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Model specific boards => Golf mk5 => Topic started by: telboy on 04 October 2008, 20:05
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Hi all,...
As most of you would have read, my results for the rolling day in Portsmouth weren't great :cry:
Now, I paid £450 for a remap that has given me around 20bhp increase over standard. The remap is a bluefin. The results show a possible glitch in the file that has been loaded onto my car so it may be sorted with a posible re load of a new file.
My question is, (bearing in mind although it is just a car, I'm p*ssed off!) :angry:
If you were in my shoes and were near the Superchips HO this very Monday morning, would you just turn up and demand they get it sorted??
I would really apprecaite your views, I'm not expected 3 trillion bhp, just a little bit closer to the so called claimed 307bhp!!! To be honest I'd be happy if they could get it closer to 280!!!
Many thanks in advance for both your time and views/opinions. :wink:
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Dude, I'd be pissed off if I paid £££ for a remap that didn't work.
I'd definitely go in to Superchips and have a chat, but probably best to do it calmly, with the RR results in hand. Think you got the remapped and stock printouts so you can show to compare.
TBH I was quite surprised you didn't do too well.
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All Marques Jokes aside it was gutting to see yours do so badly. was good of them to let you return to standard and re-run.
I would be at their door first thing Monday - you done a fair few miles with this kit fitted and the car is far from perfect.
Good luck.
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No point going in angry. It could be a fault with the map, or it could be a fault with your car. Give them a chance to rectify it, if they can't then get a refund and move on to the next tuner.
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just go in with the facts and see what they do, if its not a good result you get post it up on here, they wont do themselves any favours, ps are you sure its the map ?, or could it be something else that only shows up when more boost etc is used ?
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I agree with all the above. Go in calm, fair but firm. Are you sure you are not having any DV issues as yours is remapped?
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Hi Terry,
Good to meet you today :smiley:
I think if you are able to get to see them in person then thats probably not a bad idea, but as NewGolf said with a calm and firm manner.
Hope you get it sorted.
Steve
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I agree with all the above. Go in calm, fair but firm. Are you sure you are not having any DV issues as yours is remapped?
I thought that although the guys at JKM seem to think this isn't the case as once back to stock the graph is pretty much bang on the money and they were quite sure it would show up even on standard if the DV had gone???
If it is the DV then hopefully that would be a quick fix, I'm due in Superchips first thing and booked in at JKM for Weds am just in case!!
Other than a rolling orad, is there any obvious signs that a DV has gone, noises etc???
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Definitely calm and firm.
Could just have been a glitch in the map they gave you.
This is what I'd do - Tell them about your issues/why you are unhappy (rightfully so), and then get them to reload the map on, and for them to arrange for a rolling road to be done (at their expense) to prove to you that their promise of achieving around the 280-305hp mark is being achieve. :smiley:
Although I didnt speak to you today, it was good to put a face to a name!
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Hi Terry,
Good to meet you today :smiley:
I think if you are able to get to see them in person then thats probably not a bad idea, but as NewGolf said with a calm and firm manner.
Hope you get it sorted.
Steve
Steve
Great to catch up with you too mate, although not sure it was a good idea showing me your RNS 510 as I want one now,....
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Hi Terry,
Good to meet you today :smiley:
I think if you are able to get to see them in person then thats probably not a bad idea, but as NewGolf said with a calm and firm manner.
Hope you get it sorted.
Steve
Steve
Great to catch up with you too mate, although not sure it was a good idea showing me your RNS 510 as I want one now,....
I am surprised I made it out of Portsmouth the RNS-510 still in my car as everyone seems to want it :laugh: :laugh:
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I am surprised I made it out of Portsmouth the RNS-510 still in my car as everyone seems to want it :laugh: :laugh:
It was proper lush mate. I'm defo saving up for one.
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I am surprised I made it out of Portsmouth the RNS-510 still in my car as everyone seems to want it :laugh: :laugh:
It was proper lush mate. I'm defo saving up for one.
what is
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y8/182_blue/DSCF0320.jpg)
:laugh:
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^^^ That cruel.
But funny :laugh: :laugh:
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Hi Terry,
Good to meet you today :smiley:
I think if you are able to get to see them in person then thats probably not a bad idea, but as NewGolf said with a calm and firm manner.
Hope you get it sorted.
Steve
Steve
Great to catch up with you too mate, although not sure it was a good idea showing me your RNS 510 as I want one now,....
I am surprised I made it out of Portsmouth the RNS-510 still in my car as everyone seems to want it :laugh: :laugh:
Steve
you want to check your stereo mate is it just might be a cardboard cut out with a MFD2 hid behind!!! :grin: :grin:
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I dont rate Bluefin to be honest based on various online reviews and knowing a few people who have it.
What you should do is get a refund and get Revo on there IMO. I dont think there has been a bad Revo result yet.
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I dont rate Bluefin to be honest based on various online reviews and knowing a few people who have it.
What you should do is get a refund and get Revo on there IMO. I dont think there has been a bad Revo result yet.
Good advice!!!!
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Good to meet you, Tony Terry :afro:
As everyone has said - Polite but firm - You get more with honey than you do with vinegar! (Ask any female).
IIRC, your plots were very lumpy with a big dip. I'm no expert but I think that's what shows something as wrong, not just max numbers.
As everyone knows, my Revo Stage2 was well down from expectations but at least the curves were all smooth and in correct proportion to each other. I made the mistake of letting her idle for at least 15 minutes before rolling - Duh!! But as I posted elsewhere, I'm confident in Revo and know they'll sort it out - I don't have to think how I should approach them because I know they'll want to get it right of their own accord without prompting. I'm seeing the Revo guys at Castle Combe next weekend anyway.
What exhaust do you have?
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Just to add to this..
I have Revo stage 1 on a standard GTi and mine made 231bhp on the rollers, a little lower than I was expecting if I'm honest. I'm very happy with how the car drives, and 30bhp extra over standard is enough to keep me happy so I'm not bothered. The point I'm making is that sometimes expectations get a bit beyond what's realistic. This probably isn't helped by the over optimistic gains quoted by the tuning companies themselves.
Also, for some reason, probably due to the smaller turbo in the standard GTi, we don't see the gains that the ED30 boys see with their K04 turbos. I reckon, on a standard GTi all you can realistically expect from a remap on it's own is around a 30bhp gain..
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Ignore everyone, go in there and beat the f**k out of them with your Bluefin module :evil:
Only Kidding of course :wink:
I've had Superchips on my Diesels, but moved away from them as I didn't believe that they would be able to deliver what I was looking for with all the mods I was planning. If you are planning on getting more mods, then Bluefin isn't the map you need anyway.
If you are wanting more mods then I'd be more inclined to come from the angle of wanting a refund as it didn't live up to expectations and didn't deliver what they advertised. :smiley:
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I have Revo stage 1 on a standard GTi and mine made 231bhp on the rollers, a little lower than I was expecting if I'm honest. I'm very happy with how the car drives, and 30bhp extra over standard is enough to keep me happy so I'm not bothered. The point I'm making is that sometimes expectations get a bit beyond what's realistic. This probably isn't helped by the over optimistic gains quoted by the tuning companies themselves.
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I feel exactly the same. This is my Stage1 plot but my Stage2 was lower today!
(http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b308/RedRobin_05/280_July08.jpg)
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I reckon, on a standard GTi all you can realistically expect from a remap on it's own is around a 30bhp gain..
Out of interest, what do REVO claim their stage 1 remap should make ?
Being new to the GTI (and the VW world in general) I'm keeping a keen interest on re-map's, etc as it might be something I want to consider. If the results coming in aren't as expected then maybe I'll avoid doing it at all. I appreciate that it's not all about the final figure but how it makes the car drive over the entire rev-range. At the same time though, you want to see that you are getting what you are expecting when you pay your money.
Telboy - I hope you manage to get the situation resolved and that you end up with the results you are looking for from your car :)
Daz
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soundlab what gti do you have ?, also don't let the results put you off, as on the road there completely different beasts when mapped
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Out of interest does anyone know how much superchips charge to reset the unit so it can be sold on ?
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soundlab what gti do you have ?, also don't let the results put you off, as on the road there completely different beasts when mapped
It's a 55-plate standard GTI (non-ED30). :smiley:
Daz
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Telboy,
as a Bluefin user, I'd be interested in the results of your SC visit.
I'm running a bluefin map on a manual and I see no manuals were tested... so interested to see if it's just a DSG map issue.
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Here's another dyno plot to help the discussion!!
(http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i32/ChungsterGTI/001.jpg)
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^^^ I agree with 182_blue, I was pleased with my results but the figures where well down on what the tuners quoted (mine should have been just over 300bhp and came out at 278bhp) but on the road the different between the original and remapped car is really noticable and I still think it was the right thing to do. :smiley:
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Telboy,
as a Bluefin user, I'd be interested in the results of your SC visit.
I'm running a bluefin map on a manual and I see no manuals were tested... so interested to see if it's just a DSG map issue.
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soundlab what gti do you have ?, also don't let the results put you off, as on the road there completely different beasts when mapped
It's a 55-plate standard GTI (non-ED30). :smiley:
Daz
they quote 255 bhp (which i cant see them getting on JKM's machine)
(http://www.revotechnik.com/includes/getImage.asp?filename=products\powerGraph612.gif)
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Out of interest, what do REVO claim their stage 1 remap should make ?
....I had Revo Stage1 and I actually don't know! Furthermore I wasn't that interested - It's academic - What I did want and get is driveability and reliability and aftersales support.
Being new to the GTI (and the VW world in general) I'm keeping a keen interest on re-map's, etc as it might be something I want to consider. If the results coming in aren't as expected then maybe I'll avoid doing it at all. I appreciate that it's not all about the final figure but how it makes the car drive over the entire rev-range. At the same time though, you want to see that you are getting what you are expecting when you pay your money.
....Test drive a Revo'd car and see how much you still care about the numbers. Yes, it's an indication. I get entirely different max bhp numbers every time I go on the same rolling-road! But the curves are good and she drives well and certainly shifts.
I spent about a year researching which remap before deciding Revo at 23k miles.
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Here's another dyno plot to help the discussion!!
(http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i32/ChungsterGTI/001.jpg)
what does that have, or which model etc ?
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Just looking at chunkster's and robins remapped GTi's, the initial torque from pull off seems to be quite fearce, and then if you look at the torque curve, from around 4000rpm, it drops away quite alot, not giving as much of a Pulling feeling from when you first accelerate.Whereas the K04 in the ed30 remap, seems to give the same 250lbs ft of thrust and continues that feeling of pull right up to the red line, whereas again in standard, you get the same 250Lbs ft of thrust and then it only slowly backs off rather then dropping right off like what happens in a moddified k03, Ie the pull in your seat that you get remains constant rather then an initial serge. When i went out in GTijames Bluefin ed30, you got that feeling of constant pull, (and the great sounding Milltek aswell!)..
i think WhiteGTi's curve is a perfect example of continual lower constant thrust you get from a standard GTi, but when you map a K03 you get the thrust of around 250 lbs feet(ed30), but then drops away quite alot from 4500 onwards whereas the ed30 map holds this thrust to the redline. :smiley:
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Thanks for the positive responses...I'm not discounting it, just after feedback from people who've been there and done it.
My Skyline was remapped and it made a HUGE difference, both in the figures and the way the car felt on the road, so I totally appreciate that it's not just about the numbers. I'm also very aware that dyno's tend to read differently and I therefore tend to stick to one dyno and compare my results each time rather than against others who've used different dyno's.
I'd love to go out in a REVO stage 1 GTI just to see how different it feels.
Cheers,
Daz
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@182_blue....its a standard GTI with a Revo map. Nowt else.
@ Phil....the pull from first acceleration is FIERCE alright, but that's just how Revo maps are. 21psi boost spike and dropping off. 300lb/ft of torque between 3k and 3.5k rpm. This "punch" makes it "feel fast" and in all intents and purposes, it is fast.
but as you correctly point out this is where the ED30's K04 comes into its own versus the K03s. The ED30's can sustain the torque further up the rev range, whilst the K03s starts going out of puff quite fast.
so rather than holding onto a gear longer in a k04 car, you have to change gear bit earlier on a k03 car to make use of where the big dollop of torque is.
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afaik from the other thread , chungsters is man ed30 stage 1 revo
whats clear from chungsters plot is something is def wrong (no sh*t!) , the power flatlines from 4500 rpm onwards.
RR's plot is a bit the same.
The way the plots are displayed may skew it somewhat but even so, it 'looks' wrong. most other plots (inc some of the others from the JKM rr day) show the constant linear increase as revs rise (expected), the steepness of the angle may change but it should still go up!
Of note there is a changeover point here seen in other plots (Ive also seen it on my Awesome plots) at ~4500rpm , is this the variable valve timing? or it could just be the cars ECU has hit a limit that wont allow more fuel/ign etc
as far as superchips ar concerned , I would point you to a recent S3 day on audi-sport.net , the figures told the same story......
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afaik from the other thread , chungsters is man ed30 stage 1 revo
whats clear from chungsters plot is something is def wrong (no sh*t!) , the power flatlines from 4500 rpm onwards.
RR's plot is a bit the same.
The way the plots are displayed may skew it somewhat but even so, it 'looks' wrong. most other plots (inc some of the others from the JKM rr day) show the constant linear increase as revs rise (expected), the steepness of the angle may change but it should still go up!
Of note there is a changeover point here seen in other plots (Ive also seen it on my Awesome plots) at ~4500rpm , is this the variable valve timing? or it could just be the cars ECU has hit a limit that wont allow more fuel/ign etc
as far as superchips ar concerned , I would point you to a recent S3 day on audi-sport.net , the figures told the same story......
nope mine ain't an ED30......its the run of the mill 200ps version! :smiley:
but yes a friend also said the power flatlining from 4.5k rpm was a bit strange and could point to a failing MAF.
However, the A/F ratio didn't change at all with no drop offs so that contradicts the MAF theory.
The fact it hit REVO's claimed 300 lb/ft is good tho, as it means it hit max boost. The graph is smooth so no real complaints on it.
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Seems like the REVO remap gives the biggest gains in torque rather than Bhp
Chungster's low down torque looks pretty good to me for a standard GTI :shocked:
Back on topic, with regard to Superchips, IGGU had the same dilemna with his Bluefinned S3 after a RR day :
http://www.audi-sport.net/vb/showthread.php?t=57349&highlight=Prosport
It's a long thread but seems to concur with what RR says, at the end of the day it's how it drives on the road that's important, not just what the measured peak power at 6200rpm is :grin:
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sorry chungster , std GTI it is.
Yep I agree the torque figures are superb , it just looks pegged a bit at higher rpm for some reason.
And with those figures , I bet it gives you an enormous shove at low rpm :smiley:
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Beat me to it Jonny.. Iggu's since binned Bluefin off and now has Revo.. :wink:
http://www.audi-sport.net/vb/showthread.php?t=60133&highlight=revo
He's a happy man now to say the least..
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sorry chungster , std GTI it is.
Yep I agree the torque figures are superb , it just looks pegged a bit at higher rpm for some reason.
And with those figures , I bet it gives you an enormous shove at low rpm :smiley:
yeah i can feel the top end is a bit "dead" but i just change gear and stay in the "zone" lol.
enormous shove...1st / 2nd / sometimes 3rd the TC light will flash!
hence i had to get a Sachs uprated clutch put in too to handle it. the standard one was slipping a bit everytime loud pedal got pushed down! but its good fun tho! :grin:
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I would be mighty p**sed off with Superchips. It would be very tempting to go in and read the riot act to them but I think that as others have said, polite but firm is the best approach. They quite clearly state that you should receive an increase of 61 bhp. In truth you have not come close. Give them a chance to rectify it, if they cannot then ask for your money back.
Chungster and RR - I don't think REVO are much different. They clearly state that the bhp should increase to 255. Again, neither came close. The method of measurement can't be in question as the standard cars were pretty much bang on where they should be. I would be asking serious questions from them as well. RR, I do agree with a lot of what you said regarding driveability. As others have said, the whole issue around bhp increase is similar to the 'who can p**s furthest up the wall' debate. But I don't think we should be making excuses for companies who, in my humble opinion, are running the risk of being accused of false advertising.
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I would be mighty p**sed off with Superchips. It would be very tempting to go in and read the riot act to them but I think that as others have said, polite but firm is the best approach. They quite clearly state that you should receive an increase of 61 bhp. In truth you have not come close. Give them a chance to rectify it, if they cannot then ask for your money back.
Chungster and RR - I don't think REVO are much different. They clearly state that the bhp should increase to 255. Again, neither came close. The method of measurement can't be in question as the standard cars were pretty much bang on where they should be. I would be asking serious questions from them as well. RR, I do agree with a lot of what you said regarding driveability. As others have said, the whole issue around bhp increase is similar to the 'who can p**s furthest up the wall' debate. But I don't think we should be making excuses for companies who, in my humble opinion, are running the risk of being accused of false advertising.
....Putting driveability aside (I think we are all agreed on that), my Stage2 plot was simply not up to expectations by any stretch of the imagination. However, in my case there are a number of possible reasons : -
1 - I was stupid enough (too busy talking to you guys) to forget my engine was left idling for a good 15-20 minutes, though JKM didn't think this was a big factor.
2 - My battery had been disconnected at VWR for considerable time (I need to check this). This can cause a reset to stock but I did Revo switch to Performance.
3 - I may not have switched properly or it could be wrongly loaded - Revo can check this.
All this demonstrates a few things : -
1 - A dyno run is an excellent opportunity to check your engine's health - At least my curves were smooth (as Mae West might have said).
2 - Being with Revo (and not Superchips), I have total peace of mind - Revo HQ will sort out any problems without any arguments whatsoever, in fact quite the contrary! JKM will further assist if called upon to do so.
If I have to quote a number, my expectation from Revo Stage2 is around 260 bhp on a good day.
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Good to meet you, Tony Terry :afro:
As everyone has said - Polite but firm - You get more with honey than you do with vinegar! (Ask any female).
IIRC, your plots were very lumpy with a big dip. I'm no expert but I think that's what shows something as wrong, not just max numbers.
As everyone knows, my Revo Stage2 was well down from expectations but at least the curves were all smooth and in correct proportion to each other. I made the mistake of letting her idle for at least 15 minutes before rolling - Duh!! But as I posted elsewhere, I'm confident in Revo and know they'll sort it out - I don't have to think how I should approach them because I know they'll want to get it right of their own accord without prompting. I'm seeing the Revo guys at Castle Combe next weekend anyway.
What exhaust do you have?
Standard Exhaust although Jim at JKM did say that once returned to standard the plot after a few hundred miles would be as smooth as you like????
He thought my standard graph was right on the money and only while on Bluefin did it seem to go mad :angry:
I'll be there in the morning so will have a chat with the tech team and see what they reckon, I wonder if they'll rolling road it there to see what they make???Not even sure they have a rolling road :sad:
I will be firm but fair, they have a lot to answer for :angry:
I will of course keep you all posted! :wink:
It's still under a year old and I'm not sure I'd get a refund now and rest assured, Revo @ JKM will be my next purchase if this doesn't work!!
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Good to meet you, Tony Terry :afro:
As everyone has said - Polite but firm - You get more with honey than you do with vinegar! (Ask any female).
IIRC, your plots were very lumpy with a big dip. I'm no expert but I think that's what shows something as wrong, not just max numbers.
As everyone knows, my Revo Stage2 was well down from expectations but at least the curves were all smooth and in correct proportion to each other. I made the mistake of letting her idle for at least 15 minutes before rolling - Duh!! But as I posted elsewhere, I'm confident in Revo and know they'll sort it out - I don't have to think how I should approach them because I know they'll want to get it right of their own accord without prompting. I'm seeing the Revo guys at Castle Combe next weekend anyway.
What exhaust do you have?
Standard Exhaust although Jim at JKM did say that once returned to standard the plot after a few hundred miles would be as smooth as you like????
He thought my standard graph was right on the money and only while on Bluefin did it seem to go mad :angry:
I'll be there in the morning so will have a chat with the tech team and see what they reckon, I wonder if they'll rolling road it there to see what they make???Not even sure they have a rolling road :sad:
I will be firm but fair, they have a lot to answer for :angry:
I will of course keep you all posted! :wink:
It's still under a year old and I'm not sure I'd get a refund now and rest assured, Revo @ JKM will be my next purchase if this doesn't work!!
yeh, do let us know mate, im not sure they will give your money back either, but would be good if they do
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terry, anychance you could post your graphs for us please mate, and anyone else who has a ED30 or GTi that hasnt done so, could they do the same. I
wanna see some more torque curves! :wink:
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one other thing could you ask them how much it is to get the bluefin reset so it could be resold if they wont refund it?
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Chungster and RR - I don't think REVO are much different. They clearly state that the bhp should increase to 255. Again, neither came close. The method of measurement can't be in question as the standard cars were pretty much bang on where they should be. I would be asking serious questions from them as well. RR, I do agree with a lot of what you said regarding driveability. As others have said, the whole issue around bhp increase is similar to the 'who can p**s furthest up the wall' debate. But I don't think we should be making excuses for companies who, in my humble opinion, are running the risk of being accused of false advertising.
i think the advertising is always "potential increase of up to xx bhp" not ALWAYS 55bhp. the graph they post up on their website is of just one situation to prove it "can" give an increase of 55bhp on a given RR. every car is different, and on RR's many things can affect the bhp figure, like tyre pressure (which JKM didn't check for consistency on all cars)
My torque graph looks mighty similar to the one on REVO's site however. And as bhp is just torque x speed, i'm not too fussed about overall bhp figures.
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I would be mighty p**sed off with Superchips. It would be very tempting to go in and read the riot act to them but I think that as others have said, polite but firm is the best approach. They quite clearly state that you should receive an increase of 61 bhp. In truth you have not come close. Give them a chance to rectify it, if they cannot then ask for your money back.
Chungster and RR - I don't think REVO are much different. They clearly state that the bhp should increase to 255. Again, neither came close. The method of measurement can't be in question as the standard cars were pretty much bang on where they should be. I would be asking serious questions from them as well. RR, I do agree with a lot of what you said regarding driveability. As others have said, the whole issue around bhp increase is similar to the 'who can p**s furthest up the wall' debate. But I don't think we should be making excuses for companies who, in my humble opinion, are running the risk of being accused of false advertising.
....Putting driveability aside (I think we are all agreed on that), my Stage2 plot was simply not up to expectations by any stretch of the imagination. However, in my case there are a number of possible reasons : -
1 - I was stupid enough (too busy talking to you guys) to forget my engine was left idling for a good 15-20 minutes, though JKM didn't think this was a big factor.
2 - My battery had been disconnected at VWR for considerable time (I need to check this). This can cause a reset to stock but I did Revo switch to Performance.
3 - I may not have switched properly or it could be wrongly loaded - Revo can check this.
All this demonstrates a few things : -
1 - A dyno run is an excellent opportunity to check your engine's health - At least my curves were smooth (as Mae West might have said).
2 - Being with Revo (and not Superchips), I have total peace of mind - Revo HQ will sort out any problems without any arguments whatsoever, in fact quite the contrary! JKM will further assist if called upon to do so.
If I have to quote a number, my expectation from Revo Stage2 is around 260 bhp on a good day.
But chungster had a similar difference in his claim on the revo map. :huh: I think what we need are more dyno runs on revo mapped cars to be sure. It just makes me wonder if any of the revo maps have acheived close to what they claim. Keep us posted on their response. Hopefully they will fix the problem and pay for another dyno run.
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1 - I was stupid enough (too busy talking to you guys) to forget my engine was left idling for a good 15-20 minutes, though JKM didn't think this was a big factor.
I was concerned my engine wouldn't be up to temp so I went and sat in the car when WhiteGTI put his on the rollers, and started to warm up the engine (kept it at around 2k revs until reached optimum temp) and then left it idling until I went on, which is about two and a half cars or so. Didn't appear to have any negative effect:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v55/stealthwolf/stockcurvechop.jpg)
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1 - I was stupid enough (too busy talking to you guys) to forget my engine was left idling for a good 15-20 minutes, though JKM didn't think this was a big factor.
I was concerned my engine wouldn't be up to temp so I went and sat in the car when WhiteGTI put his on the rollers, and started to warm up the engine (kept it at around 2k revs until reached optimum temp) and then left it idling until I went on, which is about two and a half cars or so. Didn't appear to have any negative effect:
....Thanks for that very useful info :afro: - It means I can probably eliminate that possibilty - One less question to investigate :afro:
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terry, anychance you could post your graphs for us please mate, and anyone else who has a ED30 or GTi that hasnt done so, could they do the same. I
wanna see some more torque curves! :wink:
Steve, will do mate once I've had chance to conclude this chapter with Superchips,....I can then post up all of the graphs, standard, remap that didn't work and remap that hopefully should work!!!
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terry, anychance you could post your graphs for us please mate, and anyone else who has a ED30 or GTi that hasnt done so, could they do the same. I
wanna see some more torque curves! :wink:
Steve, will do mate once I've had chance to conclude this chapter with Superchips,....I can then post up all of the graphs, standard, remap that didn't work and remap that hopefully should work!!!
Good luck mate :smiley: