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Model specific boards => Golf mk5 => Topic started by: Teutonic_Tamer on 15 September 2008, 18:02
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In my best possible Rolf Harris impression - can yer tell what it is?
(http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t108/Teutonic_Tamer/Golf%20V/canyouseeit-edit.jpg)
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How specific do you need us to be my sarcastic guess says its the front of your wife's car. :smug:
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How specific do you need us to be my sarcastic guess says its the front of your wife's car. :smug:
A little more specific than that! :tongue:
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A picture of the front of your wifes car?? :grin:
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S3 intercooler on the gti
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A front grill - which actually needs the bottom lip pushing back in line ;)
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You have bought open foglight grilles (because you now concede that they are amazing in every single way possible), and you have very very cleverly photoshopped them together, with a form of intercooler background to try to fool us all.
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S3 intercooler on the gti
Ditto
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My vote goes for a front mount IC like the Forge one as the S3 one would be further back and not be as visible.
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In my best possible Rolf Harris impression - can yer tell what it is?
(http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t108/Teutonic_Tamer/Golf%20V/canyouseeit-edit.jpg)
Is it your electric shaver with a gti cut guard.
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My vote goes for a front mount IC like the Forge one as the S3 one would be further back and not be as visible.
Bingo! :smiley:
Forge Twintercooler painted black, and the S3 i/c well burried out of sight. :wink:
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A front grill - which actually needs the bottom lip pushing back in line ;)
I've tried, and I'll be fcuked if I can get it to properly line up. :sad: Anyway, only hedgehogs get that view! :wink: :grin:
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In my best possible Rolf Harris impression - can yer tell what it is?
(http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t108/Teutonic_Tamer/Golf%20V/canyouseeit-edit.jpg)
Is it your electric shaver with a gti cut guard.
One serious beard for that mofo! :sick:
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wow, a twintercooler and S3 IC together on a golf!
Guess there should be no heat soak on that vehicle.
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wow, a twintercooler and S3 IC together on a golf!
Well, the S3 cooler is quite a bargain, and I thought it would be rude to not fit the Forge one at the same time!
Guess there should be no heat soak on that vehicle.
Better not be! :shocked:
It is actually a lot more consistent in terms of power delivery. A bit hard to really describe, but nothing like a remap.
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how did you get the twintercooler IC silicone hoses to fit or did you use the hoses meant for a TT?
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how did you get the twintercooler IC silicone hoses to fit or did you use the hoses meant for a TT?
You ask Forge to supply the S3 hoses - though they needed some trimming. Still not quite right, but that's another story! :rolleyes:
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Roughly how much hp gain is this set up meant to give out of interest?
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Roughly how much hp gain is this set up meant to give out of interest?
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Technically and officially - none. Although there will be some increase. But I don't do rolling roads (well not until I get a remap :wink:), so I can't actually tell you how much gain it is giving. But it is a definate improvement.
The main advantage of bigger and/or additional intercoolers is a considerably more stable output even under very high ambient and underbonnet temperatures. These really come into their own if you have other tuning work done as well, from a simple remap, through to zorsts, hi-flow sports cats, bigger turbos, uprated injectors and fuel pumps, etc.
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Roughly how much hp gain is this set up meant to give out of interest?
:smiley:
Technically and officially - none. Although there will be some increase. But I don't do rolling roads (well not until I get a remap :wink:), so I can't actually tell you how much gain it is giving. But it is a definate improvement.
The main advantage of bigger and/or additional intercoolers is a considerably more stable output even under very high ambient and underbonnet temperatures. These really come into their own if you have other tuning work done as well, from a simple remap, through to zorsts, hi-flow sports cats, bigger turbos, uprated injectors and fuel pumps, etc.
TT, so you still have your MK5? I thought you crossed into AUDI territory fully? :undecided:
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Roughly how much hp gain is this set up meant to give out of interest?
:smiley:
Technically and officially - none. Although there will be some increase. But I don't do rolling roads (well not until I get a remap :wink:), so I can't actually tell you how much gain it is giving. But it is a definate improvement.
The main advantage of bigger and/or additional intercoolers is a considerably more stable output even under very high ambient and underbonnet temperatures. These really come into their own if you have other tuning work done as well, from a simple remap, through to zorsts, hi-flow sports cats, bigger turbos, uprated injectors and fuel pumps, etc.
TT, so you still have your MK5? I thought you crossed into AUDI territory fully? :undecided:
Still have both! To be really pedantic, the Mk5 is SWMBOs, and the RS4 is mine, but we each drive each others. :wink: :cool: :smiley:
Oh, and the Forge is achieving an extra 10-12 ponies, so what both the Forge and the S3 together add - maybe 20 ponies?
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If I had RS4, I'd never be able to let my wife drive it. What if she hurt it? :lipsrsealed:
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If I had RS4, I'd never be able to let my wife drive it. What if she hurt it? :lipsrsealed:
i dread to think, poor lass! lol
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TT...what's your view on the "pressure drop" theory then of more space/area for air to occupy? i.e. Turbo having to work harder to keep whole system pressurised and hitting right levels of boost at intake manifold point?
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TT, I have a question also.
WHen you install an S3 intercooler in E30, doesn't your power drop because of less pressure in the system? More to the point, if, say I, tune my E30 to 320hp without putting in new intercooler, and then decide to put the S3 intercooler in, would my output drop?
(WHy I ask, because I remember Wolfbane said hat he first had a remap, and then S3 intercooler, and output dropped)
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higher boost pressure is not necessarily the best thing.. the same amount of air is being still shifted, its all about cfms!
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I need to have a think about this - and it's dinner time, but I've just notice Toph has basically hit the nail on the head! :wink:
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I need to have a think about this - and it's dinner time, but I've just notice Toph has basically hit the nail on the head! :wink:
please, think about my question, too. I rely on your expertise.
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TT...what's your view on the "pressure drop" theory then of more space/area for air to occupy? i.e. Turbo having to work harder to keep whole system pressurised and hitting right levels of boost at intake manifold point?
As Toph indicates, it is not the actuall pressure of the turbo, but the volume of air which is being flowed into an engine. So even if it did cause a pressure drop, that would actually be and advantage, because the cut off valve (dump valve or recirc valve) won't be venting, so the turbo will stay at max spool.
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please, think about my question, too. I rely on your expertise.
questioning my expertise, gasp! :grin:
I do have a question though TT, how noticable is the lag increase with the S3/twintercooler assembly? I would imagine negligible, as its not an overly substantial increase in volume to the 'charged' system.. but i've never driven one so I'm curious.
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ive been looking into getting the s3 intercooler for some time now, wheres the best place to get it from? :smiley:
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ive been looking into getting the s3 intercooler for some time now, wheres the best place to get it from? :smiley:
mmmm Audi :wink:
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Been tempted before too - I have all the part numbers.
A DV relocation might be worth it too while your taking bits apart..?
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Been tempted before too - I have all the part numbers.
A DV relocation might be worth it too while your taking bits apart..?
how do you re-locate it? :huh:
do you know the price of the S3 intercooler neg? :smiley:
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Been tempted before too - I have all the part numbers.
A DV relocation might be worth it too while your taking bits apart..?
pm the numbers if you can as i have a good mate at vw so might be able to get a better deal or maybe a group buy
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1K0 145 803 P S3 Intercooler - £251.70
1K0 145 834 AA Pressure Hose - Left Lower £28.04
1K0 145 832 L Connecting Pipe - £56.48
This is for the S3 IC bits.
Relocation is quite a few bits, estimated at around £130
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1K0 145 803 P S3 Intercooler - £251.70
1K0 145 834 AA Pressure Hose - Left Lower £28.04
1K0 145 832 L Connecting Pipe - £56.48
This is for the S3 IC bits.
Relocation is quite a few bits, estimated at around £130
i will nip over to my mate at vw tomorrow and see what he could do it all for :smiley:
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1K0 145 803 P S3 Intercooler - £251.70
1K0 145 834 AA Pressure Hose - Left Lower £28.04
1K0 145 832 L Connecting Pipe - £56.48
This is for the S3 IC bits.
Relocation is quite a few bits, estimated at around £130
i will nip over to my mate at vw tomorrow and see what he could do it all for :smiley:
schweeeeeeet!! not too badly priced!!
whats the point in relocating the dv when i have a forge one? any extra benafits?
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please, think about my question, too. I rely on your expertise.
questioning my expertise, gasp! :grin:
Well someones gotta stand up to yer - and Pesky is well out of your reach! :tongue: :grin:
I do have a question though TT, how noticable is the lag increase with the S3/twintercooler assembly? I would imagine negligible, as its not an overly substantial increase in volume to the 'charged' system.. but i've never driven one so I'm curious.
Hmmmm . . . TBH, can't say I've noticed any lag at all. That is one of the real benfits of the K03 turbo. Maybe it would be more noticeable on the larger K04s, which are alleged to suffer with a bit of lag anyway.
Thinking about this, I reckon I must have literally doubled by charged volume - as the S3 cooler alone is said to be 30% larger than the stock cooler.
I suppose the fact that the turbo is actually part of the exhaust manifold helps to improve the "responsiveness" of the blower, and as has already been said, it aint the "pressure", but the volume of air which counts for bigger bangs.
I am finding that there seems to be a bigger "push" mid range, and the push goes up to nigh-on the red line too. With just the standard OEM cooler, it would run out of puff near the top end.
I'd still recommend getting both. Though both aint cheap. :rolleyes:
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ive been looking into getting the s3 intercooler for some time now, wheres the best place to get it from? :smiley:
mmmm Audi :wink:
Even better, try TPS. Set up a trade account, then you don't need to nag for discount every time.
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1K0 145 803 P S3 Intercooler - £251.70
1K0 145 834 AA Pressure Hose - Left Lower £28.04
1K0 145 832 L Connecting Pipe - £56.48
This is for the S3 IC bits.
Relocation is quite a few bits, estimated at around £130
i will nip over to my mate at vw tomorrow and see what he could do it all for :smiley:
schweeeeeeet!! not too badly priced!!
whats the point in relocating the dv when i have a forge one? any extra benafits?
It won't get baked to a cinder from being right next to the turbo, and relocating it to the front means it is much easier to check and strip down if it needs it.
Back to the S3 cooler, if you aint fitting it yourself, don't forget to add labour prices too, as discussed in another thread.
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ive been looking into getting the s3 intercooler for some time now, wheres the best place to get it from? :smiley:
mmmm Audi :wink:
Even better, try TPS. Set up a trade account, then you don't need to nag for discount every time.
trust me i will get it cheaper than them :tongue:
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ive been looking into getting the s3 intercooler for some time now, wheres the best place to get it from? :smiley:
mmmm Audi :wink:
Even better, try TPS. Set up a trade account, then you don't need to nag for discount every time.
trust me i will get it cheaper than them :tongue:
Spill the beenz then? :tongue:
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ive been looking into getting the s3 intercooler for some time now, wheres the best place to get it from? :smiley:
mmmm Audi :wink:
Even better, try TPS. Set up a trade account, then you don't need to nag for discount every time.
trust me i will get it cheaper than them :tongue:
Spill the beenz then? :tongue:
i get good discount :wink: worked for Honda and mitsubishi for about 9 years and have been getting bits from this dealer for years and the guy that runs parts is a very very good friend and have helped him out a few times and he does the same.
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ive been looking into getting the s3 intercooler for some time now, wheres the best place to get it from? :smiley:
mmmm Audi :wink:
Even better, try TPS. Set up a trade account, then you don't need to nag for discount every time.
trust me i will get it cheaper than them :tongue:
Spill the beenz then? :tongue:
i get good discount :wink: worked for Honda and mitsubishi for about 9 years and have been getting bits from this dealer for years and the guy that runs parts is a very very good friend and have helped him out a few times and he does the same.
But V-dub stealers are supposed to have a very rigid discount structure, and only the real big trade customers get big discounts. VW UK monitor prices of all parts sales, so just be a tad careful that your mate doesn't get dropped in it. :wink: :smiley:
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I managed to get some discount and some free bits the other day from mine :smiley:
Now to see if I want to have a go myself or if I can find someone local (cheap) to fit one ... Joe I was doing so well until now with spending on the car!
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It is trade parts I deal with TT and I have a trade account
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i can get it all for about £250 all in and there are 12 intercoolers in stock and 6 of each hose
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i can get it all for about £250 and there are 12 intercoolers in stock and 6 of each hose
WOW :shocked: is that including everything i need? ilhave one at the end of the month!! :afro:
il give you the cash at krispys!! :smiley: :smiley:
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yes bud that is all you need and i said i could get a good price :smug:
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yes bud that is all you need and i said i could get a good price :smug:
is it OK to give you cash at krispys? :smiley:
also just seen the apr intercooler on awesome site, looks like a good piece of kit, but well pricey!!! :shocked:
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yes bud that is all you need and i said i could get a good price :smug:
is it OK to give you cash at krispys? :smiley:
also just seen the apr intercooler on awesome site, looks like a good piece of kit, but well pricey!!! :shocked:
pm sent fella :wink:
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nice one joe :wink: i will get a few so if anyone wants one then let us know and if you are going to the Krispy meet then i could bring it for you
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nice one joe :wink: i will get a few so if anyone wants one then let us know and if you are going to the Krispy meet then i could bring it for you
may aswell for 250!! bargin!
post something in the krispys thred mat :afro:
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nice one joe :wink: i will get a few so if anyone wants one then let us know and if you are going to the Krispy meet then i could bring it for you
may aswell for 250!! bargin!
post something in the krispys thred mat :afro:
will do do it now and i am going to get a few i think
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What time are you guys meeting at Krispy as I could be interested in the IC if I could get there?
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What time are you guys meeting at Krispy as I could be interested in the IC if I could get there?
probs about 7.30 - 8ish? :huh: forgot to mention a time :rolleyes:
where abouts you from? :smiley:
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What time are you guys meeting at Krispy as I could be interested in the IC if I could get there?
if you want one i will get you one and order 4 of them tomorrow and if anyone else wants them i will order more but it needs to be a defo want as dont want to be out of pocket :sad:
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defo from me :afro:
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What time are you guys meeting at Krispy as I could be interested in the IC if I could get there?
probs about 7.30 - 8ish? :huh: forgot to mention a time :rolleyes:
where abouts you from? :smiley:
Just on the outskirts of Manchester.
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not far then!! get yourself there!! mat has aggreed to fit intercoolers in the car park :laugh:
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not far then!! get yourself there!! mat has aggreed to fit intercoolers in the car park :laugh:
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: we would be there all night
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just called prosport and they may be able to fit it on the 25th, if so i can get a graph of before and after :cool: :cool:
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just called prosport and they may be able to fit it on the 25th, if so i can get a graph of before and after :cool: :cool:
good idea fella so should i bring it then? and how much do they want to fit it? curious
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just called prosport and they may be able to fit it on the 25th, if so i can get a graph of before and after :cool: :cool:
good idea fella so should i bring it then? and how much do they want to fit it? curious
nope, they cant do it, he just called me back and said that they will be to busy with the RR, he quoted 130quid, so better than awesome!
u fancy doing it for 100 :wink: :wink:
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would have to fit mine first to see how long it takes to do but for £130 fella its not bad at all
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I would be interested for £250 all in - IC and pipe work. WIll need a couple of hex bolts too though but they are cheap
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Def a good price guys, £20 cheaper than we got.
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Def a good price guys, £20 cheaper than we got.
has it made any change at all ?
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I would say yes, I have the hffp and a Dbilas and i recently switched my map from pump to race and the car is noticebly better & quicker
I tried for some logs but vagcom didn;t save them properly to excel spread sheet.
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I tried for some logs but vagcom didn;t save them properly to excel spread sheet.
In what way weren't they not saved properly?
Are they not in the Ross Tech>logs folder?
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I love it.
What a complete waste of money, total respect for a fellow SKIer.
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I love it.
What a complete waste of money, total respect for a fellow SKIer.
WTF are you on about? :rolleyes:
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I love it.
What a complete waste of money, total respect for a fellow SKIer.
WTF are you on about? :rolleyes:
Just ignore him TT.
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I tried for some logs but vagcom didn;t save them properly to excel spread sheet.
In what way weren't they not saved properly?
Are they not in the Ross Tech>logs folder?
its been saving them like this?
Thursday,25,September,2008,20:19:10:18648
VCDS Version: Release 805.1
Data version: 20080823
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Address 01: Engine (1K0 907 115 T)
20:19:00 Group 230: Fuel Rail Pressure
56.93 bar Rail Pressure (specified)
57.45 bar Rail Pressure (actual)
-0.52 bar Rail Pressure Difference
20:19:00 Group 002: Basic Functions
1360 /min Engine Speed
32.3 % Engine Load
1.53 ms Injection Timing
9.00 g/s Intake Air Mass
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How odd!
Can you confirm that you have the MS Excel program installed as that looks like it's opening in notepad/wordpad.
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Yes i have excel on the pc, the prev vag-com saved to excel but since the instal of VCDS its gone wrong.
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Well the latest version of VCDS logs work fine for me with Excel.
Can I suggest you uninstall your present version then reinstall it to see if that cures the problem.
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please, think about my question, too. I rely on your expertise.
questioning my expertise, gasp! :grin:
Well someones gotta stand up to yer - and Pesky is well out of your reach! :tongue: :grin:
I do have a question though TT, how noticable is the lag increase with the S3/twintercooler assembly? I would imagine negligible, as its not an overly substantial increase in volume to the 'charged' system.. but i've never driven one so I'm curious.
Hmmmm . . . TBH, can't say I've noticed any lag at all. That is one of the real benfits of the K03 turbo. Maybe it would be more noticeable on the larger K04s, which are alleged to suffer with a bit of lag anyway.
Thinking about this, I reckon I must have literally doubled by charged volume - as the S3 cooler alone is said to be 30% larger than the stock cooler.
I suppose the fact that the turbo is actually part of the exhaust manifold helps to improve the "responsiveness" of the blower, and as has already been said, it aint the "pressure", but the volume of air which counts for bigger bangs.
I am finding that there seems to be a bigger "push" mid range, and the push goes up to nigh-on the red line too. With just the standard OEM cooler, it would run out of puff near the top end.
I'd still recommend getting both. Though both aint cheap. :rolleyes:
Did you fit the coolers seperately or one at a time? What I'm trying to get at do you know which one gives best gains?
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please, think about my question, too. I rely on your expertise.
questioning my expertise, gasp! :grin:
Well someones gotta stand up to yer - and Pesky is well out of your reach! :tongue: :grin:
I do have a question though TT, how noticable is the lag increase with the S3/twintercooler assembly? I would imagine negligible, as its not an overly substantial increase in volume to the 'charged' system.. but i've never driven one so I'm curious.
Hmmmm . . . TBH, can't say I've noticed any lag at all. That is one of the real benfits of the K03 turbo. Maybe it would be more noticeable on the larger K04s, which are alleged to suffer with a bit of lag anyway.
Thinking about this, I reckon I must have literally doubled by charged volume - as the S3 cooler alone is said to be 30% larger than the stock cooler.
I suppose the fact that the turbo is actually part of the exhaust manifold helps to improve the "responsiveness" of the blower, and as has already been said, it aint the "pressure", but the volume of air which counts for bigger bangs.
I am finding that there seems to be a bigger "push" mid range, and the push goes up to nigh-on the red line too. With just the standard OEM cooler, it would run out of puff near the top end.
I'd still recommend getting both. Though both aint cheap. :rolleyes:
Did you fit the coolers seperately or one at a time? What I'm trying to get at do you know which one gives best gains?
Both at the same time - so can't really say. However, individually, the S3 cooler and the Forge cooler are both highly rated, and both give proven temp drops in their own rights. However, each one also has its disavantges when used alone too - which is why I fitted both.
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please, think about my question, too. I rely on your expertise.
questioning my expertise, gasp! :grin:
Well someones gotta stand up to yer - and Pesky is well out of your reach! :tongue: :grin:
I do have a question though TT, how noticable is the lag increase with the S3/twintercooler assembly? I would imagine negligible, as its not an overly substantial increase in volume to the 'charged' system.. but i've never driven one so I'm curious.
Hmmmm . . . TBH, can't say I've noticed any lag at all. That is one of the real benfits of the K03 turbo. Maybe it would be more noticeable on the larger K04s, which are alleged to suffer with a bit of lag anyway.
Thinking about this, I reckon I must have literally doubled by charged volume - as the S3 cooler alone is said to be 30% larger than the stock cooler.
I suppose the fact that the turbo is actually part of the exhaust manifold helps to improve the "responsiveness" of the blower, and as has already been said, it aint the "pressure", but the volume of air which counts for bigger bangs.
I am finding that there seems to be a bigger "push" mid range, and the push goes up to nigh-on the red line too. With just the standard OEM cooler, it would run out of puff near the top end.
I'd still recommend getting both. Though both aint cheap. :rolleyes:
Did you fit the coolers seperately or one at a time? What I'm trying to get at do you know which one gives best gains?
Both at the same time - so can't really say. However, individually, the S3 cooler and the Forge cooler are both highly rated, and both give proven temp drops in their own rights. However, each one also has its disavantges when used alone too - which is why I fitted both.
What are the diadvantages of either, I wasn't aware of any disadvantages over the stock item?
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please, think about my question, too. I rely on your expertise.
questioning my expertise, gasp! :grin:
Well someones gotta stand up to yer - and Pesky is well out of your reach! :tongue: :grin:
I do have a question though TT, how noticable is the lag increase with the S3/twintercooler assembly? I would imagine negligible, as its not an overly substantial increase in volume to the 'charged' system.. but i've never driven one so I'm curious.
Hmmmm . . . TBH, can't say I've noticed any lag at all. That is one of the real benfits of the K03 turbo. Maybe it would be more noticeable on the larger K04s, which are alleged to suffer with a bit of lag anyway.
Thinking about this, I reckon I must have literally doubled by charged volume - as the S3 cooler alone is said to be 30% larger than the stock cooler.
I suppose the fact that the turbo is actually part of the exhaust manifold helps to improve the "responsiveness" of the blower, and as has already been said, it aint the "pressure", but the volume of air which counts for bigger bangs.
I am finding that there seems to be a bigger "push" mid range, and the push goes up to nigh-on the red line too. With just the standard OEM cooler, it would run out of puff near the top end.
I'd still recommend getting both. Though both aint cheap. :rolleyes:
Did you fit the coolers seperately or one at a time? What I'm trying to get at do you know which one gives best gains?
Both at the same time - so can't really say. However, individually, the S3 cooler and the Forge cooler are both highly rated, and both give proven temp drops in their own rights. However, each one also has its disavantges when used alone too - which is why I fitted both.
What are the diadvantages of either, I wasn't aware of any disadvantages over the stock item?
Any chance you can use the search function, as I am a bit busy? :smiley: If you use the 'advanced search', limit it to the Mk5 boards, and include my username, you should quickly find the answers. :wink: :smiley:
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Ok after reading this mamouth thread
http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=93677.msg779715#msg779715
Can I summise that the differences are primarily:
1). S3 Cooler is more effected by air con and rad heat due to siting.
2). Labour to install Forge is significantly less / cheaper if paying than S3 item.
3). Both have are an improvement over the standard item, although technically the Forge one should show more of an improvement in some instances due to its positioning, although this has not been quantifed?
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Ok after reading this mamouth thread
http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=93677.msg779715#msg779715
Can I summise that the differences are primarily:
1). S3 Cooler is more effected by air con and rad heat due to siting.
Yup, and its performance will 'tail off' more as outside ambient air temps increase (and the standard cooler will be even more prone to these tail-offs). The Forge is not affected by these issues.
2). Labour to install Forge is significantly less / cheaper if paying than S3 item.
Yup, but for the cost of the parts, the Forge is significantly more.
Also, the S3 cooler retains the "OEM" look, whereas the Forge is obviously 'afermarket'.
3). Both have are an improvement over the standard item, although technically the Forge one should show more of an improvement in some instances due to its positioning, although this has not been quantifed?
Yes and no. Either an S3 cooler, or a Forge cooler are both improvements over the standard cooler, and I think both have been 'quantified'. But both coolers together not only offer a 'cumulative' improvement, but they both help cancel out the 'weak points' of the other.
One final improvement which seems to have been overlooked, is the turbo. Both (either on their own or together) should help improve turbo life, and should also help to maintain peak boost.
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One final improvement which seems to have been overlooked, is the turbo. Both (either on their own or together) should help improve turbo life, and should also help to maintain peak boost.
Wonder if RR is taking this in... :smiley:
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One final improvement which seems to have been overlooked, is the turbo. Both (either on their own or together) should help improve turbo life, and should also help to maintain peak boost.
Wonder if RR is taking this in... :smiley:
We did previously try to explain all the benefits of an uprated intercooler, of whatever flavour, but he was blinded by peeps like JKM stating that the standard i/c was more than adequate! :rolleyes:
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TT,
Ok the responces to all 3 points make sense but the last point you make about the cancelling the "weak points" of each other; I can see what these are for the S3 item but apart from aesthetic and financial ones for the Forge item what are its weak points?
Also I agree wholeheartedly about your point in the monster thread about the S3 v Forge you may get more return for it at re-sale time as its easier to take off and re-sell compared to the lower value S3 item which most would leave on the car. This has just about swung it for me on which one to get.
Also from that thread can I assume purely in terms of performance the ko3 car will fell more benefit behind the wheel as it helps fix one of its big downfalls, breathless top end??
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TT,
Ok the responces to all 3 points make sense but the last point you make about the cancelling the "weak points" of each other; I can see what these are for the S3 item but apart from aesthetic and financial ones for the Forge item what are its weak points?
OK, it is a while since that last thread, so forgive me if I'm a bit forgetful.
So, the Forge 'weak points':
a/ it is efing expensive,
b/ it is not OEM and
c/ it is heavy
The Forge 'advantages':
a/ it provides a substantial increase in cooled area and volume (irrespective of what is sitting next to the rad)
b/ it isn't affected heat from the engine coolant rad
c/ its performance wont drop off if you use the air con
So when I said that 'one cancels out the other' - well yes, for some points, but not all. For example, both the S3 cooler and the Forge are both heavier than stock - so whilst you are gaining some extra weight from either or both - the 'performance' increases should more than counter the extra lard. One good thing about the Forge is that the weight is very low down - effectively just the bottom third of the total height of the stock i/c mount.
Also from that thread can I assume purely in terms of performance the ko3 car will fell more benefit behind the wheel as it helps fix one of its big downfalls, breathless top end??
Ahhhh, there are at least two separate benefits of upgrading the i/c:
a/ lower temperatures of charged air (benefits equal across the different motors)
b/ reduced internal resistance (all will benefit, but probably the K03 will benefit most near the red line)
c/ increased volume of charged air, so less 'cycling' of cut off valve due to slightly lower boost pressure, and turbo will be 'in spool' more consistently (all will benefit)
So, yes, the K03 does feel much, much freer at the top end.
And the slight drop in boost pressure does not make it more laggy either - it is all about CFMs. :wink:
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Thanks, a very thorough answer.
I notice that Forge don't list the black version, I take it you painted your yourself?
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Thanks, a very thorough answer.
I notice that Forge don't list the black version, I take it you painted your yourself?
You have to ask them to paint - if you deal direct with Forge, speak to Russell. They will warn you that they wont warranty the paint finish, so as long as you understand that, they will paint it before despatch for an extra £20. Both myself and Hurdy have the Forge, and have it painted black, and the paint seems to be holding up fine. What price have you been quoted BTW?
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£706.29 (in standard alloy finish) from JKM, cheaper than ebay and direct from Forge :shocked: Do you know of anywhere cheaper?
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Don't forget this http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=102905.0 :afro:
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I got a 'show deal' at last year's GTI International - £600 inc VAT for the cooler, hoses and other gubbins, and another £20 for spraying black. Maybe speak to Forge directly - either Russell or John, and ask them if they can do a deal. Butter them up saying how good their kit is, and how you know of others who got it for 600 notes . . . . and £700 is just too much, I might have to get the cheaper APR one . . . :wink:
Got nothing to loose, and Forge generally are extremely helpful - and the quality of their products are arguably the best you can get.
BTW, what is the current web price direct from Forge?
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Don't forget this http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=102905.0 :afro:
Well remembered that man! :wink:
Why do I always forget about that section of the forum . . . :rolleyes:
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Thanks guys. Will be looking at that discount on Mon. The best price on the web I have had so far is £705 from DPM in Newcastle.
Going to to have some phone calls next week to see who can do me a good deal.
Cheers Guys!!!
Edit current Forge price is
£682.50 exc VAT £784.87 inc VAT - gti forum discount 10% is £706
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That forge discount is a joke as awesome's normal price matches the twintercooler's discounted price.
http://www.awesome-gti.co.uk/product.php?xProd=6768
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That forge discount is a joke as awesome's normal price matches the twintercooler's discounted price.
http://www.awesome-gti.co.uk/product.php?xProd=6768
I'd hardly say that the Forge discount is a 'joke'! :rolleyes:
Perhaps you need to consider the 'partnerships' which exist between manufacturers of such bits, and their appointed stockists/workshops. If Forge were to routinely offer the part for a much cheaper price than their authorised stockists can sell it for, then Forge will just be shooting themselves in the foot - because Awesome might be tempted to say 'fcuk it - Forge are always undercutting our prices, we might as well finish with Forge, and start selling someone elses intercooler', or words to that effect. :wink:
But the above shouldn't affect one-off 'show specials' prices, or maybe a negociated a one-off extra discount which isn't published on any website. Which is why I suggested giving Forge a ring. :wink: :afro: