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Model specific boards => Golf mk2 => Topic started by: ABOO on 28 September 2008, 20:08
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Did anyone see fifth gear last Monday. They had a mint MK2 Oak Green 16v, which they sent to TSR for some work doing. Result put car at an estimated 185bhp, and car looked awesome from in-car footage. After 5k rpm it looked like a Civic type-r with vtec, flew round to redline :evil:
Seriously considering selling my 1.8t mk4, and doing this conversion in a MK2. Anyone who saw the show and running a simiar set-up??
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How about you buy a good MK2 shell and swap all your MK4 bits to the MK2 to complete a 20VT conversion :smug:
You'd have one hell of a faster motor with a remap :wink:
On a more serious side, I don't think many people bother boring out their engines, they usually just go for the ABF conversion from a MK3 2L
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I think it was more about showing what TSR could do as oppose to making the car as powerfull as possible.
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IMO tsr are a bunch of monkeys. putting that much effort into a 16v and only getting 185 bhp.
i would say that an abf ( with its efi ) is a far better conversion, get a fully rebuilt abf with good headwork and a remap it'll present 185bhp without any compromise for what tsr charge for there engines i would want to see more and have a better reputation where engine life is concirned
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IMO tsr are a bunch of monkeys. putting that much effort into a 16v and only getting 185 bhp.
i would say that an abf ( with its efi ) is a far better conversion, get a fully rebuilt abf with good headwork and a remap it'll present 185bhp without any compromise for what tsr charge for there engines i would want to see more and have a better reputation where engine life is concirned
Can't help but agree. It would be cheaper to get a modern engine and shoe horn it into a MKII. When you start looking at the figures for just the pistons, then the conrods, then add the rebore, grind the crank, do the head work, new cams which aint cheap either, etc, etc, etc, you would be looking at figures of 2-3000 quid for just the engine and a measley 46bhp increase in power.
And Tiff only knocked off something like 3 seconds from his initial lap time or something like that?
Not worth it.
To put things into perspective, I bought and semi race tuned a Chevy 350 (5.7 litre V8) with mostly new components for about half the money they spent on that engine alone. Its just a shame that engine would not go in a Golf! :laugh:
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And Tiff only knocked off something like 3 seconds from his initial lap time or something like that?
Not worth it.
it was ol a short twisty track thou! but i do agree with wots been said, you can get alot more bhp with that kind of budget
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Another option... Put in the 2L block, upgrade the exhaust, and fuel pressure, if theres budget left then maybe a bit of porting/polishing as well.
This would get you most of the way there for little money, and without the compromises of wild cams.
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wasn't the point on fifth gear to keep it all looking original tho'?
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wasn't the point on fifth gear to keep it all looking original tho'?
Nail head and hammer interface achieved.
The whole point was to make it better but keep it original within reason. Banging in a 20vT or a VR6 is the easy/lazy option and would have transformed the characteristics of the car (especially the front heavey lardy VR6 lump). 2.0 ABF coversion or 9A bottom end would have been aother option. It would have had more power than standard but without rebuilding the bottom end of either of those would have not rev'd as high as the engine they built for it.
I like what TSR did and it's much more interesting than just chucking in a bigger engine and calling a car modded.
Nick
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Mee TOOO , much as the though of a nice big VR6 lump im my valver is appealing , I think it would loose some of the MK2ishness that made me buy the car in the first place, I fully intend to rebuild and rework my 8v 1.8 lump to get the most I can from here regardless of the conversion being the cheaper option.. Top Marks 5th gear !!!
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Banging in a 20vT or a VR6 is the easy/lazy option and would have transformed the characteristics of the car (especially the front heavey lardy VR6 lump).
I like what TSR did and it's much more interesting than just chucking in a bigger engine and calling a car modded.
Nick
Agree :smiley:
It was Tiffs main stipulation not to spoil the balance of the car :cool:
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Totally agree with the comments re engine swaps, but I really think the whole point of the piece was to show what can be done with the original engine/car.
Liked their suspension set up choice though! (pretty sure it was the same as mine) :smiley:
Looked sweet as on their test road. Shame I hate fifth gear, I want to rip that posh b!tches head off everytime she opens her gob!
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Liked their suspension set up choice though! (pretty sure it was the same as mine) :smiley:
Remind me, what did they fit? :smiley:
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Im glad they all loved the mk2. The 3 seconds quicker wasnt worth it though.
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Banging in a 20vT or a VR6 is the easy/lazy option and would have transformed the characteristics of the car (especially the front heavey lardy VR6 lump).
I like what TSR did and it's much more interesting than just chucking in a bigger engine and calling a car modded.
Nick
Agree :smiley:
It was Tiffs main stipulation not to spoil the balance of the car :cool:
But it all depends on how much you are willing to spend on an 18+ year old car that is not even a classic. Keep it looking original? Yes! On the outside. But if you want power, there are far more cheaper ways of doing it. But this is only my opinion and if you see my project thread, I don't practice was I preach! :embarassed:
(Now back to replacing my carpet. Project update soon! :cool:)
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Totally agree with the comments re engine swaps, but I really think the whole point of the piece was to show what can be done with the original engine/car.
Liked their suspension set up choice though! (pretty sure it was the same as mine) :smiley:
Looked sweet as on their test road. Shame I hate fifth gear, I want to rip that posh b!tches head off everytime she opens her gob!
I can think of other more enjoyable ways of keeping her quite !!!
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the thing is tsr are gonna be thinking about advertising, and that sort of engine is what they do. if they put in a standard abf people are gonna just do it themselves rather than pay tsr thousands for there version.
btw 3 seconds is still good on a sub minute circuit
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btw 3 seconds is still good on a sub minute circuit
a lot of that will be to do with replacing 20 year old suspension components though.
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it would have been 6 seconds if they fitted some decent coilovers, arb's and poly bushes though. the car still had far too much body roll
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it would have been 6 seconds if they fitted some decent coilovers, arb's and poly bushes though. the car still had far too much body roll
agree it's the best place to spend money where going faster is concerned. they could have stuck some decent rubber on it too.
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extra 2 secs with some r888's :afro:
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if tsr wanted to use it as a wang waveing excersise i think they should have done a proper job and
fitted an abf with forged pistons i beam rods, even more porting and a solid lifter head breathing through throttel bodies and a 9500 rev limute or at least gone hunting the 200
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wasn't the point on fifth gear to keep it all looking original tho'?
I was going to post this point too :wink:
Tuning an original car with an original engine keeps it..... well original as poss :laugh:
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HAHA this thread makes me laugh!
its funny how everyone is a motor racing expert all of a sudden :laugh:
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HAHA this thread makes me laugh!
its funny how everyone is a motor racing expert all of a sudden :laugh:
Who mentioned motor racing?? :huh: :huh:
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Liked their suspension set up choice though! (pretty sure it was the same as mine) :smiley:
Remind me, what did they fit? :smiley:
Eibach Springs and Koni adjustable dampers.
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HAHA this thread makes me laugh!
its funny how everyone is a motor racing expert all of a sudden :laugh:
is what i said incorrect then?
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Eibach Springs and Koni adjustable dampers.
Thanks :smiley:
the car still had far too much body roll
I thought that and I was surprised they did not sort it. I guess it came down to time available or budget :undecided:
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Eibach Springs and Koni adjustable dampers.
Thanks :smiley:
the car still had far too much body roll
I thought that and I was surprised they did not sort it. I guess it came down to time available or budget :undecided:
and what they sell at tsr :grin:
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Does anyone know that backbox they put on the car?
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wasn't the point on fifth gear to keep it all looking original tho'?
Nail head and hammer interface achieved.
The whole point was to make it better but keep it original within reason. Banging in a 20vT or a VR6 is the easy/lazy option and would have transformed the characteristics of the car (especially the front heavey lardy VR6 lump). 2.0 ABF coversion or 9A bottom end would have been aother option. It would have had more power than standard but without rebuilding the bottom end of either of those would have not rev'd as high as the engine they built for it.
I like what TSR did and it's much more interesting than just chucking in a bigger engine and calling a car modded.
Nick
aint you doing this kind of conversion to your rado??? :undecided:
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Liked their suspension set up choice though! (pretty sure it was the same as mine) :smiley:
Remind me, what did they fit? :smiley:
Eibach Springs and Koni adjustable dampers.
yeah same set up as me, but i fancy the coilover route as it doesn't sit quite right at the front...handling is spot on tho, but i like the 60-40 look.
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Liked their suspension set up choice though! (pretty sure it was the same as mine) :smiley:
Remind me, what did they fit? :smiley:
Eibach Springs and Koni adjustable dampers.
Yep I didn't hear if they said what it was but I saw a shot of it and thought hmmmmm that looks familiar!
They possibly hadn't dialled the shocks up to firm - it certantly didn't look like they had anyway :undecided:
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wasn't the point on fifth gear to keep it all looking original tho'?
Nail head and hammer interface achieved.
The whole point was to make it better but keep it original within reason. Banging in a 20vT or a VR6 is the easy/lazy option and would have transformed the characteristics of the car (especially the front heavey lardy VR6 lump). 2.0 ABF coversion or 9A bottom end would have been aother option. It would have had more power than standard but without rebuilding the bottom end of either of those would have not rev'd as high as the engine they built for it.
I like what TSR did and it's much more interesting than just chucking in a bigger engine and calling a car modded.
Nick
aint you doing this kind of conversion to your rado??? :undecided:
Noooo staying 2.0 16v but if I had the cash I'd get some hot cams, a P&P'd head, lightened and balanced flywheel, crank, rods etc and a 4 branch fannymold + decat.
Nick