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Model specific boards => Golf mk5 => Topic started by: Spaced on 12 March 2008, 17:37
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:sad:Just looking at the VED duties in the budget, the GTI for this year will be £210 for the year but will go up to £260 next year.
R32 (if registered after 23rd March 2006) will be £400 this year and will rise to £415 next year.
Hope I worked this out right, correct me if I am wrong.
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/bsp/hi/pdfs/13_03_08bud08_completereport.pdf (http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/bsp/hi/pdfs/13_03_08bud08_completereport.pdf)
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How come the gas guzzler only goes up £15 and the GTI goes up by £50?......Oh, I know why, there are a lot more F band cars than G band. Another case of lets go for the majority :sick:
Mind you in either case it is less than a tank of fuel :undecided: :angry:
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They aren't doing this for environmental issues, it's just a way of squeezing more money out of us. Just look at alcohol, as a nation, we all like a drink, the government just want us to give them more money with every drink we buy. Their philosophy is to tax the sh!t out of anything that gives people any pleasure. B@stards.
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Mind you in either case it is less than a tank of fuel :undecided: :angry:
True, but it still doesnt seem right. Im sure i remember reading somewhere that the total contribution to CO2 immisions from cars is less than .1% of the planets total production :shocked: Puts it into prospective doesnt it......
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£15 more can cause that much more damage to some ones pocket....especially if you are already paying £400
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Is anyone going to think.. "oh no i better get rid of the R32 because I have to pay an extra £15 per year???"
I dont think so!! Even if it went up to £1000 per year I still wouldnt give a hoot... (thats because I dont pay mine :wink:)
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:sad:Just looking at the VED duties in the budget, the GTI for this year will be £210 for the year but will go up to £260 next year.
....But then won't it be £425 for 2010 !!!! :angry:
I won't be changing my car just to satisfy the fecking gov'nment !!
This tax doesn't solve any carbon problems, it just collects even more tax which will probably get used to shaft us even more by funding toll roads!
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Is anyone going to think.. "oh no i better get rid of the R32 because I have to pay an extra £15 per year???"
I dont think so!! Even if it went up to £1000 per year I still wouldnt give a hoot... (thats because I dont pay mine :wink:)
No up until today it was £300 per year for cars like the R32, it is now £400 for the remainder of this year, rising to £415 next year.
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They aren't doing this for environmental issues, it's just a way of squeezing more money out of us. Just look at alcohol, as a nation, we all like a drink, the government just want us to give them more money with every drink we buy. Their philosophy is to tax the sh!t out of anything that gives people any pleasure. B@stards.
Here here :angry:
Cass
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£185 - £200 for mine does that mean they will sort the damn roads out, no thought not!
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Instead of calculating CO2 on exhaust emissions, they should take a longer term real-world view and calculate according to Dust-to-Dust which accounts for the carbon used from the initial creation in the factory plus a 100,000 mile yardstick plus the final disposal back to dust.
Guess where the fecking Toyota Pious comes in the list?..........In the 80's, 86th if I remember correctly.
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Instead of calculating CO2 on exhaust emissions, they should take a longer term real-world view and calculate according to Dust-to-Dust which accounts for the carbon used from the initial creation in the factory plus a 100,000 mile yardstick plus the final disposal back to dust.
Guess where the fecking Toyota Pious comes in the list?..........In the 80's, 86th if I remember correctly.
The Wrangler Jeep is first if i remember correctly???
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In the mean time the condition of our roads gets worse.. :angry:
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Even if it went up to £1000 per year I still wouldnt give a hoot... (thats because I dont pay mine :wink:)
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I wouldnt sell my R even if it was double. £400 a year is a lot but i try and not think about it.
I calculated that the R32 would be an extra £20-30 a week extra on fuel than my GTI was, but its only turned out £10 pw more, so if fact with the tax going up i still am no worse off than i budgeted.. :grin:
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While on the hobby horse - ever noted that they never state how much extra money they are needing to spend on the never ending mess they call the war! If its for the environment then lets see some transparency and see the extra getting spent on enviromental issues - not fudge it over and hope nobody notices where the money is really going. This 'government' must think were feckin stupid!
Personaly speaking i don't mind gas guzzlers getting taxed (so long as it DOES go on the enviroment) as in the long run we'll get rid of all these lardy cars and get some real effecient light weight performance machines - lets face it - the R32 is far too lardy!!!!
The future.......... A golf the size/weight of the MK1 or 2 while as safe/refined as the MkV - now there's progress!
I'll dismount now! :wink: :smiley:
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While on the hobby horse - ever noted that they never state how much extra money they are needing to spend on the never ending mess they call the war! If its for the environment then lets see some transparency and see the extra getting spent on enviromental issues - not fudge it over and hope nobody notices where the money is really going. This 'government' must think were feckin stupid!
Personaly speaking i don't mind gas guzzlers getting taxed (so long as it DOES go on the enviroment) as in the long run we'll get rid of all these lardy cars and get some real effecient light weight performance machines - lets face it - the R32 is far too lardy!!!!
The future.......... A golf the size/weight of the MK1 or 2 while as safe/refined as the MkV - now there's progress!
I'll dismount now! :wink: :smiley:
While i agree with almost all of what you said.. the R32 is hardly lardy?? only a few kg more than other golfs.
Remember there is no replacement for displacement :evil:
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The R32 is 2 big, fat men heavier at over 1500kg. Still not lardy when compared against some models though.
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The R32 is 2 big, fat men heavier at over 1500kg. Still not lardy when compared against some models though.
i think its a small weight gain if you look at what you get.. a whole 3.2 engine and a 4wd system, and bigger brakes!!
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The R32 is 2 big, fat men heavier at over 1500kg. Still not lardy when compared against some models though.
i think its a small weight gain if you look at what you get.. a whole 3.2 engine and a 4wd system, and bigger brakes!!
Not for much longer! :wink:
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meh. There will be a rebellion soon and all politicians will be burned at the stake, like the evil bloodsucking witches that they are.
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This is one of the reasons I took a GTI and not an R32 !
Afterall we all know it all comes down to one thing - they will only put up tax on the things we need, if it was something we didnt no-one would buy/use it and Gov would loose out.
Whats going on with this carrier bag situation at the moment, ok they want to stop us using them - easy stop making them, give us other methods... but no what there going to do is charge us for them, what does this do increase someone's profits I bet?? Someone has though we could make money out of this and in we'll cover it by making it look like were doing our bit for the environment.
Rant over ... sorry :angry:
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....A bit off topic, but there are plenty of canvas bags available - I hardly ever use plastic bags now. I burn petrol to make up for it! :evil:
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lets be honest, its to pay for the war and all the scuzzers claiming benifit and all the peeps that are fresh of the boat.
We should....
Leave the middle east to get on with it
make the scuzzers go back to work, even if it is just cleaning up their local community.
and send the rest back to France.
IMO.
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The most irritating thing in my case, is I waited years for the insurance to become a sensible level before getting an R32, and now what I'm saving on insurance just goes straight into Gordon Brown's pocket instead.
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I actually put on the news lsat night and thing that sorta shocked me most was higher tax rates for show room vehicles or something like that?? Doesnt sound too good.....
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... and meanwhile China commissions something like 5 new COAL FIRED power stations a week! :sick:
We are all aware of what this is all about, the Government Burglars look for any additional way of digging themselves out of the financial mess they have got themselves into in the previous fiscal year.
It has always been the same, it matters not the colour of the political party in charge at the time.
So strap yourselves in car fans, the futures bleak.....however what fun we will have in the meantime...just before we run our cars into the ground before giving up on life and opting to buy ourselves a Citroen C1 diesel or some other eco friendly shopping trolley.
If we ALL did...bet they would start charging significantly more for cars BELOW a certain size...w@nkers.
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I am sick of living in this money grabbing sh!t whole. Damm speed cameras graining etc cash nothing to do with saving lifes. Then you got stupid car tax which rises all the time.
Fuel for car rising each day it wud seem. Council tax rising. Energy prices rising to fuel our homes. Price of food going up probley to do with the rise of fuel. All these rises and out wages stay the same.
Soon people wont be going out at all. Cant afford to move next.
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While i agree with almost all of what you said.. the R32 is hardly lardy?? only a few kg more than other golfs.
Remember there is no replacement for displacement :evil:
Gents - for reference -IMO all cars are to Lardy. Think about it - a UR Quattro (which was considered a big car) with all the R32 gubbins (OK 1 cylinder less!) weighed pretty much the same weight as todays Golf GTI. Today a RS4 (without even mentioning the lardy RS6) weighs as much as Two Mk1 Golf GTI's!!!!!!!!!!
Whats needed is lighter cars with more sophisticated materials to increase power to weight with lighter smaller more efficient engines - thats how it used to be and we were all happy then until safety matters interviened.
The trick the Government is missing is not taxing on power to weight (mmm maybe it doesn't make enough money! :rolleyes:) - that way it would really hit these big powerful inefficient SUV's that loads of people with a taste / social responsibility by-passes are buying for school runs and give low volume sports car manufacturers a fighting chance!
However all above is fine so long as Enviromental taxes go on enviromental issues! Mmm - now what bomb shall i buy! :wink: :angry:
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one word.... Illuminati
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Vote BNP
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Vote BNP
Bit over the top dont you think!! They cant even run themselves never mind the country!