Ah good point, i'd have overlooked that! I think it is actually designed for the 16v Rocco, only reason i bring this point up is that i'v read the Rocco item can also be used, although there must be a slight difference as the prices vary slightly?
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Picked up my doner yesterday, thought i'd share a few pics!! if you're Rado squemish look away now lol :grin: :grin: (http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n261/Mk1gti_2006/003jpg.jpg)
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Cant wait to get her fitted!! :tongue: :tongue:(http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n261/Mk1gti_2006/007jpg.jpg)
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:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:
Mind you still a few bits on that. What's left in the interior? Rado parts are really hard to get hold of, especially little bits of trim. Once you've stripped what you need I would recommend putting pics up of everything you have left on the corrado forum. Stuf flike screw covers, dashboard shells (especially black ones) and stuff liek that can fetch a bit of cash.
Nick
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Picked up another little peice to the jigsaw today, just thought i'd share! :laugh:
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:kiss: :kiss:
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Is that a 50mm inlet?
Nick
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Sure is buddy?
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Mmmm nice! Thinking of bopping one of those on my 9A but you lose low down torque and that's not good in a heavy old beast like the Rado when I use it everyday for work.
Nick
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Oh i was told this was the better of the two? Have i been misinformed??
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Not really, it'll give more bhp up at the top. I think there's another manifold (ABF maybe) that's halfway between the skinny 9a and fat KR one that's a good balance. I guess it depends how you want it to drive. Like I said the Rado is much heavier than a MKII Golf so losing low enf torque is not a good thing, not so bad in a MKII.
nick
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Even better for my mk1 then! that's where it's heading for!
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Ha ha, I need new glasses!
Nick
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thats not a 50mm one, thats 42. 50mm flares out round the plugs! apparently you gain torque low down with the thinner mani, loose a bit up top. Only ever had the 50mm one on my cars so cant comment!
50mm
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So will this one be ok for me then John?
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its up to you really! it'll fit just fine n dandy, a case of do you want more down low or more up top?
But then there might not really be that much difference, ive never had a drive in a 42mm inlet car compared to a 50mm, so i cant really say.
theres a nice long 50 vs 42 on clubgti, worth a read:
http://clubgti.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=177437
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Where's the 42mm measurement actually taken from?
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Hey peeps should hopefully be gettin engine out of the Rado over the next couple of days and try and clean her up a bit, things are a bit tight at the mo so wont be doing a total rebuild but was thinking of gettin a list drawn up of any bits and bobs, seals, gasgits etc. Basically stuff i can replace or upgrade before she goes into her new home. Any ideas folks? Many thanks..
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the measurement is taken where the 2 halves of the inlet split apart :)
Bits you should buy:
Inlet manifold gasket
4x zaust manifold gaskets (they come seperate)
8x Copper zaust manifold nuts
Some zust manifold studs depending if any shear/come out with the nuts
Timing belt & tensioner (matched to whatever block you are using)
Solid rubber 16v/G60 rear mount (stronger)
Synta Silver oil & quality oil filter
Clutch kit
Gearbox input shaft seal, push rod bush & seal
Recommended bits:
Solid rubber 1.3/16v gearbox & front engine mounts
New alternator/pas etc belts
New metal coolant pipe
Thermostat & seal
Spark plugs, rotor arm & dizzy cap, air & fuel filters etc
Rubber cam cover gasket kit
Plastic coolant flanges that attach to the head
Redline MTL gearbox oil
Gearbox release bearing & end cap
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Wots the pas?
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power assisted steering, you can ignore that one :grin:
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RJ, you got part numbers for the different Inlet manifolds. Was looking at the pissrat this morning and the inlet manifold looks different to the one on the Rado.
Nick
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Yeah that's wot i thought mate, had me confused there for a second!
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The inlets may look a bit different but the size is the same:
50mm (KR) Golf - 027 129 717 F
42.5mm (KR, PL & 9A) Golf, Corrado & Passat - 027 129 717 D
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My thinking RJ is that someone has put a 50mm inlet on the passat before I bought it. It looks like one as it bulges out after the pulgs whereas the one on the Rado doesn't.
Nick
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oh right i see, well if it looks liek mine then its a kr, if its noticably bulgy around the plugs then its deffo a KR. the 42mm ones are straight like the polished one wayders has
50mm:
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42.5:
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RJ the code on mine is 027 133 223 AD?????????????????? :laugh:
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may part numbers are for the actual gasket ;)
inlet part numbers could be anything, as they changed many times thruout the 16v development cycle. many part numbers are unknown now too!
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Rj when buying clutch do i buy 9a or 020 kit? Gonna go for Sachs one that be ok?
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clutch is matched to the gearbox you're using, 9a one will be a hydro clutch so totally different. I assume you're using the old box right, in that case you want a 210mm GTI 8v clutch, and matching flywheel. If your GTI is an early one it might have a 200mm clutch in which case I dont think the fly is any good? To be on the safe side any MK2 GTI 8v or 16v fly will do the job lovely.
