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Model specific boards => Golf mk5 => Topic started by: SteveP on 06 October 2008, 11:10
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I will have the letter to VW completed later today and want to get as many names as possible, I have a few emails from some people not on the forum (yes I was surprise too that other forums exist :grin:), but also think there are a few owners from here missing, this is the people I have so far (in no particular order): -
Phil (Office Dibble / Parking Attendant) Mc
CocoPops
John_o
Stokeballon
SKAVIA
Garethmk1
GolfGirl
Moschops
Mikebgti
182_blue
Makaveli
Greenouse
LSC
Hotrod
Carl1
Luca
MatED30
Hurdy
marshmallow
E30M3
Deebanktreasure
So if you can think of any other owners not on the list please let me know. :smiley:
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i thought there would be more if im honest , anyway keep up the good work mate
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i thought there would be more if im honest , anyway keep up the good work mate
Me too, I have 12 others name via email so that only 28 :sad:
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perhaps they didn't over sell them after all LOL
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i sent u an email with my detail :rolleyes:
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i sent u an email with my detail :rolleyes:
Sorry I have manflu today :sick:
You did email me and I have received it (list updated above). :smiley:
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Steve, you have PM. :cool:
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Steve, you have PM. :cool:
Thanks Hurdy, How could we nearly forget you :smiley:
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:lipsrsealed: :lipsrsealed: hate to say this but 28 names out of 2300 arnt too great :undecided:
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sorry for being thick but I missed what the letter is about?
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sorry for being thick but I missed what the letter is about?
:grin: :grin: whereve you been!!!
ed30 was over run by about 800 cars, and VW lied to ed30 owners. many many times :smiley:
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I bought two - still have one so count me in... I was actually wondering what had happenned to this issue yesterday. To be honest, I feel very very strongly about it and wish I had the time to give VW a really hard time. Suffice to say it WILL influence my decision to buy new VW models in the future. I have already mentally passed on the Mk6 GTI and this was one of the factors - I don't want to give my money to a cynical company like VW who take their loyal customers for granted. Rant over :rolleyes: Just noticed that this will be my 1500th post - how ironic... What details do you need?
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I bought two - still have one so count me in... I was actually wondering what had happenned to this issue yesterday. To be honest, I feel very very strongly about it and wish I had the time to give VW a really hard time. Suffice to say it WILL influence my decision to buy new VW models in the future. I have already mentally passed on the Mk6 GTI and this was one of the factors - I don't want to give my money to a cynical company like VW who take their loyal customers for granted. Rant over :rolleyes: Just noticed that this will be my 1500th post - how ironic... What details do you need?
illyun, if you can PM me your full name and reg number then I will add it to the letter.
Thanks,
Steve :smiley:
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May i suggest that in order to get a bigger count you take a look on the forums with a "Register your edition 30" topic? There are lots of names there and if worst comes to worst you can pop all the owners a mass PM.
That way your number of 28 will look significantly larger and may even go over 1500 people which will prove VW lied.
Mike
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Pm sent to Steve !
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May i suggest that in order to get a bigger count you take a look on the forums with a "Register your edition 30" topic? There are lots of names there and if worst comes to worst you can pop all the owners a mass PM.
That way your number of 28 will look significantly larger and may even go over 1500 people which will prove VW lied.
Mike
Has already been done by 182_blue last week but there has been much interest from there either. :sad:
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Add me please
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Hmmm
At this point I think you should make it public knowledge.
1. Most owners of the GTi bought it cos it had extra power not cos it is limited.
2. I dont think many people care that they went over the run of 1500 as they have their car and thats all that matters to them.
3. Most people do not even know that the car went over its limited edition run.
I think you should take it up a level.
1. Get an email through to VWVortex.com. They are huge in the VAG world.
2. Get at least three people from every forum to email car magazines etc about the issue.
3. Dont focus on one dealership. Focus on as many dealerships as possible.
4. Email AutoExpress, car magazine and even send a few emails through to Topgear, Fifth gear.
IF you want to get VW's attention you have to hit back hard. Attack from all angles. No large company (Especially VW) wants bad publicity. Once you have car dealers emailing VW HQ for answers, Once you have Topgear commenting on it. Once you have VWVortex possibly putting it as a frontpage article on their webpage then you guys will get that placque.
I run a branding business that deals with exactly what you will be receiving from VW and I can tell you that I will have those placques to you all in under three weeks. To each of your personal home addresses. VW is talking rubbish and fobbing you off.
If you need help I can email a few people who I know that might be able to get VW moving.
Mike :smiley:
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Email sent to Steve with details.
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Add me please
Hi marshmallow, as your not have enough posts to PM yet please email me (ed30@stevepound.co.uk) your full name and reg number.
Thanks,
Steve
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Can I be in this too :)
I am in malta though and proud to say that I have the only ED30 in this island :)
Let me know
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Now that right there ^^^^ Is special edition! :evil:
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Hmmm
At this point I think you should make it public knowledge.
1. Most owners of the GTi bought it cos it had extra power not cos it is limited.
2. I dont think many people care that they went over the run of 1500 as they have their car and thats all that matters to them.
3. Most people do not even know that the car went over its limited edition run.
I think you should take it up a level.
1. Get an email through to VWVortex.com. They are huge in the VAG world.
2. Get at least three people from every forum to email car magazines etc about the issue.
3. Dont focus on one dealership. Focus on as many dealerships as possible.
4. Email AutoExpress, car magazine and even send a few emails through to Topgear, Fifth gear.
IF you want to get VW's attention you have to hit back hard. Attack from all angles. No large company (Especially VW) wants bad publicity. Once you have car dealers emailing VW HQ for answers, Once you have Topgear commenting on it. Once you have VWVortex possibly putting it as a frontpage article on their webpage then you guys will get that placque.
I run a branding business that deals with exactly what you will be receiving from VW and I can tell you that I will have those placques to you all in under three weeks. To each of your personal home addresses. VW is talking rubbish and fobbing you off.
If you need help I can email a few people who I know that might be able to get VW moving.
Mike :smiley:
Agreed.. but there is one small problem with all that. The guys complaining (myself included) all own Ed30's and it wouldn't be in our interests if suddenly there was some kind of 'black mark' against the car that devalued it. :sick:
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Hmmm
At this point I think you should make it public knowledge.
1. Most owners of the GTi bought it cos it had extra power not cos it is limited.
2. I dont think many people care that they went over the run of 1500 as they have their car and thats all that matters to them.
3. Most people do not even know that the car went over its limited edition run.
I think you should take it up a level.
1. Get an email through to VWVortex.com. They are huge in the VAG world.
2. Get at least three people from every forum to email car magazines etc about the issue.
3. Dont focus on one dealership. Focus on as many dealerships as possible.
4. Email AutoExpress, car magazine and even send a few emails through to Topgear, Fifth gear.
IF you want to get VW's attention you have to hit back hard. Attack from all angles. No large company (Especially VW) wants bad publicity. Once you have car dealers emailing VW HQ for answers, Once you have Topgear commenting on it. Once you have VWVortex possibly putting it as a frontpage article on their webpage then you guys will get that placque.
I run a branding business that deals with exactly what you will be receiving from VW and I can tell you that I will have those placques to you all in under three weeks. To each of your personal home addresses. VW is talking rubbish and fobbing you off.
If you need help I can email a few people who I know that might be able to get VW moving.
Mike :smiley:
Agreed.. but there is one small problem with all that. The guys complaining (myself included) all own Ed30's and it wouldn't be in our interests if suddenly there was some kind of 'black mark' against the car that devalued it. :sick:
I fully agree illyun :smiley:
All of this poor communication and lack of customer service from VW does wind me up but I still own a great car.
Would this put me off buying another VW in the future? Realistically No.
That is exactly why I am approaching this complaint with VW in a professional but firm manner and not just running off to "all and sundry" shouting about how cr*p VW and ED30 are.
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That is true Illyun.
However think of it this way. It not only gets the car itself more attention but will solve your problem. At first you may lose slight value but in the long run once you have the placques etc the value will stay.
Alternatively. There are about three other editions out there and the MK6 GTi is on the horizon. I am not in the Uk but it seems that the MK5 is holding its value pretty well so far. So why would this make any difference?
IF you can get the placques before the MK6 GTi is released then you are safe. I reckon that once the MK6 is out you will become a "Black MarK". But then again. Without having the placques you are also a "Black Mark" because nobody believes that the car is special edition.
Either way. By pushing VW for this they might learn (Like Renault did) the hard way not to screw its loyal customers around. :nerd:
SteveP- Nowhere did I mention the car or VW was crap. If you are sold a kettle that boils water in ten seconds and in reality it only boils it in 50 seconds and you payed a premium for that kettle. Would you be satisfied? Of course not. You paid a premium for the Edition 30. Yes it comes with colourcoding, bigger turbo etc but you also payed because only 1500 were being made. Much like the kettle a brand like VW Should uphold their name and not lie.
Mike
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PM sent Steve.
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Do you have an Edition 30 Sixpot?
No offence but that looks like a standard GTi :laugh:
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Guys i cant see how you are ever going to get plaques without a court case first.
If they issue plaques then once they get passed 1500 then are they not admitting that they produced more, opening them selves up to being sued.
I think even fred west pleaded not guilty and this after they found women everywhere on his property.
I just cant see it happening without official proof one way or the other. :sad:
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Guys i cant see how you are ever going to get plaques without a court case first.
If they issue plaques then once they get passed 1500 then are they not admitting that they produced more, opening them selves up to being sued.
I think even fred west pleaded not guilty and this after they found women everywhere on his property.
I just cant see it happening without official proof one way or the other. :sad:
Have faith cat man :laugh:
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I will have the letter to VW completed later today and want to get as many names as possible, I have a few emails from some people not on the forum (yes I was surprise too that other forums exist :grin:), but also think there are a few owners from here missing, this is the people I have so far (in no particular order): -
Phil (Office Dibble / Parking Attendant) Mc
CocoPops
John_o
Stokeballon
SKAVIA
Garethmk1
GolfGirl
Moschops
Mikebgti
182_blue
Makaveli
Greenouse
LSC
Hotrod
Carl1
Luca
MatED30
Hurdy
marshmallow
E30M3
Deebanktreasure
So if you can think of any other owners not on the list please let me know. :smiley:
i m not on the list but i e mailed you (candy turbo ) cheers
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Hmmm
At this point I think you should make it public knowledge.
1. Most owners of the GTi bought it cos it had extra power not cos it is limited.
2. I dont think many people care that they went over the run of 1500 as they have their car and thats all that matters to them.
3. Most people do not even know that the car went over its limited edition run.
I think you should take it up a level.
1. Get an email through to VWVortex.com. They are huge in the VAG world.
2. Get at least three people from every forum to email car magazines etc about the issue.
3. Dont focus on one dealership. Focus on as many dealerships as possible.
4. Email AutoExpress, car magazine and even send a few emails through to Topgear, Fifth gear.
IF you want to get VW's attention you have to hit back hard. Attack from all angles. No large company (Especially VW) wants bad publicity. Once you have car dealers emailing VW HQ for answers, Once you have Topgear commenting on it. Once you have VWVortex possibly putting it as a frontpage article on their webpage then you guys will get that placque.
I run a branding business that deals with exactly what you will be receiving from VW and I can tell you that I will have those placques to you all in under three weeks. To each of your personal home addresses. VW is talking rubbish and fobbing you off.
If you need help I can email a few people who I know that might be able to get VW moving.
Mike :smiley:
This is exactly what we need to do - I expressed this in a post not so long ago - to contact the wider motoring media - I'm sure that if VW get enough bad press - things would hurry along quite quickly.
Regards,
Gareth
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Missed me :undecided:
Real name: Steve Shaw
Mines poorly at the moment, getting its gearbox stripped only 4k on the clock :angry:
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:laugh: another Steve to the Mix!
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What about Vtec Abuser...
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Hmmm
At this point I think you should make it public knowledge.
1. Most owners of the GTi bought it cos it had extra power not cos it is limited.
2. I dont think many people care that they went over the run of 1500 as they have their car and thats all that matters to them.
3. Most people do not even know that the car went over its limited edition run.
I think you should take it up a level.
1. Get an email through to VWVortex.com. They are huge in the VAG world.
2. Get at least three people from every forum to email car magazines etc about the issue.
3. Dont focus on one dealership. Focus on as many dealerships as possible.
4. Email AutoExpress, car magazine and even send a few emails through to Topgear, Fifth gear.
IF you want to get VW's attention you have to hit back hard. Attack from all angles. No large company (Especially VW) wants bad publicity. Once you have car dealers emailing VW HQ for answers, Once you have Topgear commenting on it. Once you have VWVortex possibly putting it as a frontpage article on their webpage then you guys will get that placque.
I run a branding business that deals with exactly what you will be receiving from VW and I can tell you that I will have those placques to you all in under three weeks. To each of your personal home addresses. VW is talking rubbish and fobbing you off.
If you need help I can email a few people who I know that might be able to get VW moving.
Mike :smiley:
This is exactly what we need to do - I expressed this in a post not so long ago - to contact the wider motoring media - I'm sure that if VW get enough bad press - things would hurry along quite quickly.
Regards,
Gareth
Im telling you. Do this and you will get those placques. No company ever wants bad publicity. And its not evil or unloyal. Its simple. You paid for something and VW conned you. No offence guys.
But you are taking it way to gently irrespective of "Black Marks" and such.
Mike
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Wait. let me rephrase that.
Threaten VW with taking it to the public. If they dont respond them make it public cos it shows just how dishonest they are being.
Either way you and the poor guys that buy the need edition X are scoring.
Mike
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Do you have an Edition 30 Sixpot?
No offence but that looks like a standard GTi :laugh:
The grey car is a 'regular' GTI, but is not standard by any means! and I can confirm the red car in the picture is deffo an Ed30 Mike!!! this is the car I'm notifying Steve about.
People might be a little confused with the 19" Monza 2's though!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v47/sixpot/CIMG0309.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v47/sixpot/CIMG0176.jpg)
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Sorry mate. The pic didnt load on the other page. So all I saw was: PM Sent and then your sig :embarassed:
Nice 19" rims though :drool:
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PM'd.
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Wait. let me rephrase that.
Threaten VW with taking it to the public. If they dont respond them make it public cos it shows just how dishonest they are being.
Either way you and the poor guys that buy the need edition X are scoring.
Mike
I am glad you did rephrase that Mike. :rolleyes:
However you still seem to have the impression that I am not a commercially aware person and I am going to let VW walk all over me?
Having this "Im telling you. Do this...." attitude really doesn't help get your point across.
Steve
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What about Vtec Abuser...
Yeah, what about me.. :cry:
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What about Vtec Abuser...
Yeah, what about me.. :cry:
Where have you been there's only been about 10 threads on the subject! :grin:
PM me your name and reg number then you shall be added to the complaint list being sent to VW. :smiley:
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What about Vtec Abuser...
Yeah, what about me.. :cry:
Where have you been there's only been about 10 threads on the subject! :grin:
PM me your name and reg number then you shall be added to the complaint list being sent to VW. :smiley:
Sorry fella.. PM sent.
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^^^ No worries, good to have you on board :smiley:
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have you done an up dated list yet steve ? how many we up to now ? :huh:
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Hello
Sorry if my posts seem a bit bossy and I am fully aware that you are commercially aware. I however personally feel that it is being taken too lightly.
I think that making this situation public is the only way you are going to get those badges. If America can sell 4000 .:R32's with badges and not get one wrong then why cant VW UK issue 1500 or more badges? They are taking chances and I agree that taking it in a peaceful manner will probably work. But taking that into consideration how long have the Ed30 owners been waiting for these badges now?
As I said. I can make a badge of the exact if not better quality of the versions VW apparently have produced and have it on your doorstep in two weeks. Why cant they do it?
VW are a huge brand and to be honest I dont think they care too much about the placques. I feel that is disgraceful as it shows just how poor the relationship with their customers have become.
Mike
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Will those badges make you go faster or something? :huh:
It's like a chihuahua "barking" at a German Shepperd... :lipsrsealed:
Activism is great but the only way I see it make any ripples is if you take VW to court.
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May i suggest that in order to get a bigger count you take a look on the forums with a "Register your edition 30" topic? There are lots of names there and if worst comes to worst you can pop all the owners a mass PM.
That way your number of 28 will look significantly larger and may even go over 1500 people which will prove VW lied.
Mike
Has already been done by 182_blue last week but there has been much interest from there either. :sad:
SteveP - how about another aproach which might be more fruitful in boosting responses?, though you may have to hold fire for a month or two before sending your letter to VWUK.
Have you thought about contacting Volkswagen Driver mag, and getting them to do an article on these two specific plights of the Ed30 (overbuild and lack of plaques)? Maybe see if you can get a small group of you together for a "group interview", and photo session with VW Driver mag, raising your concerns in a mature and adult and reasonably way (just like you are now :wink:). Maybe e-mail Neil Birkitt of Autometrix - the Editor of the mag, and in the e-mail, include links of all the different forums threads on this issue. Volkswagen Driver are a very highly regard magazine, and not your "sensationalist" journo stuff like TopGear mag, and dare I say even EVO. His e-mail addy is Neil<dot>Birkitt<at>autometrix<dot>co<dot>uk
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in not on lift?
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Hmmm
At this point I think you should make it public knowledge.
I agree, though it does need to be done with "tact" and restraint, rather than a "bull in a china shop" aproach. :smiley:
1. Most owners of the GTi bought it cos it had extra power not cos it is limited.
I take it that was a typo, and you actually meant to add "Edition 30". :tongue: And whilst I agree with your stance on the extra power, I disagree with the "limited" point.
2. I dont think many people care that they went over the run of 1500 as they have their car and thats all that matters to them.
3. Most people do not even know that the car went over its limited edition run.
For point 2, I disagree. The GTI, in whatever guise, is an "enthusiasts car" - and even more so in the Ed30. Therefore, I would strongly suspect that the vast majority of original owners of the Ed30 will have done some "research" before purchasing. Weather they are actually "registered members" of forums such of this can miss the point, as many peeps will simply Google "GTI Edition 30", and read whatever results they find. There will be a mix of sites, such as Vortex, all the various "blog" sites, and then the forums. For the forums, they will probably just read the relevant thread as a "guest", and then move onto the next result from the search. So basically, there will be a huge awareness that the car was sold as a limited run of just 1500 units. :wink:
However, for your point 3, I do tend to agree. Many, many Ed30 will have just picked up their car from the stealers, and not bothered following the internet sites - but are just enjoying ownership of what is a truely excellent motor car. So I reckon there are a considerable number of Ed30 who are not aware that the limited production over-run by quite some margin. :smiley:
I think you should take it up a level.
Which is exactly what SteveP is doing, by going to VWUK. Ever heard of the old saying - "you must learn to walk before you can run"? One really needs to let VWUK have a proper bite at the cherry, before moving on up the chain. To side-step VWUK will probably just get their backs up.
1. Get an email through to VWVortex.com. They are huge in the VAG world.
Bollox. VWvortex may be "big", but amongst the very small nuggets of good info, they are literally swamped with utter crap. Vortex is just like all yankie sites, AudiWorld and AudiZine are also both horrendous. Even the "editorial" content of their sites publish utter nonsence. For example, AudiWorld adamantly state that the B6 and B7 S4 had "FSI" - which is pure fantasy and lies! :angry: On another yankie Audi site, they are adamant that the B7 RS4 was NOT produced in an Avant version - again, pure BS.
Sorry, but getting any of the US sites involved would be an extremely bad idea, and should anyone actually referr VWUK to such sites, they VWUK would simply kick it into touch without any further consideration. All the yankie sites (apart from the official AoA ad VWoA press sites) are not seen as a "reliable source".
Forgive me if I appear a little hostile or agressive on this issue - but I have way to much experience of the sheer arrogance on the yank sites, and those who know better will actually give them a "wide berth". :smiley:
2. Get at least three people from every forum to email car magazines etc about the issue.
I agree wholeheartedly about trying to maximise numbers, but the "blanket aproach" you suggest wont really be the ideal way. Would VWUK really take any notice of "MaxPower" mag? :sick: Or would they take any notice of dare I say, SCN? Whilst SCN is a valuble resource, they, by the nature of their forum title, concentrate on Seats. Yes, their members may also have Ed30s, but VWUK will quite rightly say that a Seat website is totally irrelevant to a Volkswagen issue.
3. Dont focus on one dealership. Focus on as many dealerships as possible.
It depends on what you mean by "focus". For individuals, then their contract of sale will be with their supplying stealer, but for the kind of "group action" which SteveP is persuing, then the dealers are sort of now out of the loop. However, I reckon it would be a good idea to simply mass mail all the stealers, but simply just highlighting the issues, and actually ask them to refer any such owners to contact SteveP directly, or go straight to VWUK. Afterall, the stealer didn't actually build the cars.
4. Email AutoExpress, car magazine and even send a few emails through to Topgear, Fifth gear.
I don't really agree, and I reckon it might be pointless. None of those are seen as any kind of "specialist source" for Dubs - and specifically referring to FifthGear, they are generally seen as an utter joke, with very, very little hard consumer-type of info. Indeed, Stiff Needles and Jason Prato would actually have you believe that a true test of a cars ability is to see how far you can get the back end out on a race track. If you were ever caught doing that in the UK, on public road, you would get prosecuted for dangerous driving, and probably loose your driving licence. Nope, FifthGear should be seen purely as entertainment, but for them to in any way endorse their driving antics on public roads is utterly irresponsible.
For those reasons, VWUK would completely discount any exposure from the above suggestions, and with some of the more useless examples, may actually jeopardise the real issues.
IF you want to get VW's attention you have to hit back hard. Attack from all angles. No large company (Especially VW) wants bad publicity. Once you have car dealers emailing VW HQ for answers,
I agree that VWUK need a poke hard enough to take the matter more seriously. But by simply "carpet bombing" them indescrimiately from all angles will probably just wind them up, and alienate the real cause (the Germans didn't really take to that 65 years ago! :tongue: :wink:). And I agree about the bad publicity issue, but to go straight for the jugular will really just get them on their "defensive", and will be less likely to achive a satisfactory outcome - compared to a much more restrained, logical and methodical aproach.
Once you have Topgear commenting on it. Once you have VWVortex possibly putting it as a frontpage article on their webpage then you guys will get that placque.
Bad move. Very bad move. Especially the Vortex comment. Put anything remotely derrogatory on a yank site, and with their very narrow minds they will simply bad mouth VW. :sick: That will REALLY get the backs up at VW. :rolleyes:
The TopGear TV show may produce results, but it would be a very high-risk strategy. TopGear seriously divide opinions - whlist some worship the show, others would see it banished into the deepest anals of hell forever. Sure, JC is a GTI "fan", but I strongly doubt you could get a serious "consumer" piece from them, with the restrained but finely targeted aproach which these issues need.
I run a branding business that deals with exactly what you will be receiving from VW and I can tell you that I will have those placques to you all in under three weeks. To each of your personal home addresses. VW is talking rubbish and fobbing you off.
I agree with the sentiment of your comment, but I don't think that the actual manufacture of the plaques is the real issue. The real problem, from what I can gather, is that VWUK really just can't be ar$ed to actually make them in the first place. Logistics wise, once the design was signed off, and the tooling made, then from sheet metal to door mat will take 5 working days.
If you need help I can email a few people who I know that might be able to get VW moving.
Who do you have in mind?
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Hey
I take it that was a typo, and you actually meant to add "Edition 30". And whilst I agree with your stance on the extra power, I disagree with the "limited" point.
Yes. Slight typo. I was referring to the Edition 30. Not the GTi. Can I ask why it is you disagree with me saying that most owners dont care that the Edition 30 is limited? You said it yourself later in your post. You agreed that some people didnt even know it was a limited run and then contradicted yourself by saying that people bought it for that reason.
For point 2, I disagree. The GTI, in whatever guise, is an "enthusiasts car" - and even more so in the Ed30. Therefore, I would strongly suspect that the vast majority of original owners of the Ed30 will have done some "research" before purchasing. Weather they are actually "registered members" of forums such of this can miss the point, as many peeps will simply Google "GTI Edition 30", and read whatever results they find. There will be a mix of sites, such as Vortex, all the various "blog" sites, and then the forums. For the forums, they will probably just read the relevant thread as a "guest", and then move onto the next result from the search. So basically, there will be a huge awareness that the car was sold as a limited run of just 1500 units.
I agree. There are people that bought the GTi because it was limited. But can I highlight something that is closer to heart. In this forum whenever a car is brought up it is always the power etc that is focused on and then the looks. To say that the Gti is "enthusiasts car" does not apply to the majority of people that own GTi's and Edition 30's. Most people bought it because it (As has been said on numerous occasions on this forum) is an all rounder. Not because it is thirty years old and full of heritage. Much like the open fog grill debate it is mearely your personal opinion. My mother owns a GTi and is not an enthusiast at all. Whereas I am and I have ordered a Smart Car. Thats living proof of what I am saying.
Which is exactly what SteveP is doing, by going to VWUK. Ever heard of the old saying - "you must learn to walk before you can run"? One really needs to let VWUK have a proper bite at the cherry, before moving on up the chain. To side-step VWUK will probably just get their backs up.
Throughout your post you have expressed concern about upsetting VW. That is understandable.
Please explain though why we have democratic elections where masses of people make decisions that result in which president runs their country?
Why do we hold polls to find about issues in society or simply which rims to choose?
We do this because irrespective of the situation mass power always wins. The Russian Revolution, French Revolution and even Apartheid in South Africa. Mass action played a huge role in these historical events. Perhaps a placque from VW is not as important as important as over a thousand black students dying in Soweto in 1974 but the concept is the same.
If you want action you have to head for the jungular. If storming VW with negetive press is needed then so be it.
Everyone seems to be saying that we must give VW time. Rubbish.
The Edition 30 was released in 2006. It is now two years later. People have been upset about the overun for at least a year and a half already and have been complaining.
Why should you give VW more time? They have had more than enough. If a few placques had been issued as promised and we knew more were coming then fairplay. Deal with VWUK and play nicely. But after being lied to about 1500 cars only and then promised placques that have yet to arrive with some dealers never having heard of them.... Why should it be taken gently? If the GTi is such an enthusiast car then VW should value these loyal customers.
I agree wholeheartedly about trying to maximise numbers, but the "blanket aproach" you suggest wont really be the ideal way. Would VWUK really take any notice of "MaxPower" mag? Or would they take any notice of dare I say, SCN? Whilst SCN is a valuble resource, they, by the nature of their forum title, concentrate on Seats. Yes, their members may also have Ed30s, but VWUK will quite rightly say that a Seat website is totally irrelevant to a Volkswagen issue.
Perhaps my thoughts have not been too clear on why this is a good idea. The reason i suggested this is not to make VW look in a Macpower mag and say. "Oh my the secret is out". Much like you said about people just typing in "Edition 30" and clicking search and moving on to the next website after that, well word of mouth is just as useful. If it out there and people (Especially those owners that dont know the car is a limited run and that placques have been promised) read about it they will also start emailing VW. Its easy to ignore 40 users off a car forum. But 1400 or customers is not something they can just slip under the carpet. Renault got into huge trouble for it and so should VW. By alerting the media it not only informs others but can also get more people onto your side. Which inevitably means you might stand a chance of getting those placques before the next ice age.
It depends on what you mean by "focus". For individuals, then their contract of sale will be with their supplying stealer, but for the kind of "group action" which SteveP is persuing, then the dealers are sort of now out of the loop. However, I reckon it would be a good idea to simply mass mail all the stealers, but simply just highlighting the issues, and actually ask them to refer any such owners to contact SteveP directly, or go straight to VWUK. Afterall, the stealer didn't actually build the cars.
This true. I wholeheartedly agree. I figured that three or four dealers questioning VWUK would not have made as much impact as say every dealer questioning (Which would also make VW realise that this is serious).
Bad move. Very bad move. Especially the Vortex comment. Put anything remotely derrogatory on a yank site, and with their very narrow minds they will simply bad mouth VW. That will REALLY get the backs up at VW.
The TopGear TV show may produce results, but it would be a very high-risk strategy. TopGear seriously divide opinions - whlist some worship the show, others would see it banished into the deepest anals of hell forever. Sure, JC is a GTI "fan", but I strongly doubt you could get a serious "consumer" piece from them, with the restrained but finely targeted aproach which these issues need.
Much like the Yingyang with good comes bad. Yes Topgear commenting on the Edition 30 might anger VW. But then again. Is it not TopGear that sold the MK5 GTi to you in the first place? If they hadnt raved about it most people would not have bought it. I agree they are not the only form of media that tests cars but my mom and even Redrobin (If I remember correctly) said that if Jermemy Clarkson or Topgear says its good. Then it must be. This applies to certain people. For one Im certain that you (As in you TT) didnt buy the car cos Clarkson said it was good. You bought it because of your affiliation with the VAG brand and your technical background etc. But for 90% percent of the people out there they bought it because of Topgear and the reviews. This proves that it works. So why not use it?
Who do you have in mind?
I have friends at jaguar and Lamborghini etc and although this sounds irrelevent they are very close to VW SA and I can have contact with the Director of VW South Africa through them by simply asking them to pop him an email about the concerns. Although this is South Africa Im certain VWUK would be concerned if even someone from South Africa was worried which might get them moving because as I have said many times. Bad Media, bad perceptions will kill a brand.
With regards to VWVortex I agree. It probably is not best to involve them. But it is yet another medium through which you could get those placques. I mean no disrespect to SteveP but I dont see you getting those placques by being nice.
I may not have an Edition 30 or my very own GTi. But if I ordered a Smart Car with a sunroof and it came with a plastic bag on the roof then I would not be satisfied. You bought a car called the Edition 30. Irrespective of wether you knew it was limited run or not you have not received what you paid a premium towards.
Please be aware that everything written here is in good will. If I caused offence I opologise in advance.
Mike
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I will PM when I build up 10 posts, and figure out how to do it
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Add me please
Hi marshmallow, as your not have enough posts to PM yet please email me (ed30@stevepound.co.uk) your full name and reg number.
Thanks,
Steve
you got email
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Guy's, lets not forget the plaques are physically at VW HQ in Milton Keynes. We will get them, it's just a matter of when.
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Guy's, lets not forget the plaques are physically at VW HQ in Milton Keynes. We will get them, it's just a matter of when.
do we know this for sure though, as nobody seems to have actually seen them ?
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any one live near vw hq just call in :wink: and ask if you can have a look
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How comes I'm not on the list?
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Guy's, lets not forget the plaques are physically at VW HQ in Milton Keynes. We will get them, it's just a matter of when.
do we know this for sure though, as nobody seems to have actually seen them ?
I know this for sure yes.
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Can't pm yet so email sent.
Rich.
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Can't pm yet so email sent.
Rich.
Pop over to the "new member introductions" section of the forum, and that will soon get your post count up! :wink: :smiley:
http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?board=29.0
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Guy's, lets not forget the plaques are physically at VW HQ in Milton Keynes. We will get them, it's just a matter of when.
do we know this for sure though, as nobody seems to have actually seen them ?
I know this for sure yes.
What, you have actually seen them? :huh: :smiley: