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General => General discussion => Topic started by: Guy on 06 August 2008, 23:29
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pop top on M reg
done about 79k i think
1600 engine looks in VGC
full shell respray and rust treatment
only two very small spots of rust and a scratch on the rear panel
12month MOT & tax
fairly original otherwise
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3228/2739113495_bd0a613566.jpg)
it's obviously a loved camper and one that the owner is regrettably parting with as he has imported one from Germany which he picked up today
whaddya think? :undecided:
ps. yes, yes, I know I could have asked on a camper forum but I wanted to ask you lot as I trust your opinions!
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vaughn needed :)
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vaughn needed :)
pm sent - ta :wink:
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Looks tidy from that pic. Price varies depending on what spec the interior is, Westy's fetching more money than any of the others like Devons. It's RHD so again that bumps up the value.
To be honest these buses aren't my forte as I'm mor eof a wedge man but if it's less than £4K I would say it's too cheap and if it's more than £6K it's too expensive.
That really doesn't help does it?
Nick
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These campers are increasing in value like crazy atm!
If it is as good a condition as that photo looks then I would have thought £6k would be a minimum.
But yes that Vaughn man is the resident expert!
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I also would have thought minimum would be £5k-£6k with the max being about £8k though I'm no expert. I do love those old camper vans :smug:
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:undecided: you are going to need to get your head under the bus check out the front beam, tops of the shock mounts go there and its an mot fail and you cant have the dront beam welded :wink:, these vans are worth a lot of money and people do flash them over with a little paint and ask top dollar for them :sad: but in 12 months time you could be looking at all that rust coming through, the only rust treatment that truely works is to cut all of it out :shocked:
it not a particularly desirable model it's not tax except. imo not a good colour for a bus but thats just me... and i would have to ask myself if he/she loves it so much why import another if this one is good?
just be careful if you go and look take somebody that knows lots and lots about them :nerd: because if you buy a lemon its sour.... good ones are out there and oh the fuel prices are starting to have an effect on price.
so do your home work, look at lots of photos they may all look alike, but there are many differences between models and years some look cooler that others.
imho i'd rather see rust and holes than get the filler for free :cool:
taz
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oh and that devon (i think from the photos) can and do leak for a past time, go on to justkampers.co.uk or vwheritage to look around for prices for common things like rubbers, brake pads etc. :wink:
get a good un it'll take ya around the world and safely home again :wink:
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get a good un it'll take ya around the world and safely home again
Given their thirst and current fuel prices, it might take you to Dover before you got shy at the pumps though.
Go find a diesel T25 instead - better value and it will use far less fuel. And crank oil seals.
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get a good un it'll take ya around the world and safely home again
Given their thirst and current fuel prices, it might take you to Dover before you got shy at the pumps though.
Go find a diesel T25 instead - better value and it will use far less fuel. And crank oil seals.
he probably wants to have SOME street cred tho. :cool: and they arn't that much better on fuel and will alway go up in value... T25 nice if your growing old and really arn't into the whole bay/splittie way of life, theres more to them than just fuel they are way cool and ya know it :wink: anyways slam in a LPG conversion like mine and your away. coolness, fuel economy and street cred :cool:
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We'll have no T25 bashing on here! Ok so maybe they're not as "Scene" as a bay or a split but their far better to live with day to day and they're much better value for money.
Me and my wedge have done loads of shows and I don't feel it has any less street cred than a Bay or Split. In fact in many ways it has more as people know you haven't been bent over and shafted just to look cool.
I'm not saying I wouldn't have an early van, I'd love one, but I'm not made of money and I wanted a VW bus I could afford and enjoy. The T25 (Or T3 to give it's proper name!) has done that for me in spades.
Nick
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T25 nice if your growing old and really arn't into the whole bay/splittie way of life,
Does this look like the ride of a piss riddled pensioner?
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y115/Horney_mini/Millie/IMG_2536.jpg)
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y115/Horney_mini/Millie/IMG_2535.jpg)
Nick
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T25 nice if your growing old and really arn't into the whole bay/splittie way of life,
Does this look like the ride of a piss riddled pensioner?
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y115/Horney_mini/Millie/IMG_2536.jpg)
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y115/Horney_mini/Millie/IMG_2535.jpg)
Nick
thats nice for ya, pleased you love your t3 I've also had t4's super nice, but i have never been shafted cos i do my homework and have a lovley bay i've also had 2 spits imho bays make more sense. i also notice you have a good looking passat had one of those nice plenty of power but wouldn't swap my golf GTI for it its all a matter of taste. nice stickers btw :wink:
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When was the respray and rust treatment done? Seems surprising it's got any rust if that was done properly, unless it's just rusted where the paint's been subsequently damaged I guess.
