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Model specific boards => Golf mk5 => Topic started by: maxamus on 12 May 2008, 01:45
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Im looking at getting some bigger break calipers put on.
What are my choices?
After some the same size as the Leon Cupra or similar.
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As you wrote, you want the something like the Leon cupra brakes, Audi S3 or the R32 set up
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I would be tempted with a R32 front brake setup - shame there are not many about 2nd hand
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This thread will be like bait for RedRobin. :grin:
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This thread will be like bait for RedRobin. :grin:
(http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b308/RedRobin_05/AP_BB.jpg)
:evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: - Five Star Brakes - :cool:
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How much did that package set you back Robin?
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How much did that package set you back Robin?
....Er, I did some development work with them so was given an unbelievable 'deal' which they asked me not to publicise. I think a set of 4-pot fronts (the GTI isn't heavy enough to need 6-pots unless you have an international racing licence!!) with ss-braided hoses, fluid etc, will cost you about £1,700. Not cheap but fecking worth it in my opinion (easy for me to say!!). Tarox(?) are also excellent but AP's have the longstanding reputation. AP Racing make F1 clutches, NASCAR brakes etc etc, even the Veyron calipers - They know what they are doing.
You will doubtless have already noticed that I only use specialists after much research and only if I'm happy and confident in the individual people. It's like having a dedicated and honest back-up team who care. As a consequence I get enthusiastic about them - But for good reason! I love my GTI and want to keep it so I get it looked after by the best I can find. I was just lucky with my VW dealer.
Aren't I a saddo :nerd:
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These look lovely on a Seat, but they are meant for $x$'s and not hot hatches. Droolworthy look though :drool:
(http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t8/hurdy_album/JBSpics010.jpg)
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How much did that package set you back Robin?
will cost you about £1,700.
Nah i dont need bigger calipers. I'll stick the existing :embarassed:
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R32 kit -
http://www.jkm.org.uk/performance/tfsibrakes.htm
(http://www.jkm.org.uk/performance/Misc/Misc_Performance_pictures/TFSI-images/Overviewpage/brakes/JKMBB2_big.jpg)
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R32 kit -
http://www.jkm.org.uk/performance/tfsibrakes.htm
....And although I have AP Racing big brake kit and swear by them, I add my voice to Stu's and say that Jim/JKM really knows what he's doing and that's a very good deal JKM are offering.
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What are the options for bigger brakes if you have 17" wheels like I do?
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I was lucky enough to get a MK5 R32 front set up for £205 of ebay.I have a question though what does the brake carrier look like? Is it the H type bit of metal in the pic i have enclosed? I have no idea and want to make sure i have it or can i use the existing ed30 one?
(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e170/b44fy/IMG_0220.jpg)
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Keith,
I think you have the caliper carriers in that pic, as you describe, the H pieces. these will bolt to the Hub assembly. as per the pic here they are laid out on the floor, yours are attached to the caliper.
http://www.jkm.org.uk/performance/Misc/Misc_Performance_pictures/TFSI-images/Overviewpage/brakes/JKMBB2_big.jpg (http://www.jkm.org.uk/performance/Misc/Misc_Performance_pictures/TFSI-images/Overviewpage/brakes/JKMBB2_big.jpg)
They position the caliper a distance away from the centre of the whole rotating mass i.e. the brake disc.
They have to be further away to take into account the bigger discs.
Ed 30 discs are 312 mm dia, i.e. a radius of 156mm, the R32 discs are 345mm, i.e. a radius of 172.5mm, as you can now see the carrier needs to position the caliper a further 16.5mm away from the centre, to allow clearance for the disc.
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What are the options for bigger brakes if you have 17" wheels like I do?
....The AP Racing Big Brake Kit definitely fit the Monza 17's. Not cheap (about £1,700 for 4-pot fronts) but well established as second to none (might share the No.1 spot though!). Here's a pic of my AP brakes on my GTI with the 17's in place - I run on 18's but have a spare set of 17's.
(http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b308/RedRobin_05/AP_Brake_17s_1.jpg)
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^ the kits cost alot, you could get the parts separately and get them done cheaper,that said my 6 pot was a set but that only cost £1299 + vat
looks to me if upgrades are intended to fit a VW or Audi you pay about 30% more (not strictly talking about brakes here, other upgrades too)
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^ You get what you pay for. AP fitted mine for free and only charged me cost because of work I did for them, but I wouldn't recommend anyone trying to buy the full kit in bits and doing it themselves unless they have real experience. I don't think you can buy AP's bits separately unless they are replacement parts on an existing set anyway.
