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Model specific boards => Golf mk5 => Topic started by: Phil mcavity on 18 August 2008, 16:30
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Anyone else who owns a standard ed30 that sometimes suffers under hard accelaration, total power loss and traction control light flashes up when power dies off when i accelate hard in a straight line??. id expect this to happen in hard cornering etc and the traction control is just keeping the car pointing the right direction, but from a standing start, the minute i get wheel spin, the traction control is cutting the power completely. If i turn off the traction control, all is well, and has no problem.But seeing a constant yellow warning light on my dash display is annoying. Is anyone elses this delicate or is my car producing too much torque??
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Hi Phil sounds like your putting too much power down too quickly...? try progressive acceleration, get rolling then once in second put your foot down. If it still does it you may need to get it booked into the stealer to have the T/C looked at.
Darren
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Sounds like the traction control doing it's job to me. The throttle doesn't have to be an on/off switch :tongue:
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Sounds like the traction control doing it's job to me. The throttle doesn't have to be an on/off switch :tongue:
I had this problem too, but mine was wheel spin in 4th at 80 leptons. :rolleyes:
Seriously though, have you just noticed this or has it been happening a while?. I doubt very much that it the engine is developing too much torque for the car to handle. What was the weather like when you noticed it, wet road, dry road, greasy road?
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flooring it from stand still with esp on is always rubbish it just judders aroundand u look like a fool, even with it off u never get a good start if you floor it as mortygt140 says its all about been progressive on the go faster pedal, i use first just to get it rolling then straight into 2nd and floor it(esp on will still flash) without is all good!
always turn esp off! :evil:
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esp off then for special occasions then!, it seems to be on lumpy road surfaces only. My standard GTi dsg never done it at all whether i floored it from the off. Must be the extra 30 horses making the esp work for a change!.
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I test drove two GTis and both were ED30s. Found that if you floor it from standstill, the car judders and doesn't accelerate well. Like [b[Gtijames[/b], found that a slower start and quickshift to 2nd gear is better.
Not tried driving with ESP off.
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lol, funny that!!
traction control light is coming on when ur losing traction?
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lol, funny that!!
traction control light is coming on when ur losing traction?
yeah i ment traction control light is coming on when engine power is lost, and the car wants to come to a standstill.yes looks light i'll have to be lighter on the gas pedal and be more progressive on the throttle. My standard GTi's didnt have this problem, i could always get traction (except in the wet) when flooring the throttle.
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Yup had that once. Foot down the floor with S selected. Too much wheel spin. TC light flashing. Next minute the power is cut and I nearly shot through the windscreen!!! :shocked:
Too much of a leadfoot, I ease the power in now. :wink:
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yea usual. doesnt matter what your up against, slipping tyres will kick in esp and yellow light, and cut the power... i turn esp off when i feel the need to overtake etc, car is sooo much more alive with it off
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cheers steve and tagnut :smiley:, must not press the go pedal as hard in future.
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....Safer to keep the ESP on but learn how to progressively feed the throttle, imo.
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Yeah had this problem a few times, I also need to gradually introduce the power to the road. Horrible when it happens, big judder and no power for about 2 seconds...nearly nutting the steering wheel is not a good look when your racing.
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esp off :cool:
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esp off :cool:
....Keep it for the track.
On the road, incidents happen when you least expect them - At such times you may be very glad you had ESP on. As topher says: "The throttle doesn't have to be an on/off switch". You'll actually get there faster if you feed the throttle progressively rather than losing time scrabbling around. IMO.
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TC on the golf is far too instrusive imho , and would be nice to have adjustable limits
(surely it cant be too long before a software manufacturer does this?).
Like the E46 M3 CSL / CS with track mode , we could have a Golf 'R' button :evil:
In the absence of being able to change this , and as RR states Id like ESP to 'attempt' to save me in a serious accident!
(my attitude to ESP off has changed a little)
you need to improve grip , so the limits arent reached.
suspension / ARB / camber setup would all help, better tyres
also dog bone mount to reduce the 'harsh' feel to axle tramp.
I know Im keen to reduce the understeer in my ED30 as a priority
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....A Quaiffe ATB diff will also contribute, john_o :smiley:
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'the holy grail' a yes I forgot thnks.
Probably better value come to think of it in £/improvement compared to all the other stuff.
So maybe should do that first :tongue:
Breaking the warranty i guess is then the only issue (if your names not RR :smug:)
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Breaking the warranty i guess is then the only issue (if your names not RR :smug:)
....I'm now out of warranty but being supplied and installed by VW Racing has full support. The Quaife is simply not a component likely to cause issues. If anything it will help the DSG.
[sorry to go off-topic]
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its not even that the esp reduces power enough to stop the slip... it pretty much cuts it off all together, and i think that is pretty dangerous in itself.
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When the MKV GTI first came out all the reviews said that the ESP was excellent and unobtrusive. They must have been on about the ESP stopping a slide rather than the TC kicking in.
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....Apart from the issue I reported due to a mix of Goodyear Assymetrics and Directionals, I haven't had any issues with ESP during the 3 years I've owned the GTI. Perhaps some of you guys have a different driving style.
We seem to be going around in circles here - Some of us don't have an ESP problem and others do and prefer it off.
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I dont think its circles just a varied set of parameters mean the ESP envelope covers a wide range of us mkv owners driving scenarios
driver style
car torque delivery / remap
susp mods
tyre types +/- pressures
e.g. remapped ED30 on remoulds (that have too high a pressure and incorrect camber) in the wet = some ESP issues :grin:
well sorted suspension+LSD+slicks+dry road = no ESP at all
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I dont think its circles just a varied set of parameters mean the ESP envelope covers a wide range of us mkv owners driving scenarios
driver style
car torque delivery / remap
susp mods
tyre types +/- pressures
e.g. remapped ED30 on remoulds (that have too high a pressure and incorrect camber) in the wet = some ESP issues :grin:
well sorted suspension+LSD+slicks+dry road = no ESP at all
....I think you are right :smiley:
My suspension mods have definitely helped, my remapped torque curve is very smooth and well positioned on the plot to deliver driveability, I maintain recommended tyre pressures, I use the throttle progressively.
I think that, although we all get caught out occasionally by the road surface, if you are spinning your wheels it's a sign that you aren't driving properly.
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I don't get any wheelspin now, wet ar dry :laugh:
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I don't get any wheelspin now, wet ar dry :laugh:
Gotta love Quattro eh Gaz? :wink:
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I don't get any wheelspin now, wet ar dry :laugh:
....Apart from the quattro feature, which car do you prefer between your Ed30 and the S3?
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I don't get any wheelspin now, wet ar dry :laugh:
....Apart from the quattro feature, which car do you prefer between your Ed30 and the S3?
How long are the clutches lasting on the S3's?
I managed to mince my clutch in 11k miles from new on my remapped TDI quattro :lipsrsealed: :embarassed:
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I don't get any wheelspin now, wet ar dry :laugh:
....Apart from the quattro feature, which car do you prefer between your Ed30 and the S3?
I'm pretty sure I prefer the S3, although the golf is pretty well screwed together, the build quality of the Audi is far better it feels more solid, the brakes are leagues ahead also. The ED30 was a really quick car, the S3 not as quick, yet :evil:, and with the 4WD I'll be able to get the power down.
The 1 thing I do miss from the ED30 is its really keen turn in and sort fun nature if you know what I mean, the S3 does feel more grown up, which isn't always best :smiley:
It will be interesting to see how the S3 responds to a bit of modding :grin:
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I don't get any wheelspin now, wet ar dry :laugh:
....Apart from the quattro feature, which car do you prefer between your Ed30 and the S3?
How long are the clutches lasting on the S3's?
I managed to mince my clutch in 11k miles from new on my remapped TDI quattro :lipsrsealed: :embarassed:
Longer than the clutch packs in a modded DSG ED30 :laugh: :laugh:
Sorry mate only kiddin, hope you get it sorted soon :smiley:
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I don't get any wheelspin now, wet ar dry :laugh:
....Apart from the quattro feature, which car do you prefer between your Ed30 and the S3?
How long are the clutches lasting on the S3's?
I managed to mince my clutch in 11k miles from new on my remapped TDI quattro :lipsrsealed: :embarassed:
Longer than the clutch packs in a modded DSG ED30 :laugh: :laugh:
Sorry mate only kiddin, hope you get it sorted soon :smiley:
It's holding up well at the moment. Gave it a "bit" of a test today and no slip!
Just want the clutchpack now, so I can dial it back up to full power :evil:
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have you changed the gearbox oil, after following all the threads I think it could help, if the oil has been overheated and maybe contaminated by debris from the clutch pack, it could really help :smiley:
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I don't get any wheelspin now, wet ar dry :laugh:
....Apart from the quattro feature, which car do you prefer between your Ed30 and the S3?
I'm pretty sure I prefer the S3, although the golf is pretty well screwed together, the build quality of the Audi is far better it feels more solid, the brakes are leagues ahead also. The ED30 was a really quick car, the S3 not as quick, yet :evil:, and with the 4WD I'll be able to get the power down.
The 1 thing I do miss from the ED30 is its really keen turn in and sort fun nature if you know what I mean, the S3 does feel more grown up, which isn't always best :smiley:
It will be interesting to see how the S3 responds to a bit of modding :grin:
....Thanks for sharing, gaz.
Someone I know on Biali Motorsport has offered me a drive of his modded S3 when we meet at the end of the month. His new S3 has GIAC Hammer remap, H&R springs and ARB's so far.
Describing Audi's as generally "more grown up" is spot on! But I don't mind growing old, just as long as I don't have to grow up! I'm not knocking Audi's. :cool:
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have you changed the gearbox oil, after following all the threads I think it could help, if the oil has been overheated and maybe contaminated by debris from the clutch pack, it could really help :smiley:
....Good idea but also change the DSG filter if you change the oil.
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Yes, the filter could be partially blocked?
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have you changed the gearbox oil, after following all the threads I think it could help, if the oil has been overheated and maybe contaminated by debris from the clutch pack, it could really help :smiley:
Booked in Friday. :smiley:
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nice 1 :smiley:
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TC on the golf is far too instrusive imho , and would be nice to have adjustable limits
(surely it cant be too long before a software manufacturer does this?).
Like the E46 M3 CSL / CS with track mode , we could have a Golf 'R' button :evil:
I have a remap from JD Engineering here in the Netherlands. They adjust the TC so it progressively cuts back the throttle to achieve traction again instead of fully cutting the throttle. Although I have a 'lowly' non ED30 GTI I can put the power down fully and the car will keep accelerating even with a blinking TC light. It only gets caught out in wet and slippery conditions, the TC just can't cope then.
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wow thanks Bolle thats news to me.
from the website looks to be 2 systems
1 : The one you have which adjusts the VW traction control limits
2 : Power controller : digital guage and knob , looks a lot like racelogic tc unit or similar
Option 1 as part of a chip tune is VERY attractive.
Can you supply any more info?
thnks
John
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....Yes, sounds very interesting!
http://www.jdengineering.nl/ (http://www.jdengineering.nl/)
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The power controller is something different altogether, as you described it a piece of hardware which allows you to set different engine maps/settings on the fly, ie race/wet/dry. Although I believe you have just setting 1,2, etc, no direct translation of these settings into race/wet/dry.
The adjusted TC is standard in the remap, even in the stage 1 remap which brings the 2.0 TFSI to the 'normal' remap values of approx 250 bhp.
JD is one of the most respected VAG tuners here in the Netherlands, probably rated above Revo/Abt/Oettinger/OCT which are the other top remap providers in the VAG scene. JD (Jeroen) himself is running a GTI (no Ed30) with DSG which was last reported to be running approx 426 bhp. Also various Seat/VW dealers offer his remap as a dealer option, keeping the warranty (although by the dealer and not VW NL).
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....^Sounds impressive!^