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Cheers John.. Mine's a Y reg (83).. Was plannin to use my box as it was recon'd 3k ago! New clutch only fitted about month ago.. So do i need flywheel from Mk2 16v prefably?? Turnin out to be quite a thread this lol.. :wink: :wink:
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do you know if it was a 210mm clutch, if so all your old gear will fit, you just need 6 new pressure plate bolts as they're use once. Actually done a quick check and all MK1 1.8 GTIs had a 210mm clutch, so if its a 1.8 you'll be reet :)
If its a 210 your old flywheel will be fine. just a case of checking the BTDC timing mark is set to 6 degrees, afaik it should be if again its a 1.8. Like zis:
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Would it be better to use kr cams and head than the 9a ones?
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Yes you deffo want the KR stuff on there, the 9A stuff is tepid due to the emissions regs when it was built.
Nick
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no need to swap the head though, they're near enough the same. though if you get a flowed head then its worth it.
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Yeah well the plan was to run the 9a head then as i have access to any kr parts i need was goin to gas flow a kr head.
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Mm i wonder where that engine's gone!! :grin: :grin: (http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n261/Mk1gti_2006/S7002631.jpg)
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Cleaning up nicely!!
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Time for a lick of paint i think!!
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That's better!! :laugh: :laugh:
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What brakes are you putting under thos cups mate?
I have the same wheels, and my 256 upgrade ain't going going to fit the wheels, so I'm on the look out for some different ones.
Gutted!
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What brakes are you putting under thos cups mate?
I have the same wheels, and my 256 upgrade ain't going going to fit the wheels, so I'm on the look out for some different ones.
Gutted!
Wot offset you got?
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Essential new goodies!! :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
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Yeah well the plan was to run the 9a head then as i have access to any kr parts i need was goin to gas flow a kr head.
You dont need to replace the head at all just the cams, you should be able to pick up a set of KR cams for very small money and they are an absolute must in this conversion. AFAIK they are worth at least 10bhp. You'll need a new cam chain and I was advised to buy new tappets when I switched mine as the wear pattern from the 9a lobes would be different to the KR ones going in but dont know how vital this is. You'll need a torque wrench for re-fitting the cam caps and you MUST follow the removal and refitting order as per the Haynes or Bentley manual. Lining them up is simple as there's 2 small dots inside the cam chain sprockets that line up with the top of the head which is all clearly illustrated in the manual. Obviously worth sticking on a new timing belt and tensioner if your doing this to.
Just my two bits... :smiley:
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read it properly, he says hes going to gas flow the head. cant do that to a head thats already fitted ;)
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Yeah well the plan was to run the 9a head then as i have access to any kr parts i need was goin to gas flow a kr head.
You dont need to replace the head at all just the cams, you should be able to pick up a set of KR cams for very small money and they are an absolute must in this conversion. AFAIK they are worth at least 10bhp. You'll need a new cam chain and I was advised to buy new tappets when I switched mine as the wear pattern from the 9a lobes would be different to the KR ones going in but dont know how vital this is. You'll need a torque wrench for re-fitting the cam caps and you MUST follow the removal and refitting order as per the Haynes or Bentley manual. Lining them up is simple as there's 2 small dots inside the cam chain sprockets that line up with the top of the head which is all clearly illustrated in the manual. Obviously worth sticking on a new timing belt and tensioner if your doing this to.
Just my two bits... :smiley:
To my knowledge i only need the KR inlet cam not the other as this is the same as the 9A one..
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Time to get this project rolling, with a big thanks goin out to RIXY for the fitting and RUBJOHNNY just for being the font of knowledge that he is lol!
Before :huh: :huh:
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After :wink: :wink:
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And after a little cleaning :cool: :cool:
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Oh yes........its getting there now mate :-)
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Oh yes........its getting there now mate :-)
No thanks to you buddy! :cool: :cool:
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Nicely insulated!! :cool: :cool:
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Steering rack polly bushed!! :cool: :cool:
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Make room, there she blows!! :cool: :cool:
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wayders quick tip
wrap a bit of heat insulating blanket around the steering column gaitor otherwise it will melt even thou you've wrapped the exhaust
will save you alot of grief later :wink:
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Ta Da!! :cool: :cool:
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it should be fine i'd imagine mate? will keep an eye on it, but the part of the exhaust closest to the rack has 3 layers of insulation on it?? so should be ok hopefully
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yep thats what i thought but come mot time i had to rush around and change mine even thou exhaust was wrapped right pita to do :wink:
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New stuff!!
Inlet manifold gasket
4x exhaust manifold gaskets
8x Copper exhaust manifold nuts
VW exhaust manifold studs
Timing belt & tensioner
Uprated engine mounts
Synta Silver oil & VW oil filter
Gearbox input shaft seal, push rod bush & seal
New alternator belt
New metal Scirroco 16v coolant pipe
Thermostat & seal
Spark plugs, rotor arm & dizzy cap, KN air filter
Fuel filter
Rubber cam cover gasket kit
Plastic coolant flange
VW Rocco 16v water flange
Redline MTL gearbox oil
Gearbox release bearing & end cap
Gearlinkage
KR 50mm Inlet KR fuel managment
Ashley 4 branch manifold
KR inlet cam
Inserts
Polly bushes up front
wishbones
track rod ends
CV joints and boots
goodridge hoses
9" servo 22mm mc
256mm vented discs
spax px kit 60mm
Powder coated rocker cover and inlet
polished stainless inlet and rockercover nuts and bolts
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:cool: :cool:
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Add 9" servo and 50mm inlet! :laugh: :laugh:
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Update 2moz! :grin: :grin:
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looking :cool: mate make sure you fit upper front and lower braces your gonna need them and rear upper too :evil:
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Update! New ball joints and wishbones polly bushed! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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KR Inlet cam fitted!! :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:
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Not long now!! :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin:
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IT'S ALIVE!!!............IT'S ALIVE!!! :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin:
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Just picked her up!!
Not had chance to stretch her legs yet as have my 3 yr old son with me at the mo!
From this!! :undecided: :undecided: :undecided:
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To this in 8 days!!............ Not bad fellas
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Just picked her up!!
Not had chance to stretch her legs yet as have my 3 yr old son with me at the mo!
From this!! :undecided: :undecided: :undecided:
To this in 8 days!!............ Not bad fellas
not bad considering i only worked on it 4 to 5 days of that 8 :rolleyes: now i understand why people 16v mk1's, they just seem so right :evil:
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lookin good! next step, better brakes :grin:
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lookin good! next step, better brakes :grin:
Yeah too right, next week or so hopefully!! :shocked: :shocked:
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Looks like my head gasket's gone!! :sick: :sick:
One of the only things i never replaced............ Typical!!
Good job i took her off the road when i did as further inspection by Rixy has revealed the head gasket had gone slightly on all 4 cylinders (we thought it was just the one)!! Also ALL the waterways were blocked so iminent trouble would have been round the corner!!
Anyway Rixy started the job yesterday and low and behold after ordering 9A gasket it turns out i've been given an ABF one........ :cry: :cry:
Brilliant!!
So instead of Rixy finishing thismornin and me being back on the road for todays ECDC meet i now have to wait till after the bank holiday, so probably not back OTR till middle of next week!! :undecided: :undecided:
Gotta love em lol!!
M :cool: :cool:
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Out of interest, which exhaust manifold did you go for in the end? Any comments on price and quality?
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i went in this car today and all i can say is it flies!!!! soo quick :evil:
makes me want one badly just keeps on revving
Dan
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i went in this car today and all i can say is it flies!!!! soo quick :evil:
makes me want one badly just keeps on revving
Dan
Yo dude
Glad ya enjoyed ya first little taste of a Mk1 chap!!
M :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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Out of interest, which exhaust manifold did you go for in the end? Any comments on price and quality?
Yo fella
Went for the ashley 4 to 1 in the end as Rixy knew of a new one going cheap
As for performance i'm impressed but have nothing to compare to?
M :cool: :cool:
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Couple of before pics the day after i bought her :undecided: :undecided: :undecided:
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i went in this car today and all i can say is it flies!!!! soo quick :evil:
makes me want one badly just keeps on revving
Dan
Yo dude
Glad ya enjoyed ya first little taste of a Mk1 chap!!
M :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
makes me want one lol! i tried keeping up with you but your just revs so much longer than mine everytime i change gear your away :laugh:
Dan
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i went in this car today and all i can say is it flies!!!! soo quick :evil:
makes me want one badly just keeps on revving
Dan
Yo dude
Glad ya enjoyed ya first little taste of a Mk1 chap!!
M :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
makes me want one lol! i tried keeping up with you but your just revs so much longer than mine everytime i change gear your away :laugh:
Dan
Viva le Valva!! :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin:
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Seemed to have developed a mystery problem??
Engine's now running like a dream all apart from wot seems to be an earth problem which causes my rev counter, clock, and gauges to die if i turn on my lights?? Also out of the blue on Sun. my engine completly died when i dipped the clutch but fired up again soon as i lifted/bumped again, now it tried to do this a couple of times but kept her goin by revvin her, seemed to sort itself out after a few times and little tear about, it then didn't happen again till today leaving work, did it couple of times then after that ok??
Bit strange?? :cry: :cry:
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1. check for dodgy earths to clocks, make sure there is a braided earth from back of head to one of the coil mounting bolts.
2. check the over-run cutoff valve, black n grey plastic thing behind airbox. mine started to do this, swapped the over-run and it was fixed.
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Cheers RJ
I'll get these checked!!
M :cool: :cool:
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1. check for dodgy earths to clocks, make sure there is a braided earth from back of head to one of the coil mounting bolts.
2. check the over-run cutoff valve, black n grey plastic thing behind airbox. mine started to do this, swapped the over-run and it was fixed.
Dont suppose you got VAG part no plz dude??
M :cool: :cool:
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Black diamond grooved discs, ferrodo fast road pads, goodridge hoses, new wishbones, track rod ends, ball joints and polly bushes now fitted!!
This is how bad they were lol!!
M :cool: :cool:
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Mmmmmmmmm!!
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Slighty better lol!!
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Another 20mm lower Mon. night!!
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