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^ You get what you pay for. AP fitted mine for free and only charged me cost because of work I did for them, but I wouldn't recommend anyone trying to buy the full kit in bits and doing it themselves unless they have real experience. I don't think you can buy AP's bits separately unless they are replacement parts on an existing set anyway.
i just know these kits could be alot cheaper :wink:
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Keith,
I think you have the caliper carriers in that pic, as you describe, the H pieces. these will bolt to the Hub assembly. as per the pic here they are laid out on the floor, yours are attached to the caliper.
http://www.jkm.org.uk/performance/Misc/Misc_Performance_pictures/TFSI-images/Overviewpage/brakes/JKMBB2_big.jpg (http://www.jkm.org.uk/performance/Misc/Misc_Performance_pictures/TFSI-images/Overviewpage/brakes/JKMBB2_big.jpg)
They position the caliper a distance away from the centre of the whole rotating mass i.e. the brake disc.
They have to be further away to take into account the bigger discs.
Ed 30 discs are 312 mm dia, i.e. a radius of 156mm, the R32 discs are 345mm, i.e. a radius of 172.5mm, as you can now see the carrier needs to position the caliper a further 16.5mm away from the centre, to allow clearance for the disc.
Thanks for that Stoke, i thought for a bad moment this morning i would have to buy carriers as the seller advised they weren't incl in the sale.But now i am well happy got the 2 front callipers and carriers discs and pads and splash guards for £205, need to paint them red now.Thanks again for the info Stokeballoon
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http://www.maxmotorsports.com.hk/UploadProductPic/200712312524029994.jpg
These are the one's I'm getting (when they finally arrive) :smiley:
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what do the Tarox cost
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Keith, thats a stonking deal you got there, I would without a doubt have a set at that price.
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It is, I was pee'd off last month as i lost a full set front and rears for £350.But as they say 'he who waits' i think lol!
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there was a set buy it now for £150 not long ago too, i looked again and they had gone
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there was a set buy it now for £150 not long ago too, i looked again and they had gone
Thanks Shaun :grin: am happy though.
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there was a set buy it now for £150 not long ago too, i looked again and they had gone
Thanks Shaun :grin: am happy though.
sorry :cry: , i didnt realise what they was worth tbh, yours are still a bargain
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what do the Tarox cost
The 10 pots retail at £1,995 plus fitting.
I haven't paid that :wink:
(http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t8/hurdy_album/TAROX10POTS.jpg)
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Are they 330mm discs Hurdy? I got some quotes on the three different tarox kits. 320mm with 6pots, 320mm with 10pots and 330mm with 10pots. Incidently the 320/10pots cost a little bit more than the 330/10pots. The price i got for the 330/10pots were a smidgen over £1700. I could haggle abit more, but since you say it should cost £1995, then my initial price seems like a bargain anyway.
But isn't 10pots abit overkill for a light(ish) hatch like the GTI?
Kev
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Iv also been looking at some bigger brake calipers...should be fun to have around Gib...went over to la linea today (Spain) to a few car garages n stuff and none of them can bring in Tarox brakes....Any one know any websites were i could order some? Im looking at 10 or 12 pots depending on the monies and could any one recommend a disc size too? I dont really want to change the rim to 19"s just to fit some brakes :smiley:
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But isn't 10pots abit overkill for a light(ish) hatch like the GTI?
Kev
....Very much so!! And according to a senior race engineer I know who has 30 years experience in brake technology including F1 and NASCAR. Vehicle weight was the reason he gave too regarding the Mk5 GTI. But it looks good and sounds good in the pub too.
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Hurdy got a good price on these I understand.
If I was to upgrade brakes then I reckon there are 3 options depending on money/cost/availability....
1, Uprated Disks + Pads
2, R32 Brake Setup - better jumping to this option if you do a lot of track days etc
3, AP Racing Setup/Brembo Setup - or a.n.other 4 pot setup
Anything more that that would be an overkill.
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....Also, on the Mk5 GTI you don't really need to upgrade the rears as over 85% of braking is on the fronts. Also you would have all sorts of handbrake trickery to deal with if changing the rears.
There's a connection between AP and Brembo but AP Racing have complete autonomy with their development and products which are mostly in the competition (racing) field.
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Are they 330mm discs Hurdy? I got some quotes on the three different tarox kits. 320mm with 6pots, 320mm with 10pots and 330mm with 10pots. Incidently the 320/10pots cost a little bit more than the 330/10pots. The price i got for the 330/10pots were a smidgen over £1700. I could haggle abit more, but since you say it should cost £1995, then my initial price seems like a bargain anyway.
But isn't 10pots abit overkill for a light(ish) hatch like the GTI?
Kev
Yes they are the 330 mm discs.
10 pots maybe overkill for a standard GTI/ED30, but if you are planninglong term, then it is better to go for overkill at first as later on it may save money if you found a milder upgrade became inadequate :wink: The fact that I got mine at around half price made my mind up for me :smug: