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Title: Pram wheels / space-saver spares . . .
Post by: Teutonic_Tamer on 12 September 2008, 22:09
Get em out the boot over the weekend and check the pressures.  :wink:

They should be set to 4.2bar/61psi, but last week end, when I was being anal, and hoovering the wheel well, thought I'd check the pressure for the first time in about 6 months, and it had dropped to 32psi.  :shocked:

EDIT: corrected/clarified pressure
Title: Re: Pram wheels / space-saver spares . . .
Post by: RedRobin on 12 September 2008, 22:11

....I keep meaning to check my steel spare's pressure, but at least I know my dealer checks it on a service.
Title: Re: Pram wheels / space-saver spares . . .
Post by: Cass on 12 September 2008, 22:13
Get em out the boot over the weekend and check the pressures.  :wink:

They should be set to 62psi, but last week end, when I was being anal, and hoovering the wheel well, thought I'd check the pressure for the first time in about 6 months, and it had dropped to 32psi.  :shocked:

Must have been a Dyson Animal - mine sucks up the floorboards :evil:

Cass
Title: Re: Pram wheels / space-saver spares . . .
Post by: Teutonic_Tamer on 12 September 2008, 22:14

....I keep meaning to check my steel spare's pressure, but at least I know my dealer checks it on a service.

They don't/won't check the spare if they have to remove it from the boot to access the valve - and the Golf space saver definately needs removing.  And I checked mine less than one week after its 20k service at the stealer!  :angry:
Title: Re: Pram wheels / space-saver spares . . .
Post by: RedRobin on 12 September 2008, 22:22

....I keep meaning to check my steel spare's pressure, but at least I know my dealer checks it on a service.

They don't/won't check the spare if they have to remove it from the boot to access the valve - and the Golf space saver definately needs removing.  And I checked mine less than one week after its 20k service at the stealer!  :angry:

....Perhaps it's not standard practice but mine will :smiley:
Title: Re: Pram wheels / space-saver spares . . .
Post by: Teutonic_Tamer on 12 September 2008, 22:38

....I keep meaning to check my steel spare's pressure, but at least I know my dealer checks it on a service.

They don't/won't check the spare if they have to remove it from the boot to access the valve - and the Golf space saver definately needs removing.  And I checked mine less than one week after its 20k service at the stealer!  :angry:

....Perhaps it's not standard practice but mine will :smiley:

I'd still recommend "hoicking" (as in Marc Benton in the Nationwide ads) it out the boot and checking for yourself!  Should you be unlucky enough to get a puncture, and it aint up to pressure - then your dealer and the little smiley won't be used in the same sentance!  :wink:
Title: Re: Pram wheels / space-saver spares . . .
Post by: RobGTI on 12 September 2008, 23:22
Interesting didn't know tyre pressure on the biscuit wheel was supposed to be so high.

BTW, I saw a guy last week pass my on the M50 in a Merc CLS with 3 big alloys and one biscuit on the back doing 90 -100, on the phone and in heavy rain, good cars eh? :laugh:
Title: Re: Pram wheels / space-saver spares . . .
Post by: bobotheclown on 12 September 2008, 23:37
I got this conversion kit so that I an have a full size spare wheel. It doesn't fit the GTI exactly so a little trimming was needed. Easy install and peace of mind that I have a full size spare wheel in the back. Takes up some boot space.

(http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll190/bobotheclown_gti/01a.jpg)

(http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll190/bobotheclown_gti/02a.jpg)
Title: Re: Pram wheels / space-saver spares . . .
Post by: Teutonic_Tamer on 12 September 2008, 23:38
Interesting didn't know tyre pressure on the biscuit wheel was supposed to be so high.

I think that is a "standard" pressure for all space savers, irrespective of what they are on - 4.2bar or 62psi.  The big yellow stickers on the actual wheel really identify them, and a couple of times in Germany, I've seen the German plod stopped at the roadside examining any car with a trolley wheel, and actually checking pressures!  :shocked:

BTW, I saw a guy last week pass my on the M50 in a Merc CLS with 3 big alloys and one biscuit on the back doing 90 -100, on the phone and in heavy rain, good cars eh? :laugh:

Nowt surprises me.  I reckon Merc drivers are the new "BMW" drivers, if you get my drift.  Usually, whenever I'm out on my bike, if anyone is trying to kill me, it is always a feckin Merc!  :angry:
Title: Re: Pram wheels / space-saver spares . . .
Post by: finlayjacobin on 13 September 2008, 08:37
Hey Bobotheclown, you bought that from me on ebay! Irecognise that drive, and the wing mirror shadow must be from my GTI!
Title: Re: Pram wheels / space-saver spares . . .
Post by: bobotheclown on 13 September 2008, 09:45
Finlay, I had been after something like this ever since I found out that the GTI had a space saver spare wheel and as I was doing alot of motorway driving at the time I needed a full size spare wheel Doing 50mph on a motorway is not very safe IMHO plus my round trip on the motorway was around 86miles and the space saver has a limit of 50miles as far as I know.

I borrowed your photos from ebay so that I could show the dealership what I wanted to buy as they had never heard of a full size spare wheel boot conversion thingamebob. The photos were really handy, thanks ever so much!
Title: Re: Pram wheels / space-saver spares . . .
Post by: R32UK on 13 September 2008, 09:47
Think thats bad TT... I was driving round on 29psi on all four tyres till I checked the other week :embarassed:
Title: Re: Pram wheels / space-saver spares . . .
Post by: Teutonic_Tamer on 13 September 2008, 10:44
Finlay, I had been after something like this ever since I found out that the GTI had a space saver spare wheel and as I was doing alot of motorway driving at the time I needed a full size spare wheel Doing 50mph on a motorway is not very safe IMHO plus my round trip on the motorway was around 86miles and the space saver has a limit of 50miles as far as I know.

Just a couple of minor corrections.

A proper space saver spare is not limited to any distance at all, like you stated above.  I think you have confused this with the "Tyre Mobility Systems", which are basically a bottle of tyre sealant - and these do have a limited distance, soley as a "get-you-home" measure.

You also stated, in your own opinion that space savers are not very safe.  When a space saver is correctly inflated to 4.2bar/61psi (a typo above), then it is perfectly safe, when used within the constraints of the big yellow sticker on the side.  OK, they arn't going to be beating Sabine Schmitz round the Nurburgring, but that isn't what they are designed for.  They arn't meant to be a "replacement" for your Michelin Pilot Sport PS2, or your Conti SportContact3 - but are meant to allow you to continue your journey indefiately, but using a bit of common sense, by sacrificing any sporting pretensions.  :smug:

The only reason a space saver would feel unsafe, is if it was not correctly inflated.  :nerd:
Title: Re: Pram wheels / space-saver spares . . .
Post by: Teutonic_Tamer on 13 September 2008, 10:47
Think thats bad TT... I was driving round on 29psi on all four tyres till I checked the other week :embarassed:

Tut tut!  :evil:  :evil:

That just goes to show how cack the TPMS is on the Golf!  :rolleyes:  I really don't know why VW use such cheap and innefective systems, when Audi can use the proper radio-based TPMS.  :angry:
Title: Re: Pram wheels / space-saver spares . . .
Post by: RedRobin on 13 September 2008, 11:48
Think thats bad TT... I was driving round on 29psi on all four tyres till I checked the other week :embarassed:

Tut tut!  :evil:  :evil:

That just goes to show how cack the TPMS is on the Golf!  :rolleyes:  I really don't know why VW use such cheap and innefective systems, when Audi can use the proper radio-based TPMS.  :angry:

....Tut tut! x2

Unfortunately the liklihood is that he didn't bother to use the TPMS.
Title: Re: Pram wheels / space-saver spares . . .
Post by: Teutonic_Tamer on 13 September 2008, 12:32
Think thats bad TT... I was driving round on 29psi on all four tyres till I checked the other week :embarassed:

Tut tut!  :evil:  :evil:

That just goes to show how cack the TPMS is on the Golf!  :rolleyes:  I really don't know why VW use such cheap and innefective systems, when Audi can use the proper radio-based TPMS.  :angry:

....Tut tut! x2

Unfortunately the liklihood is that he didn't bother to use the TPMS.

Huh - The TPMS is always active!  :rolleyes:  :smiley:  You can not turn it off, like you can with the ESP.
Title: Re: Pram wheels / space-saver spares . . .
Post by: RedRobin on 13 September 2008, 12:56
Think thats bad TT... I was driving round on 29psi on all four tyres till I checked the other week :embarassed:

Tut tut!  :evil:  :evil:

That just goes to show how cack the TPMS is on the Golf!  :rolleyes:  I really don't know why VW use such cheap and innefective systems, when Audi can use the proper radio-based TPMS.  :angry:

....Tut tut! x2

Unfortunately the liklihood is that he didn't bother to use the TPMS.

Huh - The TPMS is always active!  :rolleyes:  :smiley:  You can not turn it off, like you can with the ESP.

....Yes, but don't you have to set it so it has a datum to subsequently alert a deviation from? In other words, its alert system relies on human input to reset the datum.
Title: Re: Pram wheels / space-saver spares . . .
Post by: bacillus on 13 September 2008, 14:09
Well after reading this thread I checked my spare tyre pressure and it was only 3.4 bar!

Done the deed and inflated it to the correct 4.2 bar.
Title: Re: Pram wheels / space-saver spares . . .
Post by: Teutonic_Tamer on 13 September 2008, 15:14
Think thats bad TT... I was driving round on 29psi on all four tyres till I checked the other week :embarassed:

Tut tut!  :evil:  :evil:

That just goes to show how cack the TPMS is on the Golf!  :rolleyes:  I really don't know why VW use such cheap and innefective systems, when Audi can use the proper radio-based TPMS.  :angry:

....Tut tut! x2

Unfortunately the liklihood is that he didn't bother to use the TPMS.

Huh - The TPMS is always active!  :rolleyes:  :smiley:  You can not turn it off, like you can with the ESP.

....Yes, but don't you have to set it so it has a datum to subsequently alert a deviation from? In other words, its alert system relies on human input to reset the datum.

Your are correct that it needs to be "set", but this is initially done by the stealer as part of the PDI, and should be reset, again by the stealer on every service where the pressures are checked.  If the "initiation" procedure wasn't carried out, then the TPMS will give a constant alert anyway!  This can all be found in the workshop manuals listed in the sticky.  :wink:

So, pedantically, yes, it does need setting - but in reality, once it has been set, that's it - just wait for it to tell you your boots are leaking.  But the trouble is, it don't - unless you are virtually on your rims, and by then, it will be too late.

So my initial conclusion still stands - the system on the Golf is useless  :sick:  :angry: - unlike the system which Audi uses (which monitors the actual pressure inside each tyre).  :cool:
Title: Re: Pram wheels / space-saver spares . . .
Post by: Mew on 13 September 2008, 15:16
Finlay, I had been after something like this ever since I found out that the GTI had a space saver spare wheel and as I was doing alot of motorway driving at the time I needed a full size spare wheel Doing 50mph on a motorway is not very safe IMHO plus my round trip on the motorway was around 86miles and the space saver has a limit of 50miles as far as I know.

Just a couple of minor corrections.

You also stated, in your own opinion that space savers are not very safe.  When a space saver is correctly inflated to 4.2bar/61psi (a typo above), then it is perfectly safe, when used within the constraints of the big yellow sticker on the side.  OK, they arn't going to be beating Sabine Schmitz round the Nurburgring, but that isn't what they are designed for.  They arn't meant to be a "replacement" for your Michelin Pilot Sport PS2, or your Conti SportContact3 - but are meant to allow you to continue your journey indefiately, but using a bit of common sense, by sacrificing any sporting pretensions.  :smug:

The only reason a space saver would feel unsafe, is if it was not correctly inflated.  :nerd:

I think he stated that doing 50mph on a motorway isn't safe in his opinion, nowhere in that quote does it say "space savers are not very safe" :smug:
Title: Re: Pram wheels / space-saver spares . . .
Post by: Teutonic_Tamer on 13 September 2008, 15:17
Well after reading this thread I checked my spare tyre pressure and it was only 3.4 bar!

Done the deed and inflated it to the correct 4.2 bar.

Thanks for the reply.  :smiley:

So this proves that of the two who have checked, two have found a considerable pressure loss.

So come on the rest of you - it's dry out there, get 'em out and get checking.  :rolleyes:  :smiley:
Title: Re: Pram wheels / space-saver spares . . .
Post by: RedRobin on 13 September 2008, 15:25
....Yes, but don't you have to set it so it has a datum to subsequently alert a deviation from? In other words, its alert system relies on human input to reset the datum.

Your are correct that it needs to be "set", but this is initially done by the stealer as part of the PDI, and should be reset, again by the stealer on every service where the pressures are checked.  If the "initiation" procedure wasn't carried out, then the TPMS will give a constant alert anyway!  This can all be found in the workshop manuals listed in the sticky.  :wink:

So, pedantically, yes, it does need setting - but in reality, once it has been set, that's it - just wait for it to tell you your boots are leaking.  But the trouble is, it don't - unless you are virtually on your rims, and by then, it will be too late.

So my initial conclusion still stands - the system on the Golf is useless  :sick:  :angry: - unlike the system which Audi uses (which monitors the actual pressure inside each tyre).  :cool:

....I beg to differ, TT - The initial setting may well be done under PDI but subsequently, according to the handbook, you are meant to reset it after any change of tyre/s or after changing pressures - Which is what I do by switching on ignition and pressing the button and holding until the beep.

Audi's system is doubtless better but you pay much more for an Audi.
Title: Re: Pram wheels / space-saver spares . . .
Post by: Teutonic_Tamer on 13 September 2008, 15:26
Finlay, I had been after something like this ever since I found out that the GTI had a space saver spare wheel and as I was doing alot of motorway driving at the time I needed a full size spare wheel Doing 50mph on a motorway is not very safe IMHO plus my round trip on the motorway was around 86miles and the space saver has a limit of 50miles as far as I know.

Just a couple of minor corrections.

You also stated, in your own opinion that space savers are not very safe.  When a space saver is correctly inflated to 4.2bar/61psi (a typo above), then it is perfectly safe, when used within the constraints of the big yellow sticker on the side.  OK, they arn't going to be beating Sabine Schmitz round the Nurburgring, but that isn't what they are designed for.  They arn't meant to be a "replacement" for your Michelin Pilot Sport PS2, or your Conti SportContact3 - but are meant to allow you to continue your journey indefiately, but using a bit of common sense, by sacrificing any sporting pretensions.  :smug:

The only reason a space saver would feel unsafe, is if it was not correctly inflated.  :nerd:

I think he stated that doing 50mph on a motorway isn't safe in his opinion, nowhere in that quote does it say "space savers are not very safe" :smug:

Erm, and if you read my post, you will clearly see that I accredited the safeness to Bobs opinion!  :sad:  <sigh>

But we don't know if that "feeling" of being unsafe was in fact down to low pressure in the space saver.  Based on the two reports in this thread which both confirm a considerable pressure loss, then I would very strongly suspect that Bob also had a significant pressure loss too.  :smug:

Furthermore, these space savers will have been comprehensively checked to make sure they are up to the job - and if there was any doubt about them being "unsafe at 50mph", then that BFO yellow sticker on the wheel will be downgraded to a lower speed - but it ain't, so they are 100% safe at 50mph.  Just 'cause they look mighty wierd (which they certainly do), that shouldn't be reason for doubting them.
Title: Re: Pram wheels / space-saver spares . . .
Post by: RedRobin on 13 September 2008, 15:31
So come on the rest of you - it's dry out there, get 'em out and get checking.  :rolleyes:  :smiley:

.... :rolleyes: Every time I'm nice and comfy indoors (currently perving on Charlie Webster watching the GP2 race at Monza on ITV4) you tell me to go out for a walk to my garage and get the car out, which I have to do to open the boot fully.

I've got a lot of driving on Monday (TTshop and VWR) so you can fecking wait until Sunday when I'll be checking my tyre pressures and resetting my TM button anyway! :grin: :wink: :smiley:
Title: Re: Pram wheels / space-saver spares . . .
Post by: Mew on 13 September 2008, 15:33
You also stated, in your own opinion that space savers are not very safe. 

I still don't see where you got that from?
Title: Re: Pram wheels / space-saver spares . . .
Post by: Teutonic_Tamer on 13 September 2008, 15:40
....Yes, but don't you have to set it so it has a datum to subsequently alert a deviation from? In other words, its alert system relies on human input to reset the datum.

Your are correct that it needs to be "set", but this is initially done by the stealer as part of the PDI, and should be reset, again by the stealer on every service where the pressures are checked.  If the "initiation" procedure wasn't carried out, then the TPMS will give a constant alert anyway!  This can all be found in the workshop manuals listed in the sticky.  :wink:

So, pedantically, yes, it does need setting - but in reality, once it has been set, that's it - just wait for it to tell you your boots are leaking.  But the trouble is, it don't - unless you are virtually on your rims, and by then, it will be too late.

So my initial conclusion still stands - the system on the Golf is useless  :sick:  :angry: - unlike the system which Audi uses (which monitors the actual pressure inside each tyre).  :cool:

....I beg to differ, TT - The initial setting may well be done under PDI but subsequently, according to the handbook, you are meant to reset it after any change of tyre/s or after changing pressures - Which is what I do by switching on ignition and pressing the button and holding until the beep.

I'm sorry, but I very, very strongly disagree, and I feel that you are now trying to "cloud the water"!  Lets get this perfectly clear - of course, IF you change wheels/tyres, or IF you change pressures, THEN you should pressand hold the button.  That is an accepted fact, and it clearly states this in the owners manual.  Period.  Move on.

However, we were NOT referring to the above!  What we were referring to, is when the TPMS had already been set (after any checking and adjustment of pressures) - how how useless the system is at detecting any significant pressure loss.  This "complaint" has been very clearly documented in the US NHTSA, and their report is very critical of this specific system NOT being able to detect pressure loss until it is way too late.

I really don't see how you can not support such a clear point of view!  :rolleyes:

Furthermore, you should NOT continually be pressing the button as a matter of routine, UNLESS you have specifically checked (and altered if necessary) the pressures!  :rolleyes:

Audi's system is doubtless better but you pay much more for an Audi.

Firstly, both systems require identical operation by the driver, and secondly, the difference in the price between the two systems is very insignificant.

But the Audi system will warn me of a pressure difference of around 4psi - yet the Golf system won't warn until about a 20psi difference.  Secondly, the Audi system will specifically tell me if a wheel has been changed, the Golf system is unable to do so.
Title: Re: Pram wheels / space-saver spares . . .
Post by: Teutonic_Tamer on 13 September 2008, 15:42
You also stated, in your own opinion that space savers are not very safe. 

I still don't see where you got that from?

Did you actually read the full detail of the relevent posts?  I specifically highlighted it just for you in reply #22 of this thread!  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Pram wheels / space-saver spares . . .
Post by: Mew on 13 September 2008, 15:45
Yep, take away all bold bits, where does he say that spacesavers are not safe? All i see is driving at 50mph isn't very safe, and from reading that i don't take it to be questioning whether or not the tyre itself is safe

edit:  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Pram wheels / space-saver spares . . .
Post by: RedRobin on 13 September 2008, 15:55
....Do stay cool, TT - We are talking at slight cross-purposes it now appears.

Amidst all your words, I missed that you were talking about after changing tyres/pressures etc and about the point at which the system bothers to inform you about pressure loss.

Presumably, although the Audi system is better, being more sophisticated, it'll be more expensive - Nothing wrong in that.
 
:cool:

Title: Re: Pram wheels / space-saver spares . . .
Post by: Teutonic_Tamer on 13 September 2008, 16:04
....Do stay cool, TT - We are talking at slight cross-purposes it now appears.

Amidst all your words, I missed that you were talking about after changing tyres/pressures etc and about the point at which the system bothers to inform you about pressure loss.

Presumably, although the Audi system is better, being more sophisticated, it'll be more expensive - Nothing wrong in that.
 
:cool:

OK, crossed wires and all that (though I did think I made myself clear  :rolleyes:).  Anyway, no worries, I'm chilled.  :smiley:

But the point on the "Audi" system is that it really isn't much more expensive than the system which the Golf uses.  And just for clarity, the system which Audi uses isn't their "own" system.  It is a commercially available system, made by Beru, and can also be found on other makes, including Renault, Citroen, Peugeot and Ford.  Again, the system on the Golf is a commercially available system, made by ATE.  So my point is, they are both "off the shelf" systems, costing similar prices - so why does VW fit the shyte one, yet Audi (and Renault, Ford, etc) fit a hugely more accurate system!
Title: Re: Pram wheels / space-saver spares . . .
Post by: RedRobin on 13 September 2008, 16:38

....Yes, TT, you did make yourself clear after I had re-read it a couple of times - Lots of info to absorb! :smiley:

Yes, it's easy to assume that a better system, like the Audi's, would cost more - Especially as we are used to Audi's always costing more than VW's and so have a perception that it must be because of better this and that being fitted.

So why does VW fit the "shyte one"? Lack of any coordination between various design teams within VAG?

:afro:

[Charlie Webster is no longer on the telly, so I can probably concentrate better now]
Title: Re: Pram wheels / space-saver spares . . .
Post by: Teutonic_Tamer on 14 September 2008, 10:27
So why does VW fit the "shyte one"? Lack of any coordination between various design teams within VAG?

I doubt it would be that.  Indeed, the very opposite, in that the various marques would all be exceedingly closely monitored by the overall Volkswagen Group.  Afterall, it just wouldn't do to have a Seat with better quality plastics, and more precise switchgear compared to an Audi!  :rolleyes:

No, VAG very carefull monitor their brands/marques, to ensure that each one "fits in" to their (VAG) desired market "segment" - which is completely reasonable.  Any Audi owner would be pi$$ed off if a Å koda Octavia had better leathers, plastics and ergonomics than an A4.  However, the TPMS is a crucial "safety" item, and the same quality should be leveled across all marques.  The ESP systems are a concern too.  Audis use the unrefutable "best" system, which is the Bosch 8.0/ESP, yet VW use a Teves ESP system on the Golf5, which I personally don't find as "refined" - even when compared to the older Bosch 5.7/ESP on my previous S4.


Charlie Webster is no longer on the telly, so I can probably concentrate better now

EEEEwwwwww - She's a minging hound!  :sick:  Even Mrs T said she was fugly!  :shocked:
Title: Re: Pram wheels / space-saver spares . . .
Post by: RedRobin on 14 September 2008, 10:45

....I'm not sure but I thought I read somewhere that the new Mk6 Golf uses a Bosch 8.0.

Btw, today I'll be checking my space-saver's pressure and all my tyres before a long drive at dawn up to TTshop and VWR tomorrow :smiley: :smiley:
Title: Re: Pram wheels / space-saver spares . . .
Post by: Teutonic_Tamer on 14 September 2008, 10:50
....I'm not sure but I thought I read somewhere that the new Mk6 Golf uses a Bosch 8.0.

I hope it does, though I doub't it, because the new Rocco (which is just a Mk6 in drag  :laugh:) still uses the Teves one!  :rolleyes:

Btw, today I'll be checking my space-saver's pressure and all my tyres before a long drive at dawn up to TTshop and VWR tomorrow :smiley: :smiley:

Watching this space for your update!  :tongue:  :wink:  :grin:
Title: Re: Pram wheels / space-saver spares . . .
Post by: RedRobin on 14 September 2008, 11:05
....I'm not sure but I thought I read somewhere that the new Mk6 Golf uses a Bosch 8.0.

I hope it does, though I doub't it, because the new Rocco (which is just a Mk6 in drag  :laugh:) still uses the Teves one!  :rolleyes:

Btw, today I'll be checking my space-saver's pressure and all my tyres before a long drive at dawn up to TTshop and VWR tomorrow :smiley: :smiley:

Watching this space for your update!  :tongue:  :wink:  :grin:

....The "Mk6 in drag" doesn't have any red lipstick yet! :grin:

....Don't hold your breath! I'm not a pro test driver but just a 60yo git driver who enjoys driving. Much of what you'll be consuming will doubtless have large dollops of my enthusiasm laced with placebo sauce. I'll do my best though to write an objective review.

:afro:
Title: Re: Pram wheels / space-saver spares . . .
Post by: R32UK on 14 September 2008, 13:39
Think thats bad TT... I was driving round on 29psi on all four tyres till I checked the other week :embarassed:

Tut tut!  :evil:  :evil:

That just goes to show how cack the TPMS is on the Golf!  :rolleyes:  I really don't know why VW use such cheap and innefective systems, when Audi can use the proper radio-based TPMS.  :angry:

....Tut tut! x2

Unfortunately the liklihood is that he didn't bother to use the TPMS.

Huh - The TPMS is always active!  :rolleyes:  :smiley:  You can not turn it off, like you can with the ESP.

....Yes, but don't you have to set it so it has a datum to subsequently alert a deviation from? In other words, its alert system relies on human input to reset the datum.

Your are correct that it needs to be "set", but this is initially done by the stealer as part of the PDI, and should be reset, again by the stealer on every service where the pressures are checked.  If the "initiation" procedure wasn't carried out, then the TPMS will give a constant alert anyway!  This can all be found in the workshop manuals listed in the sticky.  :wink:

So, pedantically, yes, it does need setting - but in reality, once it has been set, that's it - just wait for it to tell you your boots are leaking.  But the trouble is, it don't - unless you are virtually on your rims, and by then, it will be too late.

So my initial conclusion still stands - the system on the Golf is useless  :sick:  :angry: - unlike the system which Audi uses (which monitors the actual pressure inside each tyre).  :cool:

TBH your both probably right! Have often wondered what the button next to the ESP did so would sit there and play with it until it made a very satisfying "Ping" sound. Only read up on this recently which originally prompted me to check the tyre pressure to find they were only 29psi.

By my own dizzy admission I had checked them previously at my local filling station but mistook 2,9 Bar as 29psi. Why dont VW just state what the psi should be as well. Currently running at 43 psi front and back... sound about right???
Title: Re: Pram wheels / space-saver spares . . .
Post by: Teutonic_Tamer on 14 September 2008, 15:21
By my own dizzy admission I had checked them previously at my local filling station but mistook 2,9 Bar as 29psi. Why dont VW just state what the psi should be as well. Currently running at 43 psi front and back... sound about right???

I'm not sure for the R32 (as it is heavier than the GTI), but "recommended" pressures for "normal" loads on the GTI with 18" rims are 35psi all round, and fully laden - F: 38psi, R: 44psi.

But I personally run the GTI with F: 42psi and R: 37psi.

If you get confused over the bar and psi readings, this handy little conversion site will help: http://www.convert-me.com/en/convert/pressure
Title: Re: Pram wheels / space-saver spares . . .
Post by: R32UK on 14 September 2008, 15:58
By my own dizzy admission I had checked them previously at my local filling station but mistook 2,9 Bar as 29psi. Why dont VW just state what the psi should be as well. Currently running at 43 psi front and back... sound about right???

I'm not sure for the R32 (as it is heavier than the GTI), but "recommended" pressures for "normal" loads on the GTI with 18" rims are 35psi all round, and fully laden - F: 38psi, R: 44psi.

But I personally run the GTI with F: 42psi and R: 37psi.

If you get confused over the bar and psi readings, this handy little conversion site will help: http://www.convert-me.com/en/convert/pressure

Just checked the petrol cap for the suggested pressures and are as follows for mine..

Less weight - 2.8 Bar front and back (40psi)

More weight - 3.0 front and 3.2 back (43.5psi & 46.5) approx
Title: Re: Pram wheels / space-saver spares . . .
Post by: 08micsta on 14 September 2008, 16:46
Will tell my dad to check the GTi tomorrow with regards to this.

OT- What bike do you have TT?
Title: Re: Pram wheels / space-saver spares . . .
Post by: RedRobin on 14 September 2008, 17:44

....Just checked my space-saver - Was 35 psi and is now 61 psi.
Title: Re: Pram wheels / space-saver spares . . .
Post by: DJGTi on 14 September 2008, 18:15

So this proves that of the two who have checked, two have found a considerable pressure loss.

So come on the rest of you - it's dry out there, get 'em out and get checking.  :rolleyes:  :smiley:

Just checked mine. Was at 41psi. Now corrected :smiley:. Thanks for the heads up.
Title: Re: Pram wheels / space-saver spares . . .
Post by: garethmk1 on 15 September 2008, 00:50
Very interesting thread - and yes I'll check my pram wheel tomorrow.  Regarding the earlier discussion regarding the low tyre pressure indicator, when I originally picked up the ED30, I had a problem with a valve on the rear passenger side wheel.  As the tyre's were inflated to 38psi, the indicator didn't sound until the tyre reached 28psi I know this as when it first sounded I was nearing a Tesco's garage ... don't know if this helps solve your query.  Secondly, I was told by the stealer that the ED30 comes standard with run flat tyres, my veh was initially fitted with Bridgestone Potenza RE050, and now with the initial bridgestones on the front and new Conti Contact Sport 3's on the rear.  I hate running with mismatched tyres but thats another story all together ... damned maintenance package, any how - are these tyres run flats ??? Conducted some brief reasearch on line and at the mo its a bit inconclusive, I was never really concerned with the spare as I thought in most puncture situations the supposed "run flats" will get me home.

Regards,

Gareth
Title: Re: Pram wheels / space-saver spares . . .
Post by: bacillus on 15 September 2008, 09:31
I don't think our cars ever came with run-flat tyres.

The Bridgestones are definetely not run flat.
Title: Re: Pram wheels / space-saver spares . . .
Post by: Teutonic_Tamer on 15 September 2008, 12:37
By my own dizzy admission I had checked them previously at my local filling station but mistook 2,9 Bar as 29psi. Why dont VW just state what the psi should be as well. Currently running at 43 psi front and back... sound about right???

I'm not sure for the R32 (as it is heavier than the GTI), but "recommended" pressures for "normal" loads on the GTI with 18" rims are 35psi all round, and fully laden - F: 38psi, R: 44psi.

But I personally run the GTI with F: 42psi and R: 37psi.

If you get confused over the bar and psi readings, this handy little conversion site will help: http://www.convert-me.com/en/convert/pressure

Just checked the petrol cap for the suggested pressures and are as follows for mine..

Less weight - 2.8 Bar front and back (40psi)

More weight - 3.0 front and 3.2 back (43.5psi & 46.5) approx

Well - what have you set them to?  Bearing in mind that the most up to date advice it to now run your tyre pressures at max load settings all the time!  :nerd:
Title: Re: Pram wheels / space-saver spares . . .
Post by: Teutonic_Tamer on 15 September 2008, 12:39
Will tell my dad to check the GTi tomorrow with regards to this.

Well - did he take your "instructions" ???  :grin:  And what was the pressure?


OT- What bike do you have TT?

Honda CBR600FX  :cool:
Title: Re: Pram wheels / space-saver spares . . .
Post by: Teutonic_Tamer on 15 September 2008, 12:43

....Just checked my space-saver - Was 35 psi and is now 61 psi.

Hmmmmmm.  So now your undying faith in your own stealer must be dashed somwhat, because you claimed earlier in the thread that they do check the space saver!  :rolleyes:

I have a copy of the "official" maintenance check list, and they ONLY check the pressures in the four wheels at each corner.  The spare is just annotated as "space saver" on the check list.  :nerd:  :smug:
Title: Re: Pram wheels / space-saver spares . . .
Post by: Teutonic_Tamer on 15 September 2008, 12:48

So this proves that of the two who have checked, two have found a considerable pressure loss.

So come on the rest of you - it's dry out there, get 'em out and get checking.  :rolleyes:  :smiley:

Just checked mine. Was at 41psi. Now corrected :smiley:. Thanks for the heads up.

Thanks for the reply.  :smiley:


So this thread is comprehensively confirming, 100% that all space saver spares which have been checked are all significantly under-inflated.  So anyone else out there who is reading this, please spend a quarter of an hour checking your own.  :rolleyes:

None of us will hopefully need the damned thing, but IF you do, you'll be glad you pumped it up, or you'll be kicking yourself for ignoring my advice!  :smiley:
Title: Re: Pram wheels / space-saver spares . . .
Post by: Teutonic_Tamer on 15 September 2008, 12:55
Very interesting thread - and yes I'll check my pram wheel tomorrow.

Please update us with your findings.  :smiley:

Regarding the earlier discussion regarding the low tyre pressure indicator, when I originally picked up the ED30, I had a problem with a valve on the rear passenger side wheel.  As the tyre's were inflated to 38psi, the indicator didn't sound until the tyre reached 28psi I know this as when it first sounded I was nearing a Tesco's garage ... don't know if this helps solve your query.

That just goes to show how cack the Golf TPMS is - particularly as the "28psi" will be a "hot" pressure, and the "cold" pressure would have been more like 22psi!  :rolleyes:

Secondly, I was told by the stealer that the ED30 comes standard with run flat tyres, my veh was initially fitted with Bridgestone Potenza RE050, and now with the initial bridgestones on the front and new Conti Contact Sport 3's on the rear.  I hate running with mismatched tyres but thats another story all together ... damned maintenance package, any how - are these tyres run flats ??? Conducted some brief reasearch on line and at the mo its a bit inconclusive, I was never really concerned with the spare as I thought in most puncture situations the supposed "run flats" will get me home.

Golfs certainly do not have run-flats.  If they did, why would they also need a spare?  :huh:  Useless fcuking stealers!  :rolleyes:

RE050 as a matched pair on the front, and a matched pair of CSC3s on the rear should be fine.  :smiley:
Title: Re: Pram wheels / space-saver spares . . .
Post by: RedRobin on 15 September 2008, 12:58

....Just checked my space-saver - Was 35 psi and is now 61 psi.

Hmmmmmm.  So now your undying faith in your own stealer must be dashed somwhat, because you claimed earlier in the thread that they do check the space saver!  :rolleyes:

I have a copy of the "official" maintenance check list, and they ONLY check the pressures in the four wheels at each corner.  The spare is just annotated as "space saver" on the check list.  :nerd:  :smug:

....I'm confident that they have checked the space-saver's pressure some 25k miles ago but it would appear that either it lost nearly 30 psi (unlikely) or that the guy who did it merely put it to the same 35 psi as all my other tyres. No, I haven't lost faith in my VW dealer as yet.
Title: Re: Pram wheels / space-saver spares . . .
Post by: Teutonic_Tamer on 15 September 2008, 13:07

....Just checked my space-saver - Was 35 psi and is now 61 psi.

Hmmmmmm.  So now your undying faith in your own stealer must be dashed somwhat, because you claimed earlier in the thread that they do check the space saver!  :rolleyes:

I have a copy of the "official" maintenance check list, and they ONLY check the pressures in the four wheels at each corner.  The spare is just annotated as "space saver" on the check list.  :nerd:  :smug:

....I'm confident that they have checked the space-saver's pressure some 25k miles ago but it would appear that either it lost nearly 30 psi (unlikely) or that the guy who did it merely put it to the same 35 psi as all my other tyres. No, I haven't lost faith in my VW dealer as yet.

If he did do that, then the guy is a complete and utter incompetent fcuk-wit, and needs sacking!  :shocked:

It is a very clear, industry-wide standard, that ALL space savers, on all makes of passenger cars are set to an "industry standard" 4.2 bar - which is 61psi.  If the idiot can not tell the difference between a normal roadwheel/tyre, and the ultra skinny shiny black space saver, complete with BFO bright yellow stickers, then they really shouldn't even be working on a bicycle, let alone a car.  The results of his actions could be very dangerous, and lead to fatalities on the roads.
Title: Re: Pram wheels / space-saver spares . . .
Post by: RedRobin on 15 September 2008, 13:19

.... :rolleyes:

Thanks, T-T, for bringing the correct tyre pressure issue to our attention :smiley: I shall be taking your advice on this one and keeping an eye on my space-saver, although I also carry a 'get-me-home' can of foam (or whatever gunk it is).
Title: Re: Pram wheels / space-saver spares . . .
Post by: Teutonic_Tamer on 15 September 2008, 13:29

.... :rolleyes:

Thanks, T-T, for bringing the correct tyre pressure issue to our attention :smiley: I shall be taking your advice on this one and keeping an eye on my space-saver, although I also carry a 'get-me-home' can of foam (or whatever gunk it is).

That is all I have room for in the boot of the RS - well a bottle of slime, and a dinky air compressor!  :sick:  :grin:
Title: Re: Pram wheels / space-saver spares . . .
Post by: RedRobin on 15 September 2008, 13:40

.... :rolleyes:

Thanks, T-T, for bringing the correct tyre pressure issue to our attention :smiley: I shall be taking your advice on this one and keeping an eye on my space-saver, although I also carry a 'get-me-home' can of foam (or whatever gunk it is).

That is all I have room for in the boot of the RS - well a bottle of slime, and a dinky air compressor!  :sick:  :grin:

....But the boot of the Audi is Huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuge!! :shocked:
Title: Re: Pram wheels / space-saver spares . . .
Post by: Teutonic_Tamer on 15 September 2008, 13:50

.... :rolleyes:

Thanks, T-T, for bringing the correct tyre pressure issue to our attention :smiley: I shall be taking your advice on this one and keeping an eye on my space-saver, although I also carry a 'get-me-home' can of foam (or whatever gunk it is).

That is all I have room for in the boot of the RS - well a bottle of slime, and a dinky air compressor!  :sick:  :grin:

....But the boot of the Audi is Huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuge!! :shocked:

Yes, but the "spare wheel well" is take up with a massive 110Ah battery.  Image is from a US RS4 which has a smaller battery and a slightly different black polystyrene storage tray.  My batt is about another 2 inches wider!  :shocked:
(http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t108/Teutonic_Tamer/Misc_26.jpg)
Title: Re: Pram wheels / space-saver spares . . .
Post by: Top Cat on 15 September 2008, 17:40
Checked mine this afternoon it was at 55psi but on the tyre wall it says maximum 60 psi   :undecided:
is it wise to inflate it past tyre max.  :lipsrsealed:
Title: Re: Pram wheels / space-saver spares . . .
Post by: Teutonic_Tamer on 15 September 2008, 17:46
Checked mine this afternoon it was at 55psi

How old is your car?

but on the tyre wall it says maximum 60 psi   :undecided:

And now read the rest of that sentance on the tyre!  :tongue:  It should say sommat like "for US and Canada only",  :nerd: and isn't applicable to the rest of the world who are able to use a little common sense!  :evil:

is it wise to inflate it past tyre max.  :lipsrsealed:

Wont do any harm to add another 10psi or so, to allow for gradual leakage.
Title: Re: Pram wheels / space-saver spares . . .
Post by: Top Cat on 15 September 2008, 17:49
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How old is your car?

it landed on my doorstep middle of May.  :smiley:
Title: Re: Pram wheels / space-saver spares . . .
Post by: SteveP on 15 September 2008, 19:35
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How old is your car?

it landed on my doorstep middle of May.  :smiley:

I know you owners of CW GTI's think they are magic, but making out they can fly is taking it a bit too far :wink: :laugh: :laugh: