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Model specific boards => Golf mk2 => Topic started by: WYATT on 10 August 2008, 21:19
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Hi i am really looking for some new brakes and i was wondering are the gti 8v front calipers good , or shall i wait out for the 16v one's then later buy new discs , pads and hose's ready to fit ,
I have a 1.8 1992 driver , is there much work to fit the new calipers like carriers and different size's i have 15 inch wheels and im looking for some big discs to try and take all the room up ,
could these fit with abit of work , " VW PASSAT B5 1998 2.8 V6 SYNCRO PASSAT SALOON " or the mk4 golf calipers ,
Cheers Joe
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Swap out the hub, caliper, carrier, discs and pads complete for the 256mm items from a 16V, Passat 2.0 or a Corrado.
Even better go to 280mm items from the higher-power versions.
Keep OE spec for pads and discs.
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You might as well go for the 280mm conversion straight off as once you get used to the 256mm you'll want the 280mm.
Save yourself time and money :wink:
But before you go for the 280mm make sure they will DEFO fit behind your alloys.
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early 8v had 239mm brakes same as drivers, but only difference were ventilated discs.
Calipes were all the same on the 239mm. If you are gonna get gti brakes get the 256 from a 16v.
Ive got gti vented discs and gti pads on my driver and its enough to stop it. You really dont need 256mm or more unless you have serious engine work done!
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Health and saftey innit :grin:
I'd fit 280mm if I could because there are alot of cars out there that can stop much quicker than we can with our piddly brakes and slamming into the back of someone because my brakes are crap is not worth it, might as well get the 280mm setup if you're changing them anyway.
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the standard 8v GTI brakes arent very responsive! :shocked:
dont forget early 16v's had 239mm discs aswell!
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Health and saftey innit :grin:
I'd fit 280mm if I could because there are alot of cars out there that can stop much quicker than we can with our piddly brakes and slamming into the back of someone because my brakes are crap is not worth it, might as well get the 280mm setup if you're changing them anyway.
some fast road pads are good addition!
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aye on a 1.8 all you need is gti discs n pads to upgrade to gti spec (pads are thinner) much easier than a full brake swap and if you bleed it all properly it will be more than good enough for your carby.
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i rang a local scrap yard up and they have the mk2 vr6 front calipers and said £100 without VAT , nothing else with them , is that abit exspensive ?
If i did want the VR6 calipers could you tell me what i need like , new hubs , carriers for both the VR6 and the GTI 16v
i will buy some after market discs and pads , vented and drilled ,
Cheers Joe
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for 1 thing there is no such thing as a MK2 VR6, unless its a conversion. If its a MK3 then the hubs will be 5 stud, so no good to you! Although the calipers n carriers will be ok provided they're 280s and not 288s.
You need:
Hubs
Calipers
Carriers
22mm master cylinder
For the hubs any 4 stud VW/SEAT with 256+ brakes will do you, Passat/MK3/Corrado/Ibiza etc etc then its just a case of either fitting 256 calipers/carriers or 280s + the master cylinder.
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so if i can find some 16v GTI calipers all i need hubs i can fit the 256mm discs
And for the 280 can i still use the GTI calipers but need the master cylinder and the carriers ,
Sorry if you are repeating yourself i dont really know alot about VW's yet ,
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256+ 4 stud hubs will work with 256 and 280 calipers/carriers, they're the same. Passats are a gold mine for 256 setups, breakers usually dont know that they're the same as MK2 16v and so charge less :)
the 256 calipers will fit 280 carriers, but to fit over 280 discs you need part worn 256 pads or to grind down the slider pins slightly, as the 280 discs are thicker than 256.
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Passats are a gold mine for 256 setups, breakers usually dont know that they're the same as MK2 16v and so charge less :)
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Is there any cars with 280mm were this also applies?
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Not really, 4 stud 280 cars arnt so common, you'll find them in higher spec SEAT Ibizas and Corrados, as well as Golf G60s. Problably high spec passats too. If you really want 280s the cheapest way is prob to get some 256 hubs off a passat, then from same scrappy nick the calipers n carriers off a MK3 GTI. Either that or watch ebay like a hawk ;)
main issue with getting em from a scrappy is you need the car on the ground to crack off the hub nut, then you need the car in the air to get the wheel off :grin:
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I've been very lucky and managed to get a complete 16v 256mm set up inc hubs for £51 off ebay. The seller had some relisting probs and must have put people off. I need new discs and pads so not sure if it's worth getting hold of 280 mm caliper/carriers. Is there much of a difference? Would also be useful to know about the TT master cylinder as will also be replacing that. Will the servo need up grading?
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the passat you mention the v6 4motion has 312 brakes on it also 5stud so no good
best for a driver is a goodbake service new brake fluid as chances are its not been changed for a while and vented Gti disks unless you are planning on increasing the engine size
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i rang a local scrap yard up and they have the mk2 vr6 front calipers and said £100 without VAT , nothing else with them , is that abit exspensive ?
Was that Silverlakes by any chance?
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yeah it was silverlakes , i found a pair of 256mm gti 16v on ebay a man is breaking one and said £60 for the calipers and carriers ,
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You can pick up 16v calipers and carriers alot cheaper than that on ebay. If your not in a rush I may have some you can have for £10 + p&p
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yeah it was
Don't even bother with them, i always find without exception that they tell you one price and then when you go get the part(s) they'll suddenly increase the price when you go to pay. I normally argue it back down apart from the last time when i just dumped all the parts on his desk and phone and walked out, not going to give the dicks any more of my money
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main issue with getting em from a scrappy is you need the car on the ground to crack off the hub nut, then you need the car in the air to get the wheel off :grin:
might be worth trying the screwdriver through the caliper into the disc bodge
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hub nuts are done up to roughly 1 meeelion torques, so make sure its a bloody big screwdriver! also this could bugger the threads in the hubs.
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what threads in the hub? where the caliper carrier bolts on? i can see the screwdriver/disc getting a bit f**ked though, thats why you borrow one from the breakers :grin:
a breaker bar combined with scaffold pole makes short work of the hub nuts :wink:
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no where the wheel bolts to the hub, remember there are threads in the brake disc holes ;)
yeah I'm not saying you can't get them undone with enough leverage, but just imagine all that force being transfered to a screwdriver, if that was to suddenly snap you could injure yourself, plus its also gonna be applied to the threads in the hubs I cant imagine all that force will do em any good.
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oh, i was thinking with the wheel off
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yeah with the wheel off, you know the big holes in the brake disc you wanna shove a screwdriver thru, thats where the wheel bolts thread into :grin:
edit: if you could get a mate to stand on the brakes that would be a better way to do it, but even then you may struggle.
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nah im saying screwdriver through the caliper in between the pads and into the vents in the disc
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You can pick up 16v calipers and carriers alot cheaper than that on ebay. If your not in a rush I may have some you can have for £10 + p&p
What year are they from and also are they the ones most people say to upgrade to i have only been told by a few get the 16v one's ,
sorry im new to dubs and dont no too much
Cheers Joe
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Hmm yeah that would work!
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i have done it like that before at a breakers with the car hanging from a crane getting some passat driveshafts off :laugh:
the screwdriver will have the stress along the length of it if its inside the disc brakes vents, not in one point like through the wheel nut hole so should be ok aslong as it isnt a cheap sh!tty one