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Model specific boards => Golf mk5 => Topic started by: phope on 29 July 2008, 23:56
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Hey guys
Looking at changing our 4 yr old A4 Avant diesel for something a bit newer and sportier. Dearly miss my Edition 30 :cry:
Can't find any Candy White Edition 30s that match or better the spec I had previously...and an alternative choice is the new Scirocco
Current thinking is this:
* Scirocco 2.0T 200 PS
* Candy White with Truffle leather / Rising Blue with Black leather
* DSG
* DVD navigation with Dynaudio
* Bi-xenons
* Parking sensors
* Cruise control
* Winter pack for bi-xenon/leather
Extra power of the Edition 30 would have been nice, but the supposedly better handling of the Scirocco is also a plus
Should I hang on for a good spec Edition 30, or take the plunge with the Scirocco
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I would go with the Ed30, even if I had the choice again now. Even though i've never driven the new Scirocco. Mainly just because i'm still not 100% on the looks of the thing to be honest. This may change, but for now I would say go back to your routes mate.. :grin:
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depends on whether you need the extra practicality of the Ed30? If you don't then get the Scirocco, but if you like to lug stuff around or like to give your mates a lift around then the Ed30. I got a 5 door GTI because it was the best all round car. The Scirocco looks briiliant and by all reports handles better. What a choice, keep us informed of what you are getting and if you are getting a Scirocco let us know what it's like!
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If it where me then i would get the ED 30 keep it for a couple of years wait and see how the scirocco turns out let everyone else visit the stealers to iron out the teething probs plus there will be more options available then aswel maybe a 2.0 type R :laugh:
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I personally wouldn't touch a brand new model until all the inevitable teething problems and niggles have been resolved.
So ED 30 then.
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Pirelli for me. :smiley:
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The new Scirocco is really growing on me and in Blue looks fantastic.....from any angle except the rear :lipsrsealed:
I'd still be going towards one in the showroom and then vere off and get the Pirelli at the last second :laugh:
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I have to say... The scirocco would be my car. I love the looks. The styling etc...
Reviews say it is just as good as a GTi. I think they going to make a lot of money on that car.
Mike
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I like blue too
(http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm104/tomashandmilly/Scirocco/037__scaled_600_001.jpg)
Or red
(http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm104/tomashandmilly/Scirocco/Firespark4.jpg)
White is going to be to common :laugh:
(http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm104/tomashandmilly/Scirocco/tn4-L.jpg)
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I think they going to make a lot of money on that car.
Regarding money, will Scirocco's hold their value like a GTI does?
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I dont work for VW so I dont know. But:
1. The Gti has 30 years of heritage and design etc behind it.
2. The Scirocco is similar except not as old I dont think.
The Gti holds its value and the Scirocco comes out the same factory using similar parts and design methods... It is a well built vehicle and can apparently more or less rival a GTi from what I have read.
I dont see why it wont hold its value as well. Look at the Jetta, caddy and those ranges. They not GTi's and they keep their value. It might not be a GTi but its still VW and all VW's keep their value well.
Mike
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I dont work for VW so I dont know. But:
1. The Gti has 30 years of heritage and design etc behind it.
2. The Scirocco is similar except not as old I dont think.
The Gti holds its value and the Scirocco comes out the same factory using similar parts and design methods... It is a well built vehicle and can apparently more or less rival a GTi from what I have read.
I dont see why it wont hold its value as well. Look at the Jetta, caddy and those ranges. They not GTi's and they keep their value. It might not be a GTi but its still VW and all VW's keep their value well.
Mike
IIRC the Scirocco is older than the Golf and certainly older than the GTI.
In the UK the Jetta depreciates really quickly and isn't a good buy new (used is a different matter though - bargain)
I think the Scirocco will become a bit of a cult car all over again.
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Yes. I forgot to mention that. The Scirocco is a cult car and much like the GTi there will be a lot of enthusiests buying it. How much older is it?
My apologies. In South Africa our Jetta's hold their value pretty well.
Mike
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The MKI Rocco came out a few months before the MKI Golf I believe so late 70's.
Jetta's value is bad in this country as small saloons are not popular with the masses. The Bora strangely did much better than the jettas and ventos of the past. Not sure why that is.
Nick
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The MKI Rocco came out a few months before the MKI Golf I believe so late 70's.
Jetta's value is bad in this country as small saloons are not popular with the masses. The Bora strangely did much better than the jettas and ventos of the past. Not sure why that is.
Nick
1974 was when the 1st Scirocco was designed :cool: :nerd:
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Guys...
If VW can recreate the GTi and by the looks of it recreate the Scirocco. Why are we so worried about the Mk6?
Was the scirocco not also quite a design shock when it was released after 1974? They seem to have done it again.
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Guys...
If VW can recreate the GTi and by the looks of it recreate the Scirocco. Why are we so worried about the Mk6?
Was the scirocco not also quite a design shock when it was released after 1974? They seem to have done it again.
I would have had more of a shock if they had left the design as it initially was with the IROC concept - that looked foooooking lovely :drool:
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It was a green concept car right?
That thing was amazing. Huge grill, ooh :evil: :drool:
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Guys...
If VW can recreate the GTi and by the looks of it recreate the Scirocco. Why are we so worried about the Mk6?
Was the scirocco not also quite a design shock when it was released after 1974? They seem to have done it again.
Because VW admitted the MK5 cost too much to build and their profit margins were too smal per car and it took them too long to build. The Mk6 is meant to be cheaper to make and also simpler mechanicals so they can build them faster. I'm not sure that is a good thing.
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It was a green concept car right?
That thing was amazing. Huge grill, ooh :evil: :drool:
yup, and the interior was amazing too, better than the outside IMO.
(http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q45/favelacside/6-volkswagen-iroc-scirocco-2008-200.jpg)
(http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w205/kc9gig/iroc/2008sciroccoresize.jpg)
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That steering wheel is wanktastic!
Nick
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Although we have to remember that the MK5 was released 3 years ago. Technology is more advanced now and I dont really see why VW would be unable to create avehicle similar to the MK5 whilst compromising what people like.
Those are the pics... I have lots of Scirocco wallpapers. Thats such a hawt car.
Maybe they changed the grill because Merc opted for a huge one too?
Mike
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hmmm decisions, decisions
Test driving the Audi TT-S and TT TDI on Saturday...will make up my mind after that :grin:
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I think the main problem with VW is that they bang out a great car, sell more then they thought they would and then try and make hay why the sun shines and the replacement is not quite as good......
They always seem to fall back on the marque's good name across Europe and even across the pond too..
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....Two reasons not to buy the Scirocco just yet : -
1 - Never buy a new car until after its first year. Time to sort out any problems.
2 - The 2.0 Turbo version won't be available yet. Not worth it with a smaller power unit imo.
I love that side view in red : -
(http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm104/tomashandmilly/Scirocco/Firespark4.jpg)
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I admit it looks quite good in the red, but those wheels fitted to it are a Phaeton optional wheel (Helios 19")
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....Yes, I wouldn't have those wheels. I like the 'directional' spoked ones I've seen on some pics of the Scirocco. But please don't start me off thinking how I would mod one!!
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....Two reasons not to buy the Scirocco just yet : -
1 - Never buy a new car until after its first year. Time to sort out any problems.
2 - The 2.0 Turbo version won't be available yet. Not worth it with a smaller power unit imo.
Fair point on point 1.... 2.0 TFSI is the sole engine variant available in the UK at launch though :smiley:
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hmmm decisions, decisions
Test driving the Audi TT-S and TT TDI on Saturday...will make up my mind after that :grin:
TT-S is a lovely car. I test drove one over a week ago and if I wasn't considering something else :rolleyes: I would have had one :cool:
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....Two reasons not to buy the Scirocco just yet : -
1 - Never buy a new car until after its first year. Time to sort out any problems.
2 - The 2.0 Turbo version won't be available yet. Not worth it with a smaller power unit imo.
Fair point on point 1.... 2.0 TFSI is the sole engine variant available in the UK at launch though :smiley:
....Cheers, I didn't know that.
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hmmm decisions, decisions
Test driving the Audi TT-S and TT TDI on Saturday...will make up my mind after that :grin:
TT-S is a lovely car. I test drove one over a week ago and if I wasn't considering something else :rolleyes: I would have had one :cool:
Come on then mr Hurdy stop teasing us again what you thinking about buying
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Yes come on john, out with it!!
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(http://www.smileys.me.uk/smileys/Animal/animal0028.gif) (http://www.smileys.me.uk/)
Were waiting
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All in due course :rolleyes:
Keeping the ED30 of course :cool:
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....Will wifey mind you taking her new car up the quarter-mile, Hurdy? :evil:
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....Will wifey mind you taking her new car up the quarter-mile, Hurdy? :evil:
Missis willbe having the ED30 :wink:...ish :grin:
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....I bet you that your next car will be AWD or quattro!!
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I think it might be japanese :rolleyes:
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I think it might be japanese :rolleyes:
Quite possibly :rolleyes:
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....Something you're not telling us, Hurdy?
:grin:
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Did you watch top gear on Sunday?
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Did you watch top gear on Sunday?
I did :drool:
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U pushin the boat out then :smiley:
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U pushin the boat out then :smiley:
http://www.pistonheads.com/SALES/largepic.asp?i=627380&noPics=3&make=NISSAN&model=GT-R|GTR&imgsrv=1¤t=1
I feel I want to, but my tight wallet (and the missis) keep flinching at £60k for an Import. I must say it does float my boat totally though :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool:
It would definitely cheer me up, but then so would a shag...and that's a lot cheaper :laugh:
edit - you'll have to cut and paste the entire link to get the pic :embarassed:
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A nissan Micra!!, top choice there john for the wife, i nearly bought my wife a near new Fiat Panda last week to try slowing her down abit!.
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Although I apprecite the cars ability...... its still jap cack if not crap!
Buy yourself a nice ariel atom if you want a thrill!!! :evil:
p.s. If you get the GTR can I be on the list for a passenger ride thank you pls :grin: :laugh:
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....Two reasons not to buy the Scirocco just yet : -
1 - Never buy a new car until after its first year. Time to sort out any problems.
2 - The 2.0 Turbo version won't be available yet. Not worth it with a smaller power unit imo.
Fair point on point 1.... 2.0 TFSI is the sole engine variant available in the UK at launch though :smiley:
The thing that confuses me is that on all literature/website material VW quote the Scirocco launch engine as a 2.0 TSI - surely this should suggest it is one of the "twin-charger" engines (i.e. the engine in the Golf is the 1.4 TSI, whereas our engines are TFSI). But when looking at the engine data, it shows that this TSI engine is exact to ours...
I think this is where some confusion originates from.
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As I've said before on here, I saw a rocco in the flesh last year at the Tiguan launch in Andalucia and was soooo relieved as I didn't want one :tongue:
It just looked really bland (in white) and didn't set the pulse racing at all................. The wheels were the multi blade propellor type which probably didn't help as wheels make/break a car IMO. As Robin and I have also mentioned there is definatley a whiff of peugeot/Renault around the rear 1/4-flanks, and it also reminded me of a Puma I used to own/love.
I hope the car grows on me as I see more in the flesh as I applaud VW for building it, and Im certainly looking forward to a drive to check out this trick suspension. Will hopefully have a car by the end of September to try so I'll let you all know :wink:
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A nissan Micra!!, top choice there john for the wife, i nearly bought my wife a near new Fiat Panda last week to try slowing her down abit!.
....Ah! An opportunity to do some negotiations with her - The magic word Milltek comes to mind!
When I was married (before the divorce caused by car modding), my ex had a Fiat Panda - Surprisingly quick car due to being so light, once you'd got speed going. Really enjoyed that Panda.
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Just recieved all the bumpf and an invite to the launch at hayseldens of Barnsley.
Going to amble along just for a sniff and maybe a test drive.But like someone said earlier,best to wait a year or so for updated models.
Besides,still got a hard on for my GTI... :laugh: (oops can I say that?)
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Apologies if you've seen it already, but a good first drive video.
http://www.drivers-republic.com/dr_tv/index.cfm?videoid=2d86e7f2d4aa4a92a7175ab8380d8cbe&area=videos
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Good video, and he sang its praises. It's starting to grow on me, but i'd still have the GTI over it.
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....Seems to be a great car but it simply isn't the true allrounder that a 5-door GTI is. I'll still be having a test drive though.
Cool post, Puzzler :cool:
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I was considering asking for my deposit back at VW and hanging on to see if the economy is going to have us all in the gutter by Christmas but seeing the vid has made me want it all the more.Definately going to put BBS 19" on though,not taken with that factory wheel at all!
Good to see Chris Harris,wondered what had happened when he left Autocar.Good site,more good vids on there too.
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well...had a test drive today of the TT TDI and the TT-S :) Please bear in mind that I already have a Mk2 TT 3.2 V6 DSG Quattro, along with the A4 diesel which will be sold...I share the TT with my fiance, ie whoever can get the keys first in the morning :grin:
TT TDI does not float my boat at all...plenty of torque and the car handles well enough with quattro...but the engine just feels wrong, with a lot more vibration and harshness apparent than I'd like . I'm sure plenty of company car user-choosers will pick one, but not for me :)
TT-S DSG Coupe...wow..lovely car, with plenty of shove from the S3 derived TFSI once the turbo spools up..a fair bit more lag than my Edition 30. Very tempted, but at nearly £40k for the spec I'd like, way too much money at £600 p/m on Audi PCP with a 20% deposit. I could lease one through my new employer, but at a lease payment of £685 p/m with no deposit for a TT-S with no options , still more money than I'd prefer to pay out.
I'll stick with the V6 which has no finance owing at all and have that lovely burble, thank you :grin:
So...went over to the VW garage, and had a good chat with the salesman...reckons if I confirm the order in the next week, Scirocco would arrive in mid November/Dec, but perhaps earlier. I've had a word with the finance guy there who wanted to sell me a VW Financial Services PCP at 14.4% APR :rolleyes:, and showed him an alternative provider that the same garage used last year for the Edition 30...can get the finance down to 9.7% saving over £50 a month from his first quote
Looks like the Scirocco has the upper hand...A4 diesel will be going, and I'll be back in a Veedub soon :cool:
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That Drivers Republic site looks very cool! Never seen it before but as a subscriber of Evo for a good few years I'm familiar with a few of the writers.
Back to the original question, I'd go for a Scirocco! It looks like a great car, though I'm sure it could do with a bit more power.