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Model specific boards => Golf mk5 => Topic started by: lincolnmk5 on 10 August 2008, 17:23
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Is it ok to use vw 505 . Does the oil get more advanced as the numbers increase ie from 504 to 505 ?
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Use 505 in what?
A London taxi? A Golf V TDI, a Golf GTI? :wink:
Make your self a little more clear, and we can give you a more helpful answer. :smiley:
But to answer the "505" question - then the 505 is a diesel oil spec for time and distance fixed service intervals. If it is 505.00, then you must not use it in a PD diesel, and if it is 505.01, then that is OK for PD and non-PD diesels.
Oh, welcome to the forum! :smiley:
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Hey TT,
My 2006 GTI is due it's 2nd service next month. My local dealer will let me supply my own oil - I am on time/distance but would like to use a premium fully synthetic oil as they put semi-synthetic in last time. What would you recommend ?
My current mileage is 10500.
Cass
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I'm not TT but you can use the longlife Castrol Edge 5W-30 oil.
btw you should get out more often in your car as demonstrated by your milage. :smiley:
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I'm not TT but you can use the longlife Castrol Edge 5W-30 oil.
btw you should get out more often in your car as demonstrated by your milage. :smiley:
Agreed :smiley:
Cass
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Hey TT,
My 2006 GTI is due it's 2nd service next month. My local dealer will let me supply my own oil - I am on time/distance but would like to use a premium fully synthetic oil as they put semi-synthetic in last time. What would you recommend ?
Strewth - are you sure it was semi-synthetic! :shocked: What does the previous invoice, or the servicing check sheet say? :huh:
I'm afraid that a semi-synthetic should never be used in a turbocharged engine, especially a turbo petrol. The absolute bare minium oil standard for the GTI on T&D services is VW 502.00 - which is a 5w40 fully synthetic (though some of the American originated oils, such as Valvoline, Amsoil and Mobil claim to meet 502.00). Before anybody picks me up, and says - "ahhh, Mr TT, the GTI Tech Spec book also has 501.01". Well, yes, the bood does have it, but that is now an obsolete standard, therefore no longer valid. :tongue:
Personally, though, I don't really like the 502.00 oils, for a number of reasons - it has a "summer" viscosity rating of 40, which is too high for modern engines designed to run on "thinner" oils, and secondly, 502.00 oils were developed long before "FSI" technology was introduced.
The only oils I'd recommend, for both LongLife and Time and Distance for the GTI are the latest spec 504.00 oils, which include the Castrol Edge 5w30 (retail packaging, found at Halfrauds), or Castrol SLX Professional Powerflow LongLife III (trade packaging, identical to Edge 5w30, and now sold through all VAG dealers, or direct from Castrol). Other "quality" 504 oils include Elf Solaris LLX, Fuchs Titan GT1 LongLife III, Fuchs Titan GT1 Pro C-3, Motul Specific 504.00/507.00, Pentosin Pento Super Performance III, Shell Helix Ultra Extra, Total Quartz INEO 504-507.
Finally, there is Quantum lubes, which are the VAG "own brand" range. These are made by Castrol, and when you phone up Quantum TechSupport, they are in the same building as Castrol TechSupport. Their 504 oil is Quantum LongLife III, and is available in 1 litre (VW part no: ZGB 115 QLB 005 00, trade price £5.60, dunno retail), 5 litre (part no: ZGB 115 QLB 005 01, trade £27.50) and 20 litre (ZGB 115 QLB 005 02, trade £99.00 - which works out to £4.95 per litre :wink:) packs.
And if you really want to push the boat out, and use "Volkswagen Original Teile" LongLife III oil, the 5 litre part no is "G 052 195 M4".
And finally, to be really anal, and have a litre bottle of "Volkswagen" branded oil for in the boot (its the same stuff as the Volkswagen Original Teile) - go for "GVW 052 195 M2" - retail £13.99, trade £7.70. BTW, is that retail cheaper than Halfrauds 1 litre bottles, as I know some petrol stations are sometimes £15.99 for a litre of LL3. :shocked:
My current mileage is 10500.
Ohh, how old is it?
If its nearing 24 months or 2 years (from date of registration), then you will also need a two-year brake fluid change.
Other part numbers for the 2-year service:
- 06D 115 562 - for the oil filter kit (element and rubber seal), retail price £8.52
- N 908 132 02 - sump drain bolt (because the sealing washer is integral with the bolt! :rolleyes:), retail £1.08
- 1K0 819 644 B - pollen filter (standard), retail £6.99
- 1K2 819 653 B - pollen filter (enhanced, with activated charcoal - gets rid of smells too, hand for following stinky diesels), retail £9.38
Of the above pollen filters, obviously you can only use one or the other, and depending on where you live and/or drive will depend on which one you use. Both filter dust and pollen particles, but the one with activated charcoal also "neutralises" smells to. If you live or drive into a city, then I'd go for the activate charcoal one, whereas if you are in the scottish highlands, then the standard one will do.
HTH :smiley:
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Cheers TT - comprehensive response as ever.
Can't find the original VW dealer service invoice at the moment but it's around somewhere. I've checked the 1ltr top up bottle that was put in the boot and it's Mobil Super S 10W-40 Semi Synthetic Motor Oil - Very High Performance. The bottle is marked as Approved VW 505 00 and Quality Level VW 500 00 and the label says "An extra high performance motor oil for all types of modern vehicles including high performance and turbo charged engines. Delivers outstanding engine cleanliness and protection against wear at high temperatures and under severe operating conditions" :undecided:
Also found this link:
http://www.opieoils.co.uk/pdfs/Mobil/Mobil%20Super%20S%2010w-40.pdf
BTW, my car was first registered in Sept 2006 (MY2007) and is on T & D servicing regime.
What do you think ?
Cass
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all cars should have the longlife 5w30 oil in them as standard.. whether on t&d or ll..
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all cars should have the longlife 5w30 oil in them as standard.. whether on t&d or ll..
Yeah agree but tell the dealers that.....................cost cutting to reduce service pricing and retain business methinks :rolleyes:
Cass
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Cheers TT - comprehensive response as ever.
No point beating about the bush . . . well depends what type of bu . . . I'd better stop there! :laugh:
Can't find the original VW dealer service invoice at the moment but it's around somewhere. I've checked the 1ltr top up bottle that was put in the boot and it's Mobil Super S 10W-40 Semi Synthetic Motor Oil - Very High Performance. The bottle is marked as Approved VW 505 00 and Quality Level VW 500 00 and the label says "An extra high performance motor oil for all types of modern vehicles including high performance and turbo charged engines. Delivers outstanding engine cleanliness and protection against wear at high temperatures and under severe operating conditions" :undecided:
Also found this link:
http://www.opieoils.co.uk/pdfs/Mobil/Mobil%20Super%20S%2010w-40.pdf
I really pull the my (grey) hair out with the stealers. That oil is NOT approved for the GTI. The other HUGE area of concern is the fact that it is a Mobil oil. Mobil have been proven to blatantly mislead, by illegally quoting their oils meet VW standards, when they categorically do NOT. Prior to the very latest LongLife 3 standards (504.00 - petrol engines, and 507.00 for diesel), Mobil did NOT have a LongLife 2 approved oil, yet they claim to do so on their bottles of Mobil 1, and more worryingly, some franchised VAG stealers used it (because they had, and probably still have, a contract with Mobil) for LongLife services!
And, "Approved 505.00" means that VW have tested and approved it to their extremely old DIESEL standard, pre PD, which mineral oils could reach. The "Quality Level 500.00" is shocking. Firstly, because the word "approved" was not used, then the oil was not tested (or maybe it was tested, but FAILED) the VW testing process. Secondly, this 500.00 is WAY obsolete. It was the original VW petrol engine standard, from the late 1970s (I think), and was for a real basic mineral oil for petrol engines, long before fuel injection and other modern technology was introduced. Furthermore, that standard is NOT catalytic converter friendly, and will ruin your cat in the same way as using 4 star leaded petrol! A 500.00 oil is not approved (any more) for the Mk1 GTI, never mind a Mk5!
Furthermore, Mobil claim to use "synthetic" oils, which are NOT synthetics. Mobil use a specific "Group III" base-stock oil, which is simply a "synthesised hydrocarbon" or SHC, and is basically a refined MINERAL oil. The European Union banned this Group III base-stock as being called "synthetic", however, the namb-pandy, law-suit rife country that is America got their courts to legally claim that Group IIIs can be called sythetics (maybe due to their considerable supplies of low grade crude, compared to the higher grade crudes from the North Sea and some Arabian regions). In the EU, only Group IV (which are Polyalphaolefins or PAOs - which are pretty good synthetics) and Group V (which are Esters, and are proven to be the supreme synthetic lube) are allowed to be called "synthetics". Now, Mobil do also use IV and V base-stocks too, but in what quantities - 10%, 5%, 0.5%. They may use 99% Group III, and "top-up" their blends with a tiny, and insignificant quantity of IV and V, just for more "marketing" purposes.
Regarding Group V Ester oils, then only Castrol (remember the "magnetic molecules" adverts for Magnatec - esters are actually non-metalic polarised molecules, so whilst technically not being "magnetic" in the true sense, they perform with the same properties as magnetism), Fuchs and Motul are brands which use the stuff on a consistent basis. I don't know what Shell use, as I've never been able to get a satisfactory answer! Q8 oils do use some esters in some of their oils, but are not consistent. Basically, any of the European-originated oils should be fine, because they have to play by the EU rules. I'm not anti-american - but their general oil standards are WAAAAAYYYYY behind the European Union, and their products are also inferior too.!
BTW, my car was first registered in Sept 2006 (MY2007) and is on T & D servicing regime.
What do you think ?
Cass
Me thinks you need to get out more! :wink: :grin: 5k miles a year - does it ever get warm? :tongue: :grin:
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all cars should have the longlife 5w30 oil in them as standard.. whether on t&d or ll..
Yeah agree but tell the dealers that.....................cost cutting to reduce service pricing and retain business methinks :rolleyes:
Cass
Agree with you there Cass, and I bet your stealer replaces a lot of cats.
In your instance, I'd find a franchised stealer who has a contract with Castrol, or take in your own oil for them to use.
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BTW, my car was first registered in Sept 2006 (MY2007) and is on T & D servicing regime.
What do you think ?
Cass
Me thinks you need to get out more! :wink: :grin: 5k miles a year - does it ever get warm? :tongue: :grin:
You're right TT - need to get out more. I'll try my best :smug:
Cass
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all cars should have the longlife 5w30 oil in them as standard.. whether on t&d or ll..
Yeah agree but tell the dealers that.....................cost cutting to reduce service pricing and retain business methinks :rolleyes:
Cass
Agree with you there Cass, and I bet your stealer replaces a lot of cats.
In your instance, I'd find a franchised stealer who has a contract with Castrol, or take in your own oil for them to use.
Cheers TT - I'll get my own oil - Castrol Edge 5w30 :wink:
Cass
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all cars should have the longlife 5w30 oil in them as standard.. whether on t&d or ll..
Yeah agree but tell the dealers that.....................cost cutting to reduce service pricing and retain business methinks :rolleyes:
Cass
Agree with you there Cass, and I bet your stealer replaces a lot of cats.
In your instance, I'd find a franchised stealer who has a contract with Castrol, or take in your own oil for them to use.
Cheers TT - I'll get my own oil - Castrol Edge 5w30 :wink:
Cass
OK, pleased to be of help. :smiley:
BTW, if you don't have access to any "trade" types of accounts, have you registered for the forum discount with Opie Oils, one of the forums sponsors (I think!) - because Simon (at Opie) can supply the proper Castrol stuff a fair bit cheaper than Halfrauds and the like. :wink:
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all cars should have the longlife 5w30 oil in them as standard.. whether on t&d or ll..
Yeah agree but tell the dealers that.....................cost cutting to reduce service pricing and retain business methinks :rolleyes:
Cass
well, i know what goes in our cars here at my local vw so... ill speak for these then... and my own... :)
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BTW, if you don't have access to any "trade" types of accounts, have you registered for the forum discount with Opie Oils, one of the forums sponsors (I think!) - because Simon (at Opie) can supply the proper Castrol stuff a fair bit cheaper than Halfrauds and the like. :wink:
Just found this - price any good :undecided:
http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.html?t=1054381
Cass
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BTW, if you don't have access to any "trade" types of accounts, have you registered for the forum discount with Opie Oils, one of the forums sponsors (I think!) - because Simon (at Opie) can supply the proper Castrol stuff a fair bit cheaper than Halfrauds and the like. :wink:
Just found this - price any good :undecided:
http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.html?t=1054381
That really IS cheap. I'm guessing it will be £11 plus the chancelors share, but even so, that is very close to cost price! :shocked:
Don't forget though, the GTI needs 4.6 litres, so if they only sell it in multiples of 3 litre bottles, then you'll need two "lots". Actually, get a boot load, because Halfrauds charge £13.99 just for one litre, and about £46 (ish) for the 4 litre can! And Opie oils will not come close to matching that!
Is there a specific Costco link to that deal?
Now, WTF is my nearest Costco . . . .
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Got a mate who is a member - will be checking outr this weekend :wink:
Cass
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my dec 2006 has only 6800 miles no the clock and am really happy about that !
imo cant go wrong with shell helix ultra in most vag engines (petrol) ??
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my dec 2006 has only 6800 miles no the clock and am really happy about that !
:shocked:
You, too, need to get out more! :tongue:
imo cant go wrong with shell helix ultra in most vag engines (petrol) ??
Firstly, I'd be a little more specific in that statement. For example, my database serch shows eleven different types of "Shell Helix Ultra" - ranging from a 15w50 which only meets the obsolete 501.01 standard, to a pre-FSI old skool 502.00 5w40. It also includes a "generic" or "one size fits all manufacturers" brew, and completely irrelevent Mercedes-Benz only and Vauxhall-only oils, along with the correct (in our specific instance) 504.00 spec oil. Furthermore, it also includes the older 503.00 LongLife 2 spec oil.
So, there like all oils, with your comment, there is a very high chance of "going wrong". The devil is in the detail, as the old saying goes. :wink:
At the end of the day, though, why not stick with the very oil which was developed in sole partnership with Volkswagen - that being Castrol? :smiley:
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Got a mate who is a member - will be checking outr this weekend :wink:
Good man! :smiley:
BTW - I think you ought to be the GolfGTIforum "North-East area rep" - and organise a group buy! :grin:
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Got a mate who is a member - will be checking outr this weekend :wink:
Cass
I got a colleague to get me two packs from Costco... :smiley:
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Guy's perhap's a silly question, coming up to 3000 miles ive been on a long run round the country last couple of day's and the engine has used a bit of oil for the first time. So do i go to VW and get some top up oil, or is it ok to mix oil's and go and get some castrol edge :undecided:
Cheer's
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Got a mate who is a member - will be checking outr this weekend :wink:
Good man! :smiley:
BTW - I think you ought to be the GolfGTIforum "North-East area rep" - and organise a group buy! :grin:
Thought of that TT but haven't got the space or the finance to buy a couple of pallet loads :rolleyes:
My mate went to Costco this morning and I'm now the proud owner of 12 litres of Castrol Edge for the tidy sum of just over £11 per 3 litre pack, including VAT - total £46.
Result :wink:
Cass