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Title: Wax Advice
Post by: shug E30 on 25 September 2008, 01:56
Hi all,  :smiley:

been looking at the forum for a few months now (first post though) and after some basic wash/polish/wax,  I've now been bitten by the bug  :grin:

Just been online and bought a few things.

Some MF applictors and towels,
Meguiars Gold Shampoo,
Meguiars Smooth surface Claybar kit,
Poorboys Pro Polish,
Meguiars Hot Rims.
(Already have the sheeps wool mitt and some AG extra gloss sealant)

But could not decide what wax  :sad: So looking for some pointers / advice on the following,

Collinite 476s Paste Wax,
Poorboy's Nattys Paste Wax,
and
Dodo Juice Rainforest Rub

tried and tested info would be best, but to be honest just looking for a wax that gives a good finish and last 6+ weeks.

cheers

PS. Does the Collinite stuff have any of that Carnauba Magic?
Title: Re: Wax Advice
Post by: NewGolf on 25 September 2008, 07:45
Does it have to be a wax? I use a sealant, Zaino Z2 using ZFX to cure it faster, then top up with Zaino Z8 after each wash. Fantastic results, easy on/off unlike a wax  :laugh:

Look here if you need more info

http://www.cleanyourcar.co.uk/zaino/cat_63.html

I tried it once, and its now my fav product, overtaking £50 a tub Zymol Carbon Wax  :wink:
Title: Re: Wax Advice
Post by: WobGTI on 25 September 2008, 09:04
is that zaino a silicone based wax?
Title: Re: Wax Advice
Post by: shug E30 on 25 September 2008, 11:50
I think it is silicone based.

Well, I've been looking about this forum and a bit on DW and decided to go for none of the ones I mentioned. :laugh:

I've gone for Collinite #915.

http://www.elitecarcare.co.uk/product_info.php?manufacturers_id=26&products_id=402

Seems to get a good write up, long lasting, good results etc

Should be with me tomorrow, happy days  :smiley:
Title: Re: Wax Advice
Post by: Dan34 on 25 September 2008, 16:02
I think it is silicone based.

Well, I've been looking about this forum and a bit on DW and decided to go for none of the ones I mentioned. :laugh:

I've gone for Collinite #915.

http://www.elitecarcare.co.uk/product_info.php?manufacturers_id=26&products_id=402

Seems to get a good write up, long lasting, good results etc

Should be with me tomorrow, happy days  :smiley:

I bought this and i am very happy with it cant fault it really, the tub will last ages too.
Title: Re: Wax Advice
Post by: WobGTI on 25 September 2008, 16:53
hmm, im not keen on using silicone based as dad always complains about it when we're spraying a car it makes it difficult to get it all off and get a perfect finish...
Title: Re: Wax Advice
Post by: NewGolf on 25 September 2008, 18:40
is that zaino a silicone based wax?

Catagoricaly NO!

Its not a wax, its a sealant.

Read up on it here.

http://www.zainostore.com/

Up to you is you use it or not, I've tried most stuff and giving you some free advise  :wink:
Title: Re: Wax Advice
Post by: shug E30 on 26 September 2008, 10:09
And it much appriecated New, But is it not still silicone based though??  :huh:

"synthetic polymeric-based protection"

Title: Re: Wax Advice
Post by: Simon8v91 on 26 September 2008, 14:42
And it much appriecated New, But is it not still silicone based though??  :huh:

"synthetic polymeric-based protection"



Nothing in your quote would confirm (or deny) the presence of silicones.

entering this search into google does not help either - silicone site:zainostore.com

If you are worried email or phone them.

A lot of experts rave about this stuff  :smiley:
Title: Re: Wax Advice
Post by: shug E30 on 26 September 2008, 15:07
To be honest not worried about it as not going to be using it  :rolleyes:

but would have been nice to clear it up.

Just thought that, they were indicating that it was silicone based by saying it was "synthetic polymeric based" but chemistry was never a stong point :laugh:
Title: Re: Wax Advice
Post by: NewGolf on 26 September 2008, 18:34
I guess you wouldn't be happy if your carnauba based wax contained silicone then....  :smug:

http://pages.sbcglobal.net/gheumann/zaino_test/zaino_letter.html


http://pages.sbcglobal.net/gheumann/zaino_test/index.html
Title: Re: Wax Advice
Post by: Simon8v91 on 27 September 2008, 09:50
I guess you wouldn't be happy if your carnauba based wax contained silicone then....  :smug:

http://pages.sbcglobal.net/gheumann/zaino_test/zaino_letter.html


http://pages.sbcglobal.net/gheumann/zaino_test/index.html


Interesting read that  :smiley:

But Zaino's reply was written by a politician  :laugh:

eg. " Also Carnauba is very brittle. It will not stay on the paint surface for any length of time. Most of the time less than 3 weeks"

erm yes but who waxes with raw carnauba?  Its not practical and commercial waxes are blended with other ingredients to enhance durability upto 6 months  :tongue:

I could go on.............

That said I must try some Zaino soon  :grin:
Title: Re: Wax Advice
Post by: NewGolf on 27 September 2008, 18:18
I guess you wouldn't be happy if your carnauba based wax contained silicone then....  :smug:

http://pages.sbcglobal.net/gheumann/zaino_test/zaino_letter.html


http://pages.sbcglobal.net/gheumann/zaino_test/index.html


Interesting read that  :smiley: Certainly was.   :smug:

But Zaino's reply was written by a politician  :laugh: How so, its based on scientific fact?

eg. " Also Carnauba is very brittle. It will not stay on the paint surface for any length of time. Most of the time less than 3 weeks" Thats a fact. Carnuba wax in its raw state is harder than concrete..

erm yes but who waxes with raw carnauba? No one does, thats why he posted the ingrediants of most carnuba wax based products. Paraffin wax and Silcone oils to name but a few. .  Its not practical and commercial waxes are blended with other ingredients to enhance durability upto 6 months  :tongue: Such as Silicone Oils?  :rolleyes:

I could go on.............

That said I must try some Zaino soon  :grin: Well  I've tried Zymol, Swissol, P21S, R222, Megs, 3M and AG. Zaino, IMO beats them all hands down in look, ease of use and durability. The only wax based product I'd use now would be Collinite. 
Title: Re: Wax Advice
Post by: Simon8v91 on 27 September 2008, 19:06
^ Whilst its scientifically accurate its also misleading to the casual reader :nerd:  I bet the Zaino's monomer in isolation would not sit on paint for more than a week  :tongue:
Title: Re: Wax Advice
Post by: NewGolf on 27 September 2008, 20:02
^ Whilst its scientifically accurate its also misleading to the casual reader :nerd:  I bet the Zaino's monomer in isolation would not sit on paint for more than a week  :tongue:

The whole is greater than the sum of the parts  :smug:
Title: Re: Wax Advice
Post by: Simon8v91 on 28 September 2008, 09:28
^ Whilst its scientifically accurate its also misleading to the casual reader :nerd:  I bet the Zaino's monomer in isolation would not sit on paint for more than a week  :tongue:

The whole is greater than the sum of the parts  :smug:

Agreed  :smiley:

That was my point all along.  :smiley:

I still think the Zaino reply from your link is poor, scientifically imprecise and he did not really answer the question posed  :shocked: