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General => General discussion => Topic started by: dubin on 04 August 2008, 08:12
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We'll i'd just like to know if TSR have sorted there act out. I know it changed ownership, then i heard it was closed down, no one really know what was going on and now i see they are still up & running.
I read a post on the net Tue Feb 07, 2006
This is a warning to anyone who is considering using them !
I had a fully built 9A of them , fitted it , run everything in properly and 1500 miles down the line i had the worst knocking you have heard ,
Basically i removed the sump and found that the shell on No3 had fallen to bits , my oil looked like glitter and there were even large pieces of the shell in the bottom of my sump.
Between myself and two friends they have f**ked up 4 engines , for the following cases of bad workmanship:
with several people say they've had crap or sh*t work by them.
Then i read this on here August 30, 2007
Used TSR Performance (Bridgewater)for the first time last week very very happy These guys know there stuff!! Got a custom code re-map and a milltek cat back done by them! Highly recommended
http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=65520.0 (http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=65520.0)
So are they any good or should i stay well clear :undecided: :undecided:
Jez.
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Were sold by founder, went pop, was resurrected.
Old VW tuning shop trade names don't die, they just get recycled - it's a brand with some value to it.
Unless I'm mistaken, the one of the guys who was part of TSR originally now trades here (http://www.grantmotorsport.com/#).
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Thanks for the link saved to favorites.
it's a brand with some value to it.
and what values would these be ?
My intentions are "if TSR are still recommended" to go down the Bore & build route, as they are the only company i'v seen that offer what i'm looking for, but since hereing good & bad things i can't make up my mind wearth i shoud spend my ££££ with them to acheve what i want or just keep my money and sepend it on a Jap motor and get some fun out of it the easy way.
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Not sure what they are like now but did speak to them about a susp. kit for my mk3 and they did not seem that interested.
Just for info, Tim sold out to a guy called Neil Corner, then it went bust and the local s/h car dealer near him purchased the remains and put his son in charge, grant motorsport I don't think ever had anything to do with them.
Not sure if I would use them these days my local main VW dealer is cheaper labour rate for servicing and repairs and I let them look after mine or do it myself.
Reference that engine letting go, did they run it in correctly as they need about 1k to bed in and settle down, it might be they are use cheaper bearings now, back in my day it was all karl schmidt bearings / pistons etc.
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Not sure if I would use them these days my local main VW dealer is cheaper labour rate for servicing and repairs and I let them look after mine or do it myself.
Reference that engine letting go, did they run it in correctly as they need about 1k to bed in and settle down, it might be they are use cheaper bearings now, back in my day it was all karl schmidt bearings / pistons etc.
Hope this helps.
TBH i don't really know if he ran the engine in properly, but from what i read he says he did.
As for the bearings, ive just had a quick look on the TSR web sight and is say they use KS bearings/pistons, so maybe the guy was a bit to trigger happy and couldn't what to give his engine what for :evil:.
Is there an alternative tuner to TSR who can provide me with the same tuning goodys
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i had a quote for them about 2 months ago to build me a snetterton 2.0L 16v short engine for £2750.
kind of relieved i went down the ABF conversion route now after reading this post!
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i had a quote for them about 2 months ago to build me a snetterton 2.0L 16v short engine for £2750.
kind of relieved i went down the ABF conversion route now after reading this post!
were the heeeeeeelll have you been?
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kind of relieved i went down the ABF conversion route now after reading this post!
Who, what or were is ABF ???
what have you had done by them apart from boring cylinders to a 2.0L
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ABF is the engine code of the 2.0 16v lump found in the mk3 Golf, Seat Toledo and Ibiza and probably a couple more cars, passat maybe?
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Arr, ok thanks man.
so what differences in performance is there between the 1.8 and the 2.0L 16v.
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^ it's 150bhp in standard form, with more torque etc.
And hello jord! sadly been working too much recently to check the forum. lots happening to the mk2 at the mo as well, so waiting to put some pics up when it's more complete :smiley:
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^ it's 150bhp in standard form, with more torque etc.
Hmmmm :smug:, I think i might be tempted to go down the same route (ABF).
Q1, Are all the mk3 golfs 2.0L 16v, a 150 BHP or do i have to look for the engine code "ABF" ??
Q2, Is it a straightforward swap, Engine & box ?
sorry for the questions, but am not as clued up as i use to be :embarassed:
Jez.
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Q1 yes, all 2.0 16v mk3 engines are the same, they also came in seats. i got one from a cordoba because i thought there would have been less chance of it having a hard life like in a mk3 gti.
Q2 depends what your base car is, i had a quick scan of the thread but didnt see you mention?
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Q2 depends what your base car is, i had a quick scan of the thread but didnt see you mention?
I dont have a base car just yet, i havn't found the right Golf. I looking for a mk2 from 1989-1991 mabe even a 1987.
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have a look at the abf thread on club gti by toyotec, theres a few options!
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nice one bro.
I'l have a good read through it on saturday when i got time.
What year is G reg any one ?
Thanks.
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Its 89/90 I had a lovely Jade green 8v on a G all 90 spec'd
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if it's any help i was told it's an easier conversion into a late 8 valve mk2.
As mk2 16v's don't have the same sort of management, with kjet being mechanical rather tham the digifant system - so wiring looms are very different.
I'm no expert so just relaying info that was passed onto me!
I used my k jet fueling with the ABF engine :smiley:
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I think i'l go with the k-jet system, looks like an easy conversion to start with, then do a "ABF on Megasquirt" but i will need to look into it a bit more there's still some things i don't understand :huh: :nerd: thanks for the advice.
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Is the ABF conversion also know as the 2.0L short block engine or is this a different conversion to the engine its self, ie altering the internal parts??
I'v also been thinking of what cars that are out there that would be a competitor to the Golf once i get round to the ABF conversion and the only one i feel that might be a challenge to keep up with is the Honda civics'. And from what i'v learnt so far, the ABF engine products 150BHP and from what i know the civics produce 160/170 and 180 bhp for a jap import and for a Type R 192 bhp.
I don't think it would be hard to find an extra 10bhp with the right mods or even 50bhp with nitros, but as far as the ABF conversion goes how does it stand up to some of the hot hatches i'm likely to come across??
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abf is the engine code for the tall block 2.0l 16v, 9a and 6a are the engine codes for the short block 2.0l 16v. you should be looking at up to 170bhp for a standard well set up conversion into a mk2
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abf is the engine code for the tall block 2.0l 16v, 9a and 6a are the engine codes for the short block 2.0l 16v. you should be looking at up to 170bhp for a standard well set up conversion into a mk2
Thanks :wink:
Am going to try and arrange a viewing for Wednesday to look at a MK2 golf with the 2.0L engine out the MK3, not really what i had in mind as i wanted to go down the DIY route but i guess if the work already been done it will cut down what i had in mind by half.
I know the usual stuff to look out for
Rust around the doors, arches, in the boot were the spare wheel is, mayo in the rocker, signs oil in the radiator ask is there any history for the car or any for the engine that come out the donor car etc...
All i know about the Golf is it has the 2.0L engine, hes been keeping it in a RENTED garage for some time (don't know how long, the brakes need working on and he's asking for £650 for the Golf. Also all the electrics have been sorted turn out, don't know why they needed sorting but it is an old car and the owner is an Auto electrician, but I'll ask when i go to view.
I found out about the Golf from a close friend of mine who said " he knows some one who has a golf that hes had for some time" so he rang him to find out what he was doing with it. And it turned out he's just going to sell as he hasn't got the the time to finish it of and he's just going to cut his loses.
Any one got any advice, is there any thing else i should look out for, were on the engine is the engine code located and dose the engine code sate (ABFxxxxxx) ??
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^ you don't mention if its the 8 or 16v mk3 engine that has been fitted?
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Just been on the phone to the owner of the Golf & found out some more info about it.
* Turns out the engine is actually out of a corrado 2.0L 16v
* The shell was Red but got sprayed black, may need a respray or a good polish.
* It has leather interior, rear bench is in good condition, front seat ant as good as the rear.
* There is a bit slack in the gear stick, but i know that is a common fault, easily fixed so i hear.
* No know rust, as it got resprayed.
* Big bumper kit
* The electice fault was the alternator wasn't charging, now working
* The ignition baroll was fcuked, so there's one key for the doors and one to start.
* as for the brakes.....
He said ,he took the car out for a test drive "and it is FAST AS FCUK" and when he when to stop it don't stop/slow him down as quick as he'd of liked. so it could be that the golf may need a brake conversion, new pad, servo. So if i go ahead with the buy the is first on the list.
I can now confirm i'm going to look at the golf on Wednesday..
Watch this space...
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^ don't mean to sound sceptical - but £650 seems very cheap? also, not sure if the corrado had the ABF or not? anyone else know what spec the 16v corrado engine was?
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^ don't mean to sound sceptical - but £650 seems very cheap? also, not sure if the corrado had the ABF or not? anyone else know what spec the 16v corrado engine was?
I see what you mean, his reason for sale was that hes bought a house and he can aford to keep paying the rent on the garage :undecided:
If i start to get second thought about weather to buy while am there am just going to walk away, something else is bound to turn up some were, just needs time.
it carnt heart to look.
I'v come across this for the corrado spec, http://carfolio.com/specifications/models/car/?car=34034 (http://carfolio.com/specifications/models/car/?car=34034)
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I did't go to look at the golf, first, he had a dentist appointment, then he couldn't find the keys for the garage or the golf :rolleyes: because every thing is in boxes and his parents are away and they may know were the keys are??? so hes going to look for them and call me once he finds them.
Any way, i think i'm just going to forget about this one. (To much drama for me)
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Where is it - at that price I'll have it with the drama :grin:
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I'm now the proud owner of a 1988 mk2 Golf GTi 1.8 16v :smiley: :smiley:
I'l post some pics latter on today in a new post.
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^ don't mean to sound sceptical - but £650 seems very cheap? also, not sure if the corrado had the ABF or not? anyone else know what spec the 16v corrado engine was?
If the car is two different colours, ie black on the outside and red under the bonnet, then its not worth much more!
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^ don't mean to sound sceptical - but £650 seems very cheap? also, not sure if the corrado had the ABF or not? anyone else know what spec the 16v corrado engine was?
If the car is two different colours, ie black on the outside and red under the bonnet, then its not worth much more!
it is, black shell, red engine bay.
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abf is the engine code for the tall block 2.0l 16v, 9a and 6a are the engine codes for the short block 2.0l 16v. you should be looking at up to 170bhp for a standard well set up conversion into a mk2
So are we talking, Cams, gas flowed head, 4'2'1 manifold + exhaust system to achieve 170bhp for the ABF engine???
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no that should be around 180