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Model specific boards => Golf mk5 => Topic started by: Phil mcavity on 21 May 2008, 10:15
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I gulped when i read the headline......"all of a sudden the GTi looks like second best"
just about to read the mag to see why, if its as good as it sounds the Mk6 GTi should be a rip snorter as they normally base it on a simular model.
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Bu the rocco is underpinned by the current MKV and not the new MKVI gear. I think it's the all new adaptive suspension stuff that makes the rocco better.
Nick
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http://www.autocar.co.uk/CarReviews/FirstDrives/volkswagen-scirocco/232864/
Sounds like good stuff! :smiley:
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Still keeping my fingers crossed that they bring out a 3.6 4motion version by the time mine is paid off :laugh:
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accoarding to the mag, that dont reckon that combination will be made.
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Unless they bring out one with the same or similar engine to the ED30 that I can remap to 300 bhp+ I don't think I will be getting rid of the ED :smiley:
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Unless they bring out one with the same or similar engine to the ED30 that I can remap to 300 bhp+ I don't think I will be getting rid of the ED :smiley:
Same here :smug:
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Looks very interesting. I am tempted :tongue:
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my GTi is due early to mid July, should i cancel and re-order?
price looks very similar but there will be no discount on the scirocco i imagine.
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it looks a bit like an astra from the back :laugh:
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"Not only does it look a good deal better, it is also a better drive. "
I think the GTI looks better!
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I cant decide if like it or not, Price seems right,
As people say if it had the ED30 engine this would make me want one.
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no mention in the mag having the same engine as the ed 30, although they say the 197hp version is NOT the same as the GTi, its had a slight weight reduction with any increase in block stiffness for improved refinement. Different engine code EA888 as to the GTi's EA113.
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Dont like it at all. If there going to make a coupe then they could at least make it pretty!
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Dont like it at all. If there going to make a coupe then they could at least make it pretty!
Or actually make a coupe and not a hatchback pretending to be one. I'm not a fan either, I prefer a well worked mechanical suspension setup, you can keep your fancy electronic witchcraft VW.
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Sorry Guys... looks ugly as sin.
Would I trade in the ED30... no way!
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I've been watching this closely as I think we will trade in the ED30 for something else next May, and at the moment I'm liking it, but it would be a clincher if they do an ED30 or S3 spec engine, something around 240bhp, and slight tweeks visually. I guess the R32 will not been in production much longer and this would fill the gap, with a more Eco / CO2 friendly TSI 4 pot engine.
A Scirocco R as per the race version........
(http://www.motorauthority.com/images/Volkswagen/Scirocco/Race/01/VW_Scirocco_race_04.jpg)
(http://www.motorauthority.com/images/Volkswagen/Scirocco/Race/01/VW_Scirocco_race_02.jpg)
(http://www.motorauthority.com/images/Volkswagen/Scirocco/Race/01/VW_Scirocco_race_06.jpg)
(http://www.motorauthority.com/images/Volkswagen/Scirocco/Race/01/VW_Scirocco_race_07.jpg)
Its interesting to note that the race car above, that will take part in the 24hour ring race this bank holiday, has very sculpted bumpers that look quite tame, almost car designed? Really like the split on the lower grill, instead of the big wide mouth on the road car, its more like the IROC concept.
Its also got elements of the Clio Sport with the brake ducts in the wings etc too.
Also found this, which is appearing at some show in Germany this weekend, can't make out if its R line styling kit or maybe a Scirocco R preview??
I like the side skirts, as they colour code the black trims on the standard car, but the whole kit does look a bit stuck on IMO. But in the right colour with those nice 19" Chrome jet engine stlye rims on......... :wink:
Also like the rear end black insert, as it makes the exhuast look less stuck on too.
Can't make out what the black roof is though, unless VW have gone crazy with a Carbon Fibre tin top!
Are those wheels Phateon ones too?
(http://www.rocco3.de/files/Rocco_See08_01.JPG)
(http://www.rocco3.de/files/Rocco_See08_02.JPG)
(http://www.rocco3.de/files/Rocco_See08_03.JPG)
Dave
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Dont like it at all. If there going to make a coupe then they could at least make it pretty!
I like it from the front, it's a horrible mess from the rear though.
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Hmmm.
Does anybidy here know if this is coming to South Africa? I cant find anything on it.
I want this car! :cool:
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I assume that with it being based on the Golf, that the 19's I have fitted, should fit on to the Scirocco without any problems. :undecided:
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Didnt it say the tyres were thicker or something? Passat Wheels? Maybe a different offset. Who knows considering we dont even have a final price yet :undecided:
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Im lovin that, looks like it has a glass roof!
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it shares alot with the new passat cc. so doubt whether the wheels will cross fit
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I just want that car!
I have emailed mom and dad with the link to that article and exactly why it is our next car.
My dad is in the market for something a bit fast- He like the GTi but has been banned from driving it. And the Pajero still going through the developing stages.
Do me a favour dad and order one :laugh: I will take the Golf :evil:
Is it true it comes as a 5 door?
If so... The golf is mine :evil: :evil:
Must get A's for my exams, must get GTi.
Mike
*Im not druvk or anything. I just love that car. *
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i can see one thing though, the boot must be pathetically small!!, no good for a family runaround.
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Rear arches look massive - the VAG group love that colour for showing off cars - this now, recently the new Ibiza before that the mk2 leon.
Wheels are from the phateon.
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Think you can get them on the passat too, from memory though they're fecking heavy at about 33lbs per corner before rubber.
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The engine must be the new badges TSI 2.0 - with the timing chain if they have stated its different to the Golf GTI 2.0 engine
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The engine must be the new badges TSI 2.0 - with the timing chain if they have stated its different to the Golf GTI 2.0 engine
I take it from that comment that the current GTI has a timing belt?
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Its starting to grow on me, but am still not completely convinced. I think I need to see one in the flesh first, which hopefully there will be one at Inters.
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:undecided:hrmmm as a scirocco fan i dont think it does the real scirocco any favors bit like the mini can never be replaced old skool is the best
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Something of interest maybe here,
Just picked a copy of the Autocar test review, and it seems they bench tested the Scirocco against an Ed30 and not a regular GTi judging by the photo's of the 2 cars together?
Also spoke to my dealer the other day and they reckon they have been told the 2.0 TSI will be badged GT and the other engines will not. Therefore we could see and R or GTi as per the current mk5 Golf line up.
Dave
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You won't see a GTI Scirocco. VW know that would take sales away from the Golf.
I doubt we will ever see another small R car either. With the current legislation and costs involved in taxing a new car not to mention getting bent over every time you fill up, the economics and customer group simpy don't work. I'd say the Mk5 R is the last one we'll see. From here on in its going to be small displacement forced induction for performance cars. There is even a rumbling the next M3 is going to be 4 pot 2L developed from touring car and F1 tech
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....Subject to seeing the new scirocco in the flesh, I don't like it! Looks like a cross between a Renault and a Peugeot. It can't compete with a Golf as an allrounder because of 3-door, restricted rear seats and tiny boot. I'd rather go for the new Mitsu EVO X.
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Well I didn't like the old one, and after thinking long and hard I've decided I dont like this one either.
It doesn't look right IMO, and there are plenty other VAG designs that do the just the same thing already.
I'm holding out for the Mk6 :wink:
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....Subject to seeing the new scirocco in the flesh, I don't like it! Looks like a cross between a Renault and a Peugeot. It can't compete with a Golf as an allrounder because of 3-door, restricted rear seats and tiny boot. I'd rather go for the new Mitsu EVO X.
Robin, you wont wanna evo 10, the boot in that car has a subwoofer that takes up half the floor space, leaving enough room for 4 shopping bags. i looked at one when i collected phyllis from a evo dealer.
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You won't see a GTI Scirocco. VW know that would take sales away from the Golf.
I doubt we will ever see another small R car either. With the current legislation and costs involved in taxing a new car not to mention getting bent over every time you fill up, the economics and customer group simpy don't work. I'd say the Mk5 R is the last one we'll see. From here on in its going to be small displacement forced induction for performance cars. There is even a rumbling the next M3 is going to be 4 pot 2L developed from touring car and F1 tech
Not following you on this one.
Assuming the Golf mk6 comes out in September to order for late year early 09 deliveries, we won't then see a mk6 GTi until at least Sept 09 or later, leaving a door open in the range. And from what we read, and see from Spy Shots the mk6 will be slightly bigger and roomier than the current mk5, and VW has also stated that the Scirocco will for now be the sportiest car it produces.
I'm sure we will see a mk6 GTi, why stop the heritage and cash cow, but it would have to be super special to take something off the Scirocoo IMO. A lot of people have mentioned that this car dilutes the brand and oversteps each other, but if the Golf Mk6 is a bigger car, then both could compete in the same market easily.
Also as per R models, why then do Lambo and Ferrari sell more models today than they have in the last few years? If you are going to buy any performance related car, you buy it with the running costs, simple as. I race cars and its expensive, but its my love, so it does not stop me, even if it does cripple the wallet from time to time. I think the push to have a 2.0 4 pot blown R model is a good step forward, the CO2 and mpg arn't too bad in relative terms, and of course the engine is lighter so the bhp does not have to be that high.
Time will tell, but I'm a Scirocco convert.
Dave
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Take a look at the official VW promo for it....I love it! http://www.volkswagen.com/vwcms_publish/vwcms/master_public/virtualmaster/en2/centralhosting/carlines/scirocco/tct_1b/en_GB.html
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It looks like a mix between the Volvo and a squashed A3 IMO
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I think it looks great, and Im sure its gonna get the ED30 engine at some point , it would be cruel not to...
not to mention an R version ....
At the price it is , unless you need the practicality of the Golf , its a no brainer.
And with some nice mods its going to be stunning.
John
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Also as per R models, why then do Lambo and Ferrari sell more models today than they have in the last few years?
R Models & Ferrari's etc are leagues apart. A Ferrari owner shelling out £100k+ on a car doesn't worry about tax & running costs because he's minted! :grin:
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At the price it is , unless you need the practicality of the Golf , its a no brainer.
And with some nice mods its going to be stunning.
John
....I agree, but I'm personally not keen on its looks, and I definitely need the practicality of my 5-door GTI, otherwise I would have bought another 2-door fast BMW, or even a 'previously used' Porsche.
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found a video on what car.com, Cannot post the link though, i like the Scirocco will have to see it in the flesh though.