Looks way cool though :cool:
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I wasn't saying you've been shafted but so many people splash out loads of cash on early vans thinking their cool only to end up with a tub of polyfiller on wheels and £1,000's of pounds out of pocket.
I think I got a bit worked up but I think the poor old T3 gets a bad wrap from a lot of the scene. It's not old enough to be loved by the aircoolers and being a van it doesn't really fit in with the H20 scene either. It's kind of in no mans land really. THat said I've doen a couple of wedge only shows which were awesome.
No matter what van you get, if it's got a VW badge on it it's cool be it a Split, a Bay, A Wedge a T4 or a T5. Vans rock!
Nick
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When was the respray and rust treatment done? Seems surprising it's got any rust if that was done properly, unless it's just rusted where the paint's been subsequently damaged I guess.
Looks way cool though :cool:
my thoughts too kittie, like i said the only way to deal with rust is to cut it out completely therefore if is coming through it either a) wasnt done properly b) has since been damaged.
I know what you mean about older but not old enough vans, its ike that with everything in life I'm sure some mk whatever golf owners feel that way and there is always a said better model... but you gotta go with what suits you.. if you got a family then space is needed and nothing that'll cos a fortune... if you have dont have these then you can indulge yourself.. its up to you.... :smiley:
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I know what you mean about older but not old enough vans, its ike that with everything in life I'm sure some mk whatever golf owners feel that way and there is always a said better model... but you gotta go with what suits you.. if you got a family then space is needed and nothing that'll cos a fortune... if you have dont have these then you can indulge yourself.. its up to you.... :smiley:
Spot on, I don't have a family (Well I have a wife but no kids) but we're financially not that well off at all and the van is a luxury. For a total spend of less than £2K we have a van that'll take us where we want to go and allow us to stay wherever we end up in comfort and warmth. If I had the money to buy an older bus when I bought the van I would have done but I didn't and I'm happy with what I've got. If I have the money for an older one later in life I think I may still stick with T3's but get a West Atlantic with all the trimings and a Scoobie flat 6 out back. I kinda like the underdogs, ha ha!
Nick
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vaughny in da house :wink:
looks a nice van guy,
couple of quick questions to ask before viewing
what welding has been done on the van
when was the respray done
what work has been done on the engine, is it original or re-con
has he got receipts for the work that has been done to the van, i.e respray, welding etc
if all is good and it`s a genuine van and genuinely had loads spent on it
£6k all day long
one thing i will say is check what size the bed is as most people prefer one that goes the full width of the van, some only go across 3/4 of the width due to cupboards and if there is two of you it can get pretty cramped :wink:
any thing else you need to know ask away
one of my old bays
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y68/gti89/DSCN0137.jpg)
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id say its worth about 5 but the way things are they probably expect 8. the way things are at the minute i'd hold fire. i recon the prices will plumett in the next few years, similar to what happened with classic car values in the last recession. maybe
i'd but a t4 transporter and fit it out. they look cool, dead easy to lower (springs up front, torsion bars rear i believe), audi alloys fit them so you can be looking sweet with modern fuel economy and reliability for not a lot of money!
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I'm seriously loving this today :lipsrsealed:
http://pistonheads.co.uk/sales/647380.htm
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Go on topher1 You kow you want it! :grin:
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vaughny in da house :wink:
looks a nice van guy,
couple of quick questions to ask before viewing
what welding has been done on the van
when was the respray done
what work has been done on the engine, is it original or re-con
has he got receipts for the work that has been done to the van, i.e respray, welding etc
if all is good and it`s a genuine van and genuinely had loads spent on it
£6k all day long
one thing i will say is check what size the bed is as most people prefer one that goes the full width of the van, some only go across 3/4 of the width due to cupboards and if there is two of you it can get pretty cramped :wink:
any thing else you need to know ask away
one of my old bays
(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y68/gti89/DSCN0137.jpg)
dudes!
thanks for all the replies
this is the first time I have looked at a van and I don't know much about them but you are all a massive help :afro:
don't know about the welding
the engine looked original but very well maintained (wish I'd taken a photo of it now)
from memory it was a shell rust treatment but I don't know when... the rust spots are from obvious damage... only small and on the corner of a door where it has obv got banged - it certainly didn't look, from a brief inspection, as though it was a shoddy job and full of filler.
he does have receipts but I was looking at it on the side of a road and speaking to him on the phone so it wasn't that easy
as it was only a 2 berth the owner imported a 4 berth so that he could have more room - the seller, on the phone, seemed like a really genuine chap and was happy to talk about anything to do with it
here's the thing... he's asking £7.7k for it which to me, even for this, was a bit high
I think I am deciding not to pursue this one too much further unless everyone thinks I am being a fool
my reasoning behind this is
it ain't tax exempt (ideally I would want pre-72 as this will be a luxury)
fuel economy on this one will be about 22mpg (or thereabouts I am guessing?)
I don't mind buying a cheap(er) knackered one that I can restore in the way I want it (sympathetically) and in the colour I want... and then I will know that I haven't spent £7k on polyfilla!
ps. that's a lovely looking van you have there vaughn
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Yes Guy walk away from that one!
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Toph that van is almost perfect, auto box is a real let down although it'd be prety easy to drop a 5speed manual in there.
Guy, yeah that seems a little steep to be honest.
Nick
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good reasoning there guy, yeah it`s over priced at that much, but good rhd early bays seem to be fetching really strong money at the moment. even sheds are fetching £4-5k
if your still looking in a couple of months give me a shout as i have a 69 devon bay i shall be selling just giving it a resto at the moment
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good reasoning there guy, yeah it`s over priced at that much, but good rhd early bays seem to be fetching really strong money at the moment. even sheds are fetching £4-5k
if your still looking in a couple of months give me a shout as i have a 69 devon bay i shall be selling just giving it a resto at the moment
You're never going to be excepted into Team Grumpy with this kind of helpful attitude mate.
Nick
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I don't know anything about p1ss stains on the seats, but I used to have problems with front seat passengers in T25s crapping themselves:
(http://diamondhell.com/images/rsgallery/original/IMGP0062.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v627/diamondhell/John024LR.jpg)
and just in case you're still not convinced, video here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNY1DjBtv90)
Shame VW are obsoleting so many of the parts, as to make keeping a Syncro T25 and using it utter madness. Thankfully the Government closed a large proportion of the green lanes in the UK at the same time, making a tough decision a lot easier for me.
Screw the scene - if you're buying a camper buy it to get away - the T25 fills that need, not to show how cool you are (apparently what bays and splitties are for) - that's for scene victims.
Before doing anything - go drive a bay and a T25 - that should make your mind up. If you're still struggling, think about how much extra crash protection a T25 has (a lot). Let's pre-empt this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ukq-UUQAcZs) being waved about by trying to remember it was at quite high speed, with a tonne of cargo in the back. Real life is more like this (http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=175672) or this (http://www.vanagon.com/info/safety/volvo-crash/index.html).
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I love watching syncro's in action, you sold yours now then mate?
Nick
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Long gone - sold to Roger The twit on BY - I should have held on to it (especially in light of the purchaser), but I had The Fear on me about parts availability and didn't fancy being had over a barrel by Devon's most prominent vendor of dog hair, rust and 'quality' T25 Syncro parts.
Got this Syncro (and the Golf Syncro and the Passat 4Mo) instead:
(http://www.diamondhell.com/WS1.jpg)
Which is very different and more 'in tune with the times'.
Still miss the Subara-Caravelle though. :cry:
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You sure do have a thing for 4WD, ha ha.
I'm lucky that my neighbour has a battered C reg twin slider panel as his work van. He's had it 11 years and knows his stuff with it so he helps me when I get stuck with mine. His is his work van but all the tools get tipped out and a RnR bed goes in for shows. He's quite a jack the lad and show whore for a 60 year old odd job man!
Nick
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good reasoning there guy, yeah it`s over priced at that much, but good rhd early bays seem to be fetching really strong money at the moment. even sheds are fetching £4-5k
if your still looking in a couple of months give me a shout as i have a 69 devon bay i shall be selling just giving it a resto at the moment
ooh - drop me a line when you are ready! :smiley:
thanks for your help chaps!
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this vid is ace diamondhell - respect!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vag98ta482Y&feature=user
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Wasnt a fan of aircooled. Now I fancy a beetle and a camper :smiley:
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Wasnt a fan of aircooled. Now I fancy a beetle and a camper :smiley:
Fo damn sho yo :cool: My wife just said to my mom we're going to have 3 or 4 more kids sooooo... I pulled up a pic of a bay and said sweet we'll have to get one of these, she soon changed her mind :sad: