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Model specific boards => Golf mk5 => Topic started by: Stiggy on 31 July 2008, 23:53
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Firstly, moderators, feel free to move this to the chat nonsense section (although there will be some mention of a mk5 golf) - just wanted to make sure you guys read this.
I purchased the iphone about the week ago; those of you who have one will know that you can now download a variety of applications onto the iphone, for a range of tasks. I was flicking through the applications yesterday and came across something very interesting.
The application is called “dynolicious.†Supposedly, it calculates a car’s max bhp, Gs, max power and torque, 0-60 times, 70-100, 0-100 etc, and also gives a graph for max torque/bhp - basically the same kind of values that you’d get from a rolling road. So, i thought, another waste of money wannabe application that doesn’t do what it says on the tin - so i downloaded it :nerd:!
Here comes the mk5 stuff! I tried this today in my car to see what’s what. Apparently it uses the accelerometer function on the iphone to do all its calculations. So stopped at the traffic lights to a long road merging on to the motorway. Calibrated the software. Lights went green, started the software and gave the car the full beans. Worked through the gears on the dsg, flicking the paddles to 70mph. Came off the motorway, stopped on the side of the road and read the results as follows (baring in mind this software has no car database, so it has no idea about my car):
0-20 mph --> 2.33s
0-40mph --> 4.6s
0-60mph --> 6.0s
Max power --> 230bhp
1/4 mile run --> 13.68s
Still trying to figure out how to get peak torque figures, but what do you guys think? I was very impressed by the figures as they seem pretty accurate and similar to the kind of figures some of you have produced on 1/4 mile runs and rolling roads. I will try it again over the next few days, but as it stands it seems i’ve just spent £7.49 for a pretty accurate rolling road test :laugh:!
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I have read a thing fews about this app and it sounds pretty good, the only thing I would be a little skeptical about in the power graph function as I don't see it how this could be calculated from the accelerometer and GPS data.
But the timing and the G-force stuff should be pretty spot on.
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apparently it doesn't use GPS data as it works on the ipod touch too, so i would say its fairly inaccurate if any of the other other movement realted stuff are anything to go by
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you have been had mate, if you read the reviews on the App Store people are slagging it off saying you can't calibrate and its totally inaccurate.
The iPhone's accelerometer is not accurate enough to produce such figures, so this software really is just a toy.
:nerd:
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Thanks for the info guys, I known someone who was about to buy it thinking it used the GPS.
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Would hardly be a waste of money at £7.50, those g-tech meters are far more than that and work on the same principle. I would imagine you need to input the cars weight somewhere to get a power figure. But as said above, they're more of an indication than an accurate reading.. so very good for benchmarking your own car against future modifications :afro:
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If you know anyone who has a re-mapped ED30 it would be interesting to compare the figures to see if they stack up in the real world? Sounds a pretty neat toy though, and for £7.50 who can argue :wink: Hours of fun........
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Sounds just like the G-Tech meter that is available. They aren't a million miles away from being accurate, but don't take into account road conditions, slight hill in the road will make figures totally worthless IMO. Or anyone could just find the nearest hill and get a cracking time.. :grin: Not bad for £7.50 though..
Also, you aint going to get a 13.6 1/4 mile with 230bhp/Standard Ed30 mate i'm afraid..
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Also, you aint going to get a 13.6 1/4 mile with 230bhp/Standard Ed30 mate i'm afraid..
Especially when he didn't go above 70mph :grin: On a flat enough road I found my gtech was at the most a couple of tenths out.. haven't used it in my mk5 yet though.
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sounds decent but as troph said 70mph and a 13.6 sec 1/4 :huh: :huh:
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Also, you aint going to get a 13.6 1/4 mile with 230bhp/Standard Ed30 mate i'm afraid..
Especially when he didn't go above 70mph :grin:
LMAO.. Yeah, forgot about that... :grin:
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i will give this a try over the weekend if i get chance.
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Lets have I-pod non rolling road day :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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Lets have I-pod non rolling road day :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
sounds like a plan :laugh:
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Lets have I-pod non rolling road day :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
sounds like a plan :laugh:
We could have it outside the apple store so this would legitimise ( < dont know if this is a real word :undecided: ) the times and stop all the usual arguements about accuracy :evil: :smug: :evil:
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thanks for the feedback folks. To be fair there was a very slight downhill incline which no doubt may have affected the results. Also I did have to input the cars weight and if I knew % loss of bhp to the wheels then it would calculate flywheel bhp. One great feature about it is that you can use your first reading as a benchmark and add mods to the app to see the difference. I still think it's a brilliant toy and loads of fun at a bargain!
oh by the way I checked the max mph and it was slightly over 70mph! :embarassed:
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thanks for the feedback folks. To be fair there was a very slight downhill incline which no doubt may have affected the results. Also I did have to input the cars weight and if I knew % loss of bhp to the wheels then it would calculate flywheel bhp. One great feature about it is that you can use your first reading as a benchmark and add mods to the app to see the difference. I still think it's a brilliant toy and loads of fun at a bargain!
oh by the way I checked the max mph and it was slightly over 70mph! :embarassed:
for that reason alone its got to be worth £ 7.50 im going to get one right now aslong as they for the touch aswel.
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I have a similar application on my N95 8gb called GTx which does much the same, again uses the accelorometer and GPS to make all the calculations and is suprisingly accurate !!
Regards,
Gareth
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exactly its a toy. i can think of better things to spend £7.50 on.
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exactly its a toy. i can think of better things to spend £7.50 on.
Hookers must be cheap round your way!
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I have an iPhone and gfi edition30 and bluefin with full milltek so will get this app as soon as I get a 3g signal and will test it out, report back shortly :nerd:
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exactly its a toy. i can think of better things to spend £7.50 on.
So how much is an action man these days :rolleyes:
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I have an iPhone and gfi edition30 and bluefin with full milltek so will get this app as soon as I get a 3g signal and will test it out, report back shortly :nerd:
Ooooh, I'll be very interested in that :wink:
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Ive down loaded this application this afternoon but it needs to be fixed forward facing mine's in the armrest and therefore facing the passenger seat :huh:
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I have a similar application on my N95 8gb called GTx which does much the same, again uses the accelorometer and GPS to make all the calculations and is suprisingly accurate !!
Regards,
Gareth
Any ideas if there are any cheaper alternatives for the Nokias?
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Ive down loaded this application this afternoon but it needs to be fixed forward facing mine's in the armrest and therefore facing the passenger seat :huh:
I just put the iphone in the centre cup holders (next to the handbrake) and layed it flat, facing forwards. Have you given it a go yet? :smiley:
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Ive down loaded this application this afternoon but it needs to be fixed forward facing mine's in the armrest and therefore facing the passenger seat :huh:
I just put the iphone in the centre cup holders (next to the handbrake) and layed it flat, facing forwards. Have you given it a go yet? :smiley:
ive just been to the car and figured that one out im just about to work out how much me and the car weigh's in pounds and then im good to go
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Ive down loaded this application this afternoon but it needs to be fixed forward facing mine's in the armrest and therefore facing the passenger seat :huh:
I just put the iphone in the centre cup holders (next to the handbrake) and layed it flat, facing forwards. Have you given it a go yet? :smiley:
ive just been to the car and figured that one out im just about to work out how much me and the car weigh's in pounds and then im good to go
...oh, i forgot about my weight!!! If i add my weight though i think i might cause the app to crash though so i'll leave it :embarassed:
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...oh, i forgot about my weight!!! If i add my weight though i think i might cause the app to crash though so i'll leave it embarassed
ive only got the touch so hopefully it will be ok on mine
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Ok stiggy car in pounds=2969 + me at 168 all i need is the bhp at the wheels and ill be off to get some more points on my liscence
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Ok stiggy car in pounds=2969 + me at 168 all i need is the bhp at the wheels and ill be off to get some more points on my liscence
The max bhp at the wheels is what's calculated during the run. All you need is the weight and leave the % loss bhp blank for whp :nerd:
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Ok stiggy car in pounds=2969 + me at 168 all i need is the bhp at the wheels and ill be off to get some more points on my liscence
The max bhp at the wheels is what's calculated during the run. All you need is the weight and leave the % loss bhp blank for whp :nerd:
HMm will have to read the info on the website again i was sure you had to input this or why would it ask for it ?
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Ok i did 4 runs not easy to find a place to try it with all the faffing about but i didnt give me the estimated bhp so stiggy you were probably right about leaving the drivetrain loss out.
0-60 1st run= 8.42 1/4 mile time16.76, speed 92.9 had to let off near the end on a B road with bends
2nd run=8.21 }
3rd run= 8.10 } couln't get 1/4 times on these runs
4th run=7.89 }
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Ok i did 4 runs not easy to find a place to try it with all the faffing about but i didnt give me the estimated bhp so stiggy you were probably right about leaving the drivetrain loss out.
0-60 1st run= 8.42 1/4 mile time16.76, speed 92.9 had to let off near the end on a B road with bends
2nd run=8.21 }
3rd run= 8.10 } couln't get 1/4 times on these runs
4th run=7.89 }
You are supposed to use the FORWARD gears :rolleyes:
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Went out early this morning to try this out and get some peace on the roads :grin:
This was my best result:
0-30 3.48
0-60 5.95
0-80 7.84
0-100 10.01
elapsed time :
60' 3.37 sec @28.1mph
330' 6.93sec 69.1mph
1/8mi 9.57sec @ 95.6mph
1000' 11.76 sec @ 113.3mph
1/4mi 13.58sec @ 124.8mph
max spead 125.7mph
max accel 1.03gs
peak horsepower 379hp ( :laugh:) not sure about that got weight down as 2920 so def too light and 18% for resistance.
average for today
0-60 6.07
0-100 10.20 sec
not to fussed how accurate but is good fun to play with an look at the charts after... :nerd:
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Went out early this morning to try this out and get some peace on the roads :grin:
This was my best result:
0-30 3.48
0-60 5.95
0-80 7.84
0-100 10.01
elapsed time :
60' 3.37 sec @28.1mph
330' 6.93sec 69.1mph
1/8mi 9.57sec @ 95.6mph
1000' 11.76 sec @ 113.3mph
1/4mi 13.58sec @ 124.8mph
max spead 125.7mph
max accel 1.03gs
peak horsepower 379hp ( :laugh:) not sure about that got weight down as 2920 so def too light and 18% for resistance.
average for today
0-60 6.07
0-100 10.20 sec
not to fussed how accurate but is good fun to play with an look at the charts after... :nerd:
1/4mi 13.58sec @ 124.8mph???
Ha ha LMAO at the terminal speed... You'd need about 500bhp+ to pull those sort of speeds mate.
1/4 mile time sounds about right though, as you have same mods as me IIRC (Revo and Milltek?).
Same on the 0-? speeds. Seems about right to 60mph, then goes a bit pair shaped after that. If yours has DSG mate, then you should be looking at around 11+ secs for 0-100mph, if not about 12.0..
Sounds like you had fun though.. :wink:
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I bought the app for my phone as I thought it would be good to play with, though havent had a chance to do any runs as yet down to work commitments.
However thought others may be interested in this YouTube Video (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=0-DFbJQbeSY&fmt=18) that has done a review and found it better and more reliable than a G-Tech on a 1/4 mile run.
Also just to show you what 'PC' country we now live, have a look at this news article about Dynolicious HERE (http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/autoexpressnews/225969/iphone_test_kit_rap.html)
Stu
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I have been having a play with GTx on an N95 which uses GPS as well as the accelerometer . With ESP on (manual gearbox) 7.1s 0-60 is seemly the best I can do or be it with a large dose of mechanical sympathy. Probably with ESP off and a bit of wheel spin it would dip into 6 somethings.