out of interest mate, how old is your Bluefin ?, and did they say why they would even produce a low power version ?Very happy mate and yes they do a low powered file for some reason although not sold as standard!!!
out of interest mate, how old is your Bluefin ?, and did they say why they would even produce a low power version ?Very happy mate and yes they do a low powered file for some reason although not sold as standard!!!
My bluefin is 6 months old,...they were bloody brills to be honest,..
Best way is to connect your bluefin to your pc and email them your file apparently??? although I would give Dave a call as he was very helpful, their number is 01280816781, open Monday to Friday between 8am-5pm,....out of interest mate, how old is your Bluefin ?, and did they say why they would even produce a low power version ?Very happy mate and yes they do a low powered file for some reason although not sold as standard!!!
My bluefin is 6 months old,...they were bloody brills to be honest,..
did they say how we can check the file ?
Ok, worth checking i guess, thanksBest way is to connect your bluefin to your pc and email them your file apparently??? although I would give Dave a call as he was very helpful, their number is 01280816781, open Monday to Friday between 8am-5pm,....out of interest mate, how old is your Bluefin ?, and did they say why they would even produce a low power version ?Very happy mate and yes they do a low powered file for some reason although not sold as standard!!!
My bluefin is 6 months old,...they were bloody brills to be honest,..
did they say how we can check the file ?
nice one Terry glad you got it sorted after moaning to me most of the day :grin: only jokin, better PM GTIjames so he can get his sorted too as its probs same problem do ya think?Dan,...he already emailed me,...have done the honourable thing and ignored it,... :grin: not really all taken care of,....
Dan
Glad you got it sorted mate, bet it feels like a different car now :cool:Oh yes,.....much smoother and much faster,......
Glad yours is sorted Tel :afro::grin:Thanks,....to be honest it wouldn't surprise me if the rest of the bluefin units were running on low!!!
just all the other missing horses to find now :lipsrsealed:
nice result telboy , thanks for sharing
Good on superchips too for sorting out.
now bear with me, this is directed at all maps not just superchips , but in this case it is SC
Im not being negative but im not sure I believe the whole 'low power map' idea.
Is that the DSG version? Why would they even have a LP map? And how did it make it onto your car?
With stringent R&D and versioning this kinda thing doesnt just happen.
The whole thing 'bothers' me. Maybe they give out the LP may as a rule (most people will prob be happy and never question it), and only upgrade you to higher power map if you complain. Is this because the higher power map isnt good for the car?
Im sure there are more than a few SC owners out there running the LP map and dont even know it!
just my rantings , Im glad that for you this issue is sorted.
nice result telboy , thanks for sharing
Good on superchips too for sorting out.
now bear with me, this is directed at all maps not just superchips , but in this case it is SC
Im not being negative but im not sure I believe the whole 'low power map' idea.
Is that the DSG version? Why would they even have a LP map? And how did it make it onto your car?
With stringent R&D and versioning this kinda thing doesnt just happen.
The whole thing 'bothers' me. Maybe they give out the LP may as a rule (most people will prob be happy and never question it), and only upgrade you to higher power map if you complain. Is this because the higher power map isnt good for the car?
Im sure there are more than a few SC owners out there running the LP map and dont even know it!
just my rantings , Im glad that for you this issue is sorted.
Glad to here all is well now Telboy. :cool:Thanks Steve,....checked your stereo lately!!!! :grin:watch out for those black holes,..one may appear right near your stereo some day soon???
Soon my son,...the time will come,..................We await some Graphs El Tel :wink:
i wonder if mine has a mystery remap, because she has some black smoke apparently at full power!!, i never saw it but a couple say they did??
maybe SC supplies certain dealers with a LP remap as a warranted optional extra for customers who want a little bit more but don't want to void the warranty, like stevep's richter map thru his dealer?
but glad you got it all sorted out telboy.
however, that is some weird graph though even if its a "low power" version. If its a legitimate "map" then no way should it have had a "hole" in the plot like it did. It should still be smooth to a certain extent.
Telboy, do you have a graph from today :evil:I do and will post as soon as I can either find a scanner or sort my camera out!!
it just doesnt add up tbh
a lower power map , ok maybe , but NEVER I have I seen a low power version advertised by Superchips.
If there was a market they would advertise and sell it!
Unless as said its marketed under a diff name.
Not to mention the R&D required to create 2 maps......
doesnt wash with me Im afraid.
but then Im always suspicous
Telboy, do you have a graph from today :evil:I do and will post as soon as I can either find a scanner or sort my camera out!!
maybe SC supplies certain dealers with a LP remap as a warranted optional extra for customers who want a little bit more but don't want to void the warranty, like stevep's richter map thru his dealer?SC did confirm my file was defo a faulty one although it was based on an LP file rather than the full power version. The new file they have loaded is as it should be and smooth as you like, nice power delivery!!!
but glad you got it all sorted out telboy.
however, that is some weird graph though even if its a "low power" version. If its a legitimate "map" then no way should it have had a "hole" in the plot like it did. It should still be smooth to a certain extent.
it just doesnt add up tbhThere is a an LP map by SC, they did explain when it's used although in all the excitement I've totally forgot!!!
a lower power map , ok maybe , but NEVER I have I seen a low power version advertised by Superchips.
If there was a market they would advertise and sell it!
Unless as said its marketed under a diff name.
Not to mention the R&D required to create 2 maps......
doesnt wash with me Im afraid.
but then Im always suspicous
nice result telboy , thanks for sharing
Good on superchips too for sorting out.
now bear with me, this is directed at all maps not just superchips , but in this case it is SC
Im not being negative but im not sure I believe the whole 'low power map' idea.
Is that the DSG version? Why would they even have a LP map? And how did it make it onto your car?
With stringent R&D and versioning this kinda thing doesnt just happen.
The whole thing 'bothers' me. Maybe they give out the LP may as a rule (most people will prob be happy and never question it), and only upgrade you to higher power map if you complain. Is this because the higher power map isnt good for the car?
Im sure there are more than a few SC owners out there running the LP map and dont even know it!
just my rantings , Im glad that for you this issue is sorted.
nice result telboy , thanks for sharing
Good on superchips too for sorting out.
now bear with me, this is directed at all maps not just superchips , but in this case it is SC
Im not being negative but im not sure I believe the whole 'low power map' idea.
Is that the DSG version? Why would they even have a LP map? And how did it make it onto your car?
With stringent R&D and versioning this kinda thing doesnt just happen.
The whole thing 'bothers' me. Maybe they give out the LP may as a rule (most people will prob be happy and never question it), and only upgrade you to higher power map if you complain. Is this because the higher power map isnt good for the car?
Im sure there are more than a few SC owners out there running the LP map and dont even know it!
just my rantings , Im glad that for you this issue is sorted.
I have to agree with those sentiments, John.
The "LP" map which Superchips are supplying is obviously a low standard, but "safe" map. And if peeps then complain, SC then supply their "less reliable" and less well developed "proper" map.
And I also don't agree with the "insurance" reasons for any such "low power" maps. A remap is a remap in insurers eyes, and as far as I know, they don't really "allow" for any such low power maps. Furthermore, reliable tuners have for years used "stage 1", "stage 2", ect to indicate logical power increases.
As I have repeatedly said before, the quality of SuperChips "out of the box" products are very poor when compared to other reputable tuners, and whilst their customer service is always highly commendable, this is always as a result of a problem. Perhaps if Superchips put more time and effort into thoroughly developing their products - they just one day might actually get their products right the first time. And they really need to stop peddling their blatant lies on their website. :rolleyes:
As all the others have said thou - glad it is now sorted. :smiley:
Mate, great to hear you finally got it sorted. Musta been gutting when car when on the rollers.Cheers mate, if only I knew then what I know now eh???
Glad its all sorted telboy :cool: :afro:Cheers, nice result on yours too mate :wink:
tt , i value your opinions quite highly cause its plain to see your a very clued up guy ,
tt , i value your opinions quite highly cause its plain to see your a very clued up guy , who would you get to re map your car ? :cool:
tt , i value your opinions quite highly cause its plain to see your a very clued up guy ,
:rolleyes:
tt , i value your opinions quite highly cause its plain to see your a very clued up guy , who would you get to re map your car ? :cool:
For the GTI, only REVO. And for my RS4 - dunno, but again probably Revo. But for both, the remap would be done after hardware mods such as Milltek.
HTH, but it is just my POV thou. :smiley:
Good result getting the map sorted :cool:
As for the low power map :undecided:
If I was in cynical mode, I'd be tempted to believe that they'd given you a standard GTI map and then realised when you brought it in that it was an ED30 :wink:
tt , i value your opinions quite highly cause its plain to see your a very clued up guy , who would you get to re map your car ? :cool:
For the GTI, only REVO. And for my RS4 - dunno, but again probably Revo. But for both, the remap would be done after hardware mods such as Milltek.
HTH, but it is just my POV thou. :smiley:
....That's exactly what I did - My main hardware performance mods first. Revo even advised me it was the best/ideal way around but not many people did it.
Good result getting the map sorted :cool:
As for the low power map :undecided:
If I was in cynical mode, I'd be tempted to believe that they'd given you a standard GTI map and then realised when you brought it in that it was an ED30 :wink:
Good point, did you have those Monza's on, Did they ask for a photo of your car 1st ?? how did you go about having received this Map?
hmmm they have a stage 2 map now as well?
I must upload my file for them to check, although I believe mine to be running the proper map as it certainly pulls better than a std DSG car (mine is a manual ed30 with bluefin and milltek)
I confirmed with them to make sure it was stage 2 for editon 30 and they replied:
Yes this is for the Edition30. Since you have an Exhaust fitted this is called the Stage2. Power wise I'd expect the same levels of torque (due to gearbox) and around the same maximum power, perhaps a bit more depending on fuel grade. We've done quite a few Stage2's for Edition30's for Exhausts and uprated KMD/APR Fuel pumps that go very well.
cant wait to give it a wizz! :evil:
So just out of interest T_T what map would you go for on the R32?? I read a good review of CC over on the r32oc.. apparently they spend alot of time with your car tweaking it so the map is perfect for your car.
Even if they are downloading maps from europe and then tweaking them to match your car.. is that such a bad thing??
By the looks of it, what we've learnt here is:
(a) they're capable of writing maps to deliver roughly what they quote
(b) their customer service is excellent
(c) they need to do some serious housekeeping on their servers, audit everything and importantly do it right first time (quite rightly pointed out by T_T) For existing users ensure the right map is there for each car and then contact every Bluefin owner and get them to do a remote update.
They should be more pro-active in the latter, as it seems they're only responding when questioned - but what people need to do is go and speak to them if they have a problem like the OP.
And when all this tinkering has been completed, this butchered map never gets sent back to its oringal makers!
They tell me the new file i have to download is the correct file for my car, they didnt mention if i had the wrong one to start with ??, anyway will give it a try later and see how it goes
nope and I don't plan to eitherThey tell me the new file i have to download is the correct file for my car, they didnt mention if i had the wrong one to start with ??, anyway will give it a try later and see how it goes
Have you ever RR'd yours? Or is it the Mk1 "butt-dyno"? :wink: :smiley:
And when all this tinkering has been completed, this butchered map never gets sent back to its oringal makers!
The map in question from the r32oc forum was actually done at JBS, which is CC headquarters, so no worries there.
The excessive tinkering, as i understand it, is part of their 'stage 2' where the customer can specify the kind of throttle response and drive they want.
Personally I'd never use them for my R32 just because of the over-inflated price - and when i questioned them on that they justified it with cost of upfront equipment/development. (4 custom maps at that price = covered cost of hardware, development... but they're all custom, arent they?) I'll be using a trusted local tuner (r-tech) who charges sensible prices and offers realistic gains, all custom mapped while I watch over his shoulder on the rolling road :grin:
edit: and get free cups of tea.
By the looks of it, what we've learnt here is:
(a) they're capable of writing maps to deliver roughly what they quote
I don't agree. They may be capable of writing maps to match their quoted outputs, but in reality, few seem to actually get these!(b) their customer service is excellent
But that is sidestepping the main issue. What peeps really need, and deserve - is that their actual core product is excellent. And it is not. As the old saying goes, there isn't much use closing the stable door after the horse has already escaped.(c) they need to do some serious housekeeping on their servers, audit everything and importantly do it right first time (quite rightly pointed out by T_T) For existing users ensure the right map is there for each car and then contact every Bluefin owner and get them to do a remote update.
Hmmm . . . it is resonably clear to me that SuperChips actually know they are supplying "low power" maps as their "first choice", and only sort it after individual persons complain. If they really want to "do the right thing", then they should be taking the first steps, and contacting owners directly, before the individuals have a chance to complain. However, I strongly doubt they will do this, because their "core market" is very, very different to those of - say Revo, Oettinger, APR, Abt, etc.They should be more pro-active in the latter, as it seems they're only responding when questioned - but what people need to do is go and speak to them if they have a problem like the OP.
And that is where one of the problems is. What about all those SC customers who never put their cars on a RR?
:smiley: :smiley:
^^^^b!tching & so on,.....I don't think so! :angry:
Anyways, I think we should ask Phil to work his magic on JKM and see what discounts we'd get on running a BLUEFIN RR day :grin:
I'd be up for it,.....before anyone asks, haven't forgotten the graphs from SC, just received some bad news today and things a tad poo at the mo, keep smiling though as they say!!!
Will post graphs soon although to be honest, I'd rather wait and get JKM to run another dyno check to compare???
Tony,...no worries mate, forgive me I'm having one of them days :shocked:^^^^b!tching & so on,.....I don't think so! :angry:
Anyways, I think we should ask Phil to work his magic on JKM and see what discounts we'd get on running a BLUEFIN RR day :grin:
I'd be up for it,.....before anyone asks, haven't forgotten the graphs from SC, just received some bad news today and things a tad poo at the mo, keep smiling though as they say!!!
Will post graphs soon although to be honest, I'd rather wait and get JKM to run another dyno check to compare???
That wasn't aimed at you, or anyone on here, sorry. I was referring to references on other forums of similar issues.. where they've actually done nothing to attempt to rectify the problem like you have, they've just b!tched and whined and expected to be spoon fed the fix by someone else.
if someone doesn't tell SC there's a problem, how are they supposed to know? They could have sold a million of these, and if only 1 person has complained, then as far as they're concerned, they've only got 1 problem - until now I bet they hadn't realised it might be a "bigger" issue, so they won't have considered looking into their databases. You've all done a great job of highlighting what might be a widespread problem to them, so they can now do for all intents and purposes a "recall" and put everyone's right.
If more people had complained in the first place, then they might have already contacted you by now, updated your map and we'd never have been having this conversation on this thread.
I've now had an email (after sending them an email with my "old" map) from Michael Alvey-Anderson with a "Stage 2 Map for Edition 30 Manual with Exhaust".
Will upload it shortly and report back after a few days...
WOW , not sure what Superchips has sent me but its even quicker than before :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:, and smoother too if im not mistakenI found on my original map, the power release was initially very agressive and then just died,.... :sad:
WOW , not sure what Superchips has sent me but its even quicker than before :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:, and smoother too if im not mistakenI found on my original map, the power release was initially very agressive and then just died,.... :sad:
This of course was confirmed by my result at the JKM RR day,
Now though she is defo quicker, much quicker (which is to be expected) and really smooth which is a plus too :evil:
Blue,...I was the one that drove all the way to SC to complain, took my handset with me and SC did the rest including lord knows how many dyno tests :evil:WOW , not sure what Superchips has sent me but its even quicker than before :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:, and smoother too if im not mistakenI found on my original map, the power release was initially very agressive and then just died,.... :sad:
This of course was confirmed by my result at the JKM RR day,
Now though she is defo quicker, much quicker (which is to be expected) and really smooth which is a plus too :evil:
nice one, did you have the handset ?, if so how do you find out what the maps called on the handset ?
yeh i know it was you, just wondered if you knew what your map was called as a few have the names of the actual file, anyway cant wait to test it out on longer runs see how it feels :evil:Blue,...I was the one that drove all the way to SC to complain, took my handset with me and SC did the rest including lord knows how many dyno tests :evil:WOW , not sure what Superchips has sent me but its even quicker than before :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:, and smoother too if im not mistakenI found on my original map, the power release was initially very agressive and then just died,.... :sad:
This of course was confirmed by my result at the JKM RR day,
Now though she is defo quicker, much quicker (which is to be expected) and really smooth which is a plus too :evil:
nice one, did you have the handset ?, if so how do you find out what the maps called on the handset ?
WOW , not sure what Superchips has sent me but its even quicker than before :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:, and smoother too if im not mistaken
WOW , not sure what Superchips has sent me but its even quicker than before :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:, and smoother too if im not mistaken
I still find all this a bit shocking Shaun. I like you would have no real reason to RR the car apart from a good day out :rolleyes: but if Telboy had not been on the rolling road day then none of this would have come to light, as like you said you would not go on a Rolling road so may have never found out :shocked:
Glad to see your car is living up to its potential. :wink:
PS just an after thought can running this dodgy file for a while have caused any long term damage to peep's cars anyone :undecided:
I hope not TC, anyhow they were running at lower power before so if any its got more chance now :tongue:
Huge improvement :evil: ditto what tellboy, cocopops and blue have said, put it on after I got home from work, you dont have to take it back to stock by the way just load on to handset and rewrites the old one and when you plug in just loads up stage 2 :nerd:
but awesome only been out for 20 min drive but oh my wheel spin, torque steer with esp off is dangerous now, I need some time to get used to the extra power!
thanks tellboy for investigating
I hope not TC, anyhow they were running at lower power before so if any its got more chance now :tongue:
Huge improvement :evil: ditto what tellboy, cocopops and blue have said, put it on after I got home from work, you dont have to take it back to stock by the way just load on to handset and rewrites the old one and when you plug in just loads up stage 2 :nerd:
but awesome only been out for 20 min drive but oh my wheel spin, torque steer with esp off is dangerous now, I need some time to get used to the extra power!
thanks tellboy for investigating
just picked up on this thread - how much are SC charging for the upgrade, and do you have to have an upgraded exhaust system? Cheers :smiley:
I hope not TC, anyhow they were running at lower power before so if any its got more chance now :tongue:
Huge improvement :evil: ditto what tellboy, cocopops and blue have said, put it on after I got home from work, you dont have to take it back to stock by the way just load on to handset and rewrites the old one and when you plug in just loads up stage 2 :nerd:
but awesome only been out for 20 min drive but oh my wheel spin, torque steer with esp off is dangerous now, I need some time to get used to the extra power!
thanks tellboy for investigating
just picked up on this thread - how much are SC charging for the upgrade, and do you have to have an upgraded exhaust system? Cheers :smiley:
It was free for me and everyone else i think, by the sounds they have even upgraded the level 2 free of charge also, might be worth a punt for other owners as im sure it was a chargable job before
mine has no mods. Either, so you should be ok
well you may have an OK map, always worth checking to see though, they say i have been given the latest map, its not clear to me if this is different to the one i just over wrote though as they have not told me, car feels better though :evil:mine has no mods. Either, so you should be ok
ok, thats reassuring, thanks blue :smiley:
well you may have an OK map, always worth checking to see though, they say i have been given the latest map, its not clear to me if this is different to the one i just over wrote though as they have not told me, car feels better though :evil:mine has no mods. Either, so you should be ok
ok, thats reassuring, thanks blue :smiley:
can't halm to check, I got mine when it was first released so may have tweaked it a bit now...? Mine has always felt much quicker than stock so I must have an ok map, but who knows!?
I'm a bit confused though (apologies for being a thicko!), are you (blue) running the stage 2 that gtijames mentions above, or just an 'updated' version of the current map?
after asking what my bluefin serial number was and if I had any other mods, I got this back:
Hello Russell
Thanks for the email
Can confirm your map is best suited for your vehicle
Please do not hesitate to contact us if have any further queries
Regards
Constantin
No more power for me then :sad:
Yeah told them it was Edition 30. Maybe as you say it only affects some of the newer ones, strange that, u'd have thought they would have it bob on by now. If anything I'd expect any problems to be with the first released. Who knows! :undecided:
I hope not TC, anyhow they were running at lower power before so if any its got more chance now :tongue:
Anyone thought of doing some VagCom logs? My first concern over any massive improvement with a new 'file' would be checking the likes of wastegate duty cycle and timing correction.
REVO have an excellent guide to this but from memory log blocks 114, 020, and 031.
Would not hurt to check and could be beneficial for long term reliability!
Ps. would be happy to run some logs on anyones car if they don't have VagCom or VCDS as its now known.
Anyone thought of doing some VagCom logs? My first concern over any massive improvement with a new 'file' would be checking the likes of wastegate duty cycle and timing correction.
REVO have an excellent guide to this but from memory log blocks 114, 020, and 031.
Would not hurt to check and could be beneficial for long term reliability!
Ps. would be happy to run some logs on anyones car if they don't have VagCom or VCDS as its now known.
where abouts are you Makefish? what motor do you have?
oh and welcome to the forum!
:huh: at the pic!!!
........ but as said before, I live in Hampshire but travel around a fair bit so the offer stands of doing a few logs with anyone providing it fits in with my work movements :smiley:
@ Cookie
if you're ever near Merthyr mate let me know and i'll hook up VAG COM for you :smiley:
Enable one plip opening of all doors and boot - two plips used to drive me mad as the wife used to try and rip the handle off!
Auto locking of the doors once over 10mph
Auto unlocking of the doors once the key is removed
Beep confirmation on locking the car. :cool:
What are the best bits to have enabled from Vag-com, im at vRStu's tommorrow, and he has it so might just ask him to enable some bits that are worth switching on.
Auto unlocking of the doors once the key is removed
Auto unlocking of the doors once the key is removed
That aint so clever - basically an invitation for any scrote, or worse to open your doors. Just dont get the need for that one, as the internal door release unlocks the door anyway! :rolleyes:
Auto unlocking of the doors once the key is removed
That aint so clever - basically an invitation for any scrote, or worse to open your doors. Just dont get the need for that one, as the internal door release unlocks the door anyway! :rolleyes:
its called convenience and when people aren't used to it they get a little scared at being locked in :tongue:
that and it saves them ripping off my handles in an effort to get out :laugh: :laugh:
car jacking is becoming an increasingly widespread problem as its easier than breaking in sometimes.
I heard directly from more than one police officer that high performance golfs are a high risk target at the moment. GTI and R32's
I suggest you consider keeping the convenience lock enabled.
The only unlocking one door ,alos stops the scrote jumping into the passenger seat as you go to drive away in the morning!
just my 2p
if i was a carjacker i would just bang the driver on the head, most of them are pretty clued up on this sort of locking system so wouldnt go for the passenger side anyway, locking as you drive away is a must of course
Shaun, Stage two now loaded :evil:
I agree it seems smoother (only a limited drive in rush hour) If I didn't know any better (I don't! ) I'd say the torque spread was wider...........
Shaun, Stage two now loaded :evil:
I agree it seems smoother (only a limited drive in rush hour) If I didn't know any better (I don't! ) I'd say the torque spread was wider...........
yeh, did you get it free ?, its took a bit of getting used to as i think you can confuse sudden burts of power as powerfull (like old map did), this just seems to have constant steady boost all over the range, still more testing to go but im happy
Wheelspinning in third in the dry whilst doing about 40!! :evil:
Wheelspinning in third in the dry whilst doing about 40!! :evil:
....Is that the type of map you like?
Wheelspinning in third in the dry whilst doing about 40!! :evil:
....Is that the type of map you like?
Wheelspinning in third in the dry whilst doing about 40!! :evil:
....Is that the type of map you like?
Being the only map I've ever had I'd have to say yes Robin. The TC picks it up ok but there's a definate power hike over the first map.
having tested out stage 2 on mine for a few drives I am still not overly happy, true it seems alot more smoother especially in lower gears and you seem to be going faster without booting it so much, but im not sure who else is using stage 2 bf with dsg, but 1-2 seems good and same with 2-3, but 3-4, 4-5 and 5-6 there is so much of a delay when accelerating right up to the red line and changing up using paddles, you get close to red line change up and with foot firmly on the throttle it seems to cut out for a few seconds before the higher gear kicks in then its all good, but still there was not so much a delay with old map, it almost feels like the delay when using a manual :tongue:
acceleration to 60 and 80 seems quicker but top end from 80 to 120/140 it seems to take longer than previous map, need to get this on rollers to really see what a difference it makes I also think i need to run it in more on the new map and see if it improves and also try in s mode is any better.
will see, if to no avail revo here i come :grin: