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Model specific boards => Golf mk5 => Topic started by: chavan969 on 04 February 2008, 09:36
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Ok here I go with my first post :smiley:
I am looking to change my current car which is a Mitsubishi Evo VIII MR FQ340, reason being my wife has decided she wants a Lotus Elise S instead of her Mini Cooper S, so basically I was due a change but to have two hard core cars just isn't practical (and I fancy the Lotus as its fantastic, pure drivers car and sooo much fun to drive).
Anyway I have been looking at a compromise for me and so far have shortlisted the following, all new.
Golf GTI SE30 - Felt nimble, fairly quick, handled well, chipped i know your looking at 300-315bhp which is very appealing. Getting on the expensive side for the performance side by side with its rivals.
Focus ST - Felt nimble, not as nimble as the SE30 but a lot of fun and felt quicker than the SE30, cabin noise was very addictive, again chipped i here makes them pretty rapid.
Focus RS (the new one thats out 2009, so I would have to sit tight for while) - This is difficult because its not out and there will be a waiting list, the thought of this car excites me though as Ford RS know what they are doing, will it be to hard core though?
Megane R26 - Fantastic handling, felt the fastest, great fun and very good value, i like the look of it as well. Fairly hard core but I could live with it.
Cars I have ruled out
Golf R32 - Too much for what it is, didn't feel nimble or faster than the SE30 and the engine felt lazy, i am a turbo fan though!!
Civic Type R (new shape) - God awful car, zero torque and dont like the way it looks so I dont know why I test drove one to be honest, it is cheap though...
Golf GTI - Haven't test drove one but think it will be too much of a power decrease for me, even chipped. I could be wrong though.
Audi S3 - Again the performance and handling didn't justify the cost over less expensive rivals
Seat Cupra FR thingy, whatever its called - nah its not going to happen
Astra VXR - Great fun if its not yours is the only comment i have about that car
Anyway what are your thoughts ladies and gentlemen?
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I don't think you will get many on here disagree with me in that out of that little lot the ED30 is the best overall car for the money.
You seem to have mentioned all the pros's and con's yourself!! I went form the S3 to the ED30 and have not looked back. If the Audi was the same price as the ED30 I would most probably have gone for the S3 but it isn't.
I have had mine for a few months now and still find it a real joy to drive and still look over my shoulder when I walk away from it as it really is a beautiful car.
Hope this helps you come to the right decision :smiley:
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i think you mean ED30, it stands for edition 30 because its the 30th year of the golf, and i think you should get one :smiley:
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I think u should get 1
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or maybe 2 :rolleyes:
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Hi,
I came from a Rx8 (hence forum name) the handling is not as sharp (read as dangerous) but i dont think there is a car on the market in this performance segment which can provide:-
30+ MPG on a cruise
Good handling
Qaulity & image
Insurance friendly
Familty Friendly (3 or 5 door)
Make you want to get up early to go for a blast :grin:
Go for Ed30, as clarkson said "If you buy a ford you end up with a Ford"
Do it.
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Welcome to the forum, chavan.
The great thing about the GTI/Ed30 is that, if 5-door, it's a great allrounder - Fast but practical. Obviously the final choice will be down to you but I think it would make a great companion to the Elise. I actually know someone who swopped his Elise for a highly modded GTI and has no regrets whatsoever.
I recommend CarLimits at North Weald if you want to explore the limits safely - Andy Walsh is an Elise driver but the course is for your own car whatever it is. 11 mpg and a set of tyres is what my GTI consumed on the day!
:smiley:
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I would not just disregard the Leon Cupra.
They are still fairly rare, they have the same engine turbo and 6 speed box (although DSG is not available with the Cupra) and therefore they tune to the same amount, and to cope with this, it has uprated brakes over the Edition 30 as standard. On top, it is cheaper to buy.
Downsides are that the dash is not as nice and it looks very much like the lesser FR.
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if you wanna tune, I think E30 is the way to go.
It's FWD, though. I don't know how you can cope with that after Evo. And the handling...
So, you'll lose on performance side, but gain on all other sides. :smiley:
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Megane R26 - Hope you mean the F1 version with the trick diff. Goes like stink around corners, but it nearly broke my back when I tried one in pothole city (Sheffield). Doesn't seem to be as much of a quality item and the space in the car isn't good either.
Focus ST - Again it doesn't have the same quality feel and when I test drove one, it also washed out at slower speeds than the GTI and it felt slower than the standard GTI. Likes a drink too!
Focus RS - basically a remapped version of the ST with an LSD and a few irrelevant add-ons and at £25k you may as well buy an ED30, map it and add a Quaife LSD :wink:
ED30 - It is the one I chose over the others and I don't regret it one bit. The brakes could be a bit meatier, but that's a small thing with the effects only noticeable at the extreme limit for longer periods.
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It it was me and my money... its got to be the ED30!
its that simple :laugh:
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Got to say that if you're getting an Elise, then you really want a good contrast, and that means:
-lots of space for people/luggage
-high quality interior
-effortless continental high speed cruising ability
-chuck in a DSG, then you don't have to hate traffic quite as much on 'ordinary' roads...
And the ED30 comes up trumps.
By the way, definitely recommend booking the Elise for a track day so you can see what happens when you get it wrong.. it can go very wrong :grin:
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Thanks for the comments from some of you guys, so your all pleased with the ED30. All of the cars I have mentioned are going to be a big change for me, so its important to get my purchase spot on. At the moment after looking at the +'s and -'s of both cars I have to say I am swinging towards the Megane (yes the F1 with trick diff) as it was noticeably better than any of the others as a driving machine.
Owning and buying a car for me is about the driving experience, plain and simple, yes its important that a minimum level of build quality is present, all of the cars I have listed exceed my standards. Yes the look of the car is important to a degree, but again all of them are OK, even the Civic and Leon and I would consider them if they provided the performance, but they dont (for me) and thats why i ruled the Golf GTI out as I believe its a less powerfull version of the Leon's engine, how anyone could think the ST is slower than the GTI I dont know, as IMO there is no question about it . Image, not bothered, i own an Evo for gods sake.
Have to disagree about comments on the soon to be Focus RS, if that car doesn't excite you IMO you are too loyal to your brand. Team RS Ford have one of the best pedigree's around and I would be shocked if the new RS Focus isn't up there at the top of the Hot Hatch list. A modified ST with a few irrelevant add-ons, I doubt it?????
It difficult, always is, does anyone know if a Tuner or dealer has a remapped ED30 as that might swing it. I am off next week to have a go in a remapped ST at 300 BHP, but to be honest wouldn't want to start modding hardware to that extent. The ED30 is just a chip isn't it to get 300bhp, no new exhaust?
I have done many many track days so has my wife, we are car freaks!!! Had a track day in an Exige along with a few other cars a year ago or so and yes they are unforgiving but its about knowing your limits, if you have ever driven an Evo FQ you will also know that the violence in which it delivers the power isn't something for the faint hearted....
All the cars I listed offer practicality, its the driving experience I am after...sorry to harp on but people are wasting their time saying the ED30 is better than the others because a) image and b) practicality and c) better build....
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....Only you can decide what suits you best, chavan.
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ed30 any day of the week.......... driving a golf isnt all about driving a car, its about how you feel when you drive the car........... its being part of a club :grin:
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It it was me and my money... its got to be the ED30!
its that simple :laugh:
WOW, DAMMMMN!!! I thought you were a super-hardcore R32 fan! What happened?
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chavan, you came to an Golf MarkV forum, which is populated by E30 owners, do you think our opinions will be very objective? :wink:
I suggest you buy M5. :smiley:
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Megane R26 - Fantastic handling, felt the fastest, great fun and very good value, i like the look of it as well. Fairly hard core but I could live with it.
Looking back at your first post, I think you have already made your mind up :wink:
Especially if you aren't too interested in image, build quality and practicality. :rolleyes:
I still stand by my post about the RS though :lipsrsealed: although it will definitely get the reviewers/journo's juices flowing.
An ST with 300bhp at the right price would also prove hard to resist on your remit.
ETTO I suppose.
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I had a Megan 1.9TDi with a load of extras.. and I can honestly say this car was complete cack. So many electrical problems it was just a joke. CS was very poor and they would only give me a Kangoo as courtesy car, i mean wtf!!
Every time it went in which was about 12x over 6 months they charged me £10 TO INSURE THE KANGOO.
Gear stick was so loose it was like mandingo with brewers droop!
Although I can appreciate that the F1 is a good drivers car and often wins many hot hatch shoot outs, its just not the kind of car you can get into in a years time and it still drives like new. Bits fall off and things become loose and squeek, and this was just in my 1.9tdi. Hate see what a F1 would look like after being driven hard!! Great looking cars but just dont do it in the qulity dept for me.
Sorry mate, but its just from experience :wink:
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It it was me and my money... its got to be the ED30!
its that simple :laugh:
WOW, DAMMMMN!!! I thought you were a super-hardcore R32 fan! What happened?
As i said before the ED30 is simply alot better value for money. But me i like the r32 so i dont see any change anytime soon :wink:
And if I do then I think I am now swaying to the 300bhp R32 conversion mentioned in a previous thread :drool: :drool:
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The ED30 is just a chip isn't it to get 300bhp, no new exhaust?
All the cars I listed offer practicality, its the driving experience I am after...
Yes, you can get around 300bhp with just a chip for around £500-£600. There's a road test of a Superchps ED30 here -
http://www.superchips.co.uk/roadtest/VW%20Driver%20May07%20Golf%20GTI%20Edition30.PDF
If you are purely after the driving experience, the Megane may well be the best car for you, certainly EVO magazine rate it very highly.
However the Golf ED30 is undoubtedly the more complete all rounder, and is always the car that the group test drivers want to drive home after thrashing their hot hatchbacks around all day :laugh:
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Renault,
We have run several in our fleet of cars at work.
Forget build quality, these things are not made very well, if you can get a big discount (new Megane boasting better build just around the corner?)
One good thing going for the Megane, IT HAS A VOLVO ENGINE :laugh:
Just my opinion (experience)
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Renault,
We have run several in our fleet of cars at work.
Forget build quality, these things are not made very well, if you can get a big discount (new Megane boasting better build just around the corner?)
One good thing going for the Megane, IT HAS A VOLVO ENGINE :laugh:
Just my opinion (experience)
Dont Volvos have ford engines???
The best way to see if you can handle a Megane is to go look at a few used examples.... they are all so tatty!!
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VolvoS40/S50=Focus+ST=MeganeR26=Loose arse at resale time :cry:
Seriously, young girl in accounts has a 197 apart from cat failing after 2 months its been fine. :wink:
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i had a little tussle with megane f1 adimiting it was on fairly straight dual carrageway and i had slight edge untill we hit traffic,only had 1200miles on me clock aswell.
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Chavan,
you'll have read about the overwhelming bias towards the Golf but if it's ultimate driving thrills you're after then the ED30 isn't the sharpest tool in the box. Don't get me wrong it is an extraordinarily accomplished car and without doubt the most rounded and desirable package of any (affordable) hot hatch currently on sale but there are better 'drivers' cars out there.
Personally I find that it's the chassis and brakes that let it down and I wouldn't consider any of the 300bhp chips for this car in its standard form. It's great at 8 or 9 tenths but ragged thereafter with pronounced lateral transitional 'lag' (it takes the roll bars, springs and dampers too long to contain the side to side weight) and the brakes are only adequate and don't inspire confidence with hard use.
The engine is fantastic and gets its power down well but it's at the limits of its adhesion in low gear corners and will spin up its inside wheel given an opportunity. Torque steer is very well contained though. Another 60bhp will only exacerbate this and I'd wager that the standard ED30 would drive away from a chipped one on a twisty country road simply because it would get its power down more easily.
The motoring press havn't gone mad over the Megane R26 for nothing and that trick diff gives it an advantage on give and take roads that the ED30 (or any other hatch) can't match. I drove a Megane F1 the other day and was astonished at its stability (finely judged damping) and direction changing ability (wide track and huge tyres). You do though have to put up with the uninspiring interior, van like driving position and questionable looks, although you did state that this won't bother you.
There is speculation that Renault will soon release a last hurrah Megane 'Ultimate' with more power and less weight, so that'll be worth looking out for.
Although you thought that the F1 felt quickest I think that it was subjective as performance figures show that a standard ED 30 will hit 100mph around 1.5 seconds faster than the 30kg heavier Megane, probably due to the 'real' power output advantage of the Golf.
Finally, if you can bide your time then the general consensus is that fast hatches will soon all be running high 200's horsepower mated to trick diffs, the advantage being lower weight and less complexity (read cost) than 4 wheel drive models but still with reasonable traction and great ground covering ability.
The next 12-18 months looks like being an exciting time.
Good luck, the search is often the best bit!
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Personally I find that it's the chassis and brakes that let it down and I wouldn't consider any of the 300bhp chips for this car in its standard form. It's great at 8 or 9 tenths but ragged thereafter with pronounced lateral transitional 'lag' (it takes the roll bars, springs and dampers too long to contain the side to side weight) and the brakes are only adequate and don't inspire confidence with hard use.
The engine is fantastic and gets its power down well but it's at the limits of its adhesion in low gear corners and will spin up its inside wheel given an opportunity. Torque steer is very well contained though.
The motoring press havn't gone mad over the Megane R26 for nothing and that trick diff gives it an advantage on give and take roads that the ED30 (or any other hatch) can't match. I drove a Megane F1 the other day and was astonished at its stability (finely judged damping) and direction changing ability (wide track and huge tyres).
Finally, if you can bide your time then the general consensus is that fast hatches will soon all be running high 200's horsepower mated to trick diffs, the advantage being lower weight and less complexity (read cost) than 4 wheel drive models but still with reasonable traction and great ground covering ability.
....Though my experience is with the non-Ed30 GTI, I agree that upgrading the brakes and suspension make quite a difference to the standard car. However, I believe that the chassis is very good, and so do many others.
Interesting to read your comments about a "trick diff" - Spinning the inside wheel is usually the problem and I am seriously considering a Quaife ATB when my warranty runs out in the summer.
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If you're not bothered about image then how about the new Subaru Impreza WRX STI! I think its well ugly but it's got the performance that you crave.
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the Civic and Leon and I would consider them if they provided the performance, but they dont (for me)
Dont know how you could think the Leon Cupra fails to deliver performance when it runs the same spec engine turbo, intercooler etc as the Edition 30. Out the box the Leon Cupra is 10hp more powerful than the Ed30, and it remaps to the same as the Ed30. On top, it has the beefy brakes from the R32 as standard, which are not present on the Edition 30.
Perhaps you are confused with the 200bhp K03s Turbo'd Leon FR which is the Golf GTi engined Leon and the 240bhp K04 Turbo'd Leon Cupra which is the Edition 30 engined Leon.
And yes, the Leon Cupra will mince a Civic. Done it. :wink:
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the Civic and Leon and I would consider them if they provided the performance, but they dont (for me)
Dont know how you could think the Leon Cupra fails to deliver performance when it runs the same spec engine turbo, intercooler etc as the Edition 30. Out the box the Leon Cupra is 10hp more powerful than the Ed30, and it remaps to the same as the Ed30. On top, it has the beefy brakes from the R32 as standard, which are not present on the Edition 30.
Perhaps you are confused with the 200bhp K03s Turbo'd Leon FR which is the Golf GTi engined Leon and the 240bhp K04 Turbo'd Leon Cupra which is the Edition 30 engined Leon.
And yes, the Leon Cupra will mince a Civic. Done it. :wink:
Yes it was the Leon FR with 200bhp not the 240bhp, didnt know they did one, i had read sometime ago it was in the pipeline. Just had a look at price and very good value as well, I am going to ring around some dealers to see if they have a demo car. When i went to the dealer, he reckoned the FR was the most powerful Leon they did!!!!! idiot... Thanks for that as it could be an option and with the same engine as the ed30 moding the car to 300bhp should be available via just a chip?
Had a Scoobie before and although not as raw as the Evo its still rough around the edges compared to all the cars I am looking at, thanks anyway....
I have now had some prices on a facelifted ST2 out in March and what I would save on that over the ED30 I could put towards the Lotus and get the 'R' rather than the 'S'....tempting i must admit as i did like the ST
Anyway thanks for all your thoughts, i have been very impressed with some of the very good view points of the ED30. A great hot hatch no doubt about it...enjoy your motoring
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Thanks for that as it could be an option and with the same engine as the ed30 moding the car to 300bhp should be available via just a chip?
Yup. Anywhere from 300bhp to a claimed 330bhp depending which one you choose. There are less drivetrain losses and weight than a four wheel drive, so after initial take off, there is less drag to slow it down.
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I have been a busy man, testing all my options and I was swinging back towards the ED30 until Saturday when the prick salesman decided to floor the ED30 in an attempt to catch an ST. What a fool he made out of himself. I know both cars have the same performance figures but this man couldn't drive to save his life. Idiot he nearly lost control and I nearly dragged him out of the car and beat his head against the tarmac!!!
Anyhow once we changed seats I thought he has just scared the living daylights out of me I will now do the same :grin: :grin: He went very pale indeed and I was very impressed by the handling, normally I am very conservative when test driving in company.....Looks like I may be joining you guys but will need a remap as the ST didn't half destroy him (may have had a remap, who knows). Offered me a bleedin good price for my Evo, dont ask!!!!
ED30 role on....I am 95% convinced!!!
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Good to see you had an exhuberant test drive :grin:
Did the test drive change your mind about getting the Renault?
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Renault lent me the F1 for a couple of hours, now whilst a great handling car I decided it was still a little rough around the edges for what I want. I want a sensible hatchback that is fairly normal and comfy around town, the F1 isnt that a little noisy and a llike a pit bull on a short lead, angry even.
The ST is very tempting but Ford are £2000 under VW part exchange value for my car!!!!VW have even said they will throw in 3 services, so all in all a good deal. I think the sales manager fancies having my Evo to play with for a few hours, he will have a shock as I remember when i approached them he was saying that the ED30 would keep up with Scoobies and Evos...!!!!
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I think you will be pleasantly surprised when you drive a ed30 that’s fully run in, Mine took about 6K, and it really is so much faster! It feels like someone flicked a switch at 6k and doubled the toque!
My std ed30 has kept up with loads of so called more “powerful†cars, including a few Scoobies and Evos!
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I think you will be pleasantly surprised when you drive a ed30 that’s fully run in, Mine took about 6K, and it really is so much faster! It feels like someone flicked a switch at 6k and doubled the toque!
My std ed30 has kept up with loads of so called more “powerful†cars, including a few Scoobies and Evos!
Without wanting to stir up you members as I will soon be one. You may keep up with a WRX, never a WRX STi but even a EVO 260 would walk away if the drivers are the same standard. As for any EVO FQ, I am sorry not a chance in any situation...end of....(we are talking std v std)
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I think you will be pleasantly surprised when you drive a ed30 that’s fully run in, Mine took about 6K, and it really is so much faster! It feels like someone flicked a switch at 6k and doubled the toque!
My std ed30 has kept up with loads of so called more “powerful†cars, including a few Scoobies and Evos!
Without wanting to stir up you members as I will soon be one. You may just about keep up with a WRX, never a WRX STi but even a EVO 260 would walk away if the drivers are the same standard. As for any EVO FQ, I am sorry not a chance in any situation...end of....(we are talking std v std)
I have to agree with that. Standard v's standard there is no contest and the same would apply in modified v's modified.
In the wet the 4WD ricers would walk away all the time. For me, it isn't about that though, I want an all round car and the ED30 is that car, add DSG and a 4WD manual WRX/EVO 260 would struggle to keep up. Add a remap to a DSG car and it is anyone's guess what the outcome would be even against the more powerful EVO's and STi (standard of course :wink:):undecided:
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evo FQ or rs4 for my next car :smiley: i had a wrx and i can honestly say my golf would leave it standing, in the dry :grin:
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Hurdy i agree, totally different cars and thats why i fancy a hot hatch, more usable day to day and we are getting the Lotus :smug:
But theres always somebody who is either far to brand loyal and blinkered. Quotes like ive kept up with EVO's and Scoobies really let down the rest of the members IMO. The bottom line is if the poster did, the EVO driver wasn't trying, end of. You would have to change a hell of a lot on an ED30 to get it anywhere near a standard EVO FQ to be honest even with some serious mods it would struggle to even get close. As for a EVO260 struggling to keep up with a standard ED30 with DSG, no way. The EVO260 would easily beat the DSG ED30 off the lights and would maintain a healthy lead. And I dont think whatever mods you put on an ED30 (maybe if you installed 4wd!!!!) it would ever make 0-60 in less than 5.5secs and that would only be achievable in optimum conditions.
The ED30 along with other hot hatches is a good all rounder, better at doing the day to day things along with comfy mway driving and good for a blast.
What it isnt and never will be is an EVO FQ rival...... different market...
I am going to get an ED30 but I am realistic about my expectations of the car
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Chavan's right i had an FQ300 and it would destroy a modded golf in all area's,on any road and was rapid whatever the weather through at it. The only downside was 12mpg.
But i've said it before as a package the gti's the better all round car. :smiley:
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Seems like you asked for our "honest reviews" but don’t really want them?
I've never had a VW before so I am hardly brand loyal or blinkered.
I am simply conveying my driving experience of the ED30. end of.
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I think you will be pleasantly surprised when you drive a ed30 that’s fully run in, Mine took about 6K, and it really is so much faster! It feels like someone flicked a switch at 6k and doubled the toque!
My std ed30 has kept up with loads of so called more “powerful†cars, including a few Scoobies and Evos!
Without wanting to stir up you members as I will soon be one. You may keep up with a WRX, never a WRX STi but even a EVO 260 would walk away if the drivers are the same standard. As for any EVO FQ, I am sorry not a chance in any situation...end of....(we are talking std v std)
maybe from stand still.
From rolling start, I wonder.
Wolfbane got away from Evo with 305hp, he said. Also, his friend with 305hp E30 got away from that same Evo. That was NOT from stand still.
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Seems like you asked for our "honest reviews" but don’t really want them?
I've never had a VW before so I am hardly brand loyal or blinkered.
I am simply conveying my driving experience of the ED30. end of.
What models of EVO and Scoobie have you kept up with?
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maybe from stand still.
From rolling start, I wonder.
Wolfbane got away from Evo with 305hp, he said. Also, his friend with 305hp E30 got away from that same Evo. That was NOT from stand still.
This is getting silly now. Your quoting modified ED30 versus standard EVO, your not even quoting which EVO model, i can only assume it wasnt an FQ model, if it was thats utter rubbish. I have driven a 300bhp ST and there is no way on the planet it would beat any EVO FQ in any situation.
Comparing modified cars to un-modified cars is pointless.
Just for the record I am not saying the EVO is or isnt a better car than the ED30. The ED30 is without doubt a more rounded car and thats why its won in my shoot out and will be buying one, but please please please dont start talking about taking on EVO's or Scoobies unless you can be more specific about the model...
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I think the evo was silver, the scoobie was definitely light blue....
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I think the evo was silver, the scoobie was definitely light blue....
With that description i am shocked that you even new what car it was :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin:
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:smiley:
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I think the evo was silver, the scoobie was definitely light blue....
I'm hoping that was a joke :grin:
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we could always chuck in a nice modded R32 just to spice up the mix if you like :evil: :evil:
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I think you will be pleasantly surprised when you drive a ed30 that’s fully run in, Mine took about 6K, and it really is so much faster! It feels like someone flicked a switch at 6k and doubled the toque!
My std ed30 has kept up with loads of so called more “powerful†cars, including a few Scoobies and Evos!
Without wanting to stir up you members as I will soon be one. You may keep up with a WRX, never a WRX STi but even a EVO 260 would walk away if the drivers are the same standard. As for any EVO FQ, I am sorry not a chance in any situation...end of....(we are talking std v std)
Sorry but I would have to disagree here re the comment on the evo 260 walking away, even an fq300 for that matter and yes I have a friend who has had both and run many tests. The difference is so minimal it's not a case of walking away????? After all std ed30 power to weight vs the 260, ???? The evo 260 is a 5.9 second car and so is the ed30 dsg, top end and throughout the gear range they are pretty much side by side. I must also say that the evo range starts at a base point and is reworked, remapped etc from base, what's to say the same can't be done with the ed30.
I know the Evo range is basically a road going rally car, on overall balance and actual performance I would have to agree to disagree re your comments on the 260 and thats not being vw blinkered, it's just stating fact??????
By the way, love the sound of the Lotus, great respect!!!!!!!
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Cant believe you think an ED30 will look at an FQ300 0-60 4.8 secs,and it will do this every time. :grin:If your going by book speeds ED30 dsg 0-60 6.8. FQ300 4.8. maybe on the right conditions the ED30 will get around 6 secs but not very often.
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Guys I think this is getting out of hand. There is no way that a golf gti ed 30 would keep up with an Evo. I have an honda integra type r with around 200 bhp (still voted best FWD handling car ever made) and my mate has an evo 9 FQ 320 and it absolutely thrashed my car.
I am contemplating changing my car this year and I do fancy an Golf GTi as I think it offers superior quality over any jap or french car. If I was to get an Edition 30 the first thing i would do is put a quaife diff in it as the integra has one and it handles like a dream especially in the wet. You won't look back after the LSD.
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No idea where your getting your 0-60 times but they seem to be 1sec quicker than any reviews or official times i have seen. And the car certainly doesnt feel that quick.
If you have ever owned a 4wd sports car like an Evo or STi you would know that launching off the mark is stunning. Quotes like my friend has run many tests using his FQ260 and FQ300 are utter crap, if he had you wouldnt be making this shocking statements an fq300 will do 60mph in 4.5 secs!!!! IT WILL WALK AWAY WITH SHOCKING EASE and make you look very stupid indeed if you ever try it on with one in an ED30
This forum is amusing I think i shall stay clear as i dont want to be part of the ed30 the fastest car on earth brigade.
Accept the ED30 for what it is, a good all rounder, a good package, a well built hot hatchback.
Next somebody will tell me that the ED30 would give my FQ340 MR a run for its money......shocking stuff to read....power to weight ratios, please dont start talking about things you clearly have no idea about, without working it out I would still estimate the bhp per ton to be higher in a evo260 as yes it will be heavier but not much....next will be the 4wd transmission loss statement.
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i've got an ed30 with bluefin, my dads got an fq 400 evo, you wouldn't believe how much faster and how much more grip and traction the evo has. an ed30 would never get near any evo off the mark. even anfq300 would murder a remapped ed 30 on acceleration, it would only be after about 60mph that an ed30 might hold station, so enough of this trying to make our ed 30 something they are not and enjoy them for what they are, the best hot hatch around imo.
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i've got an ed30 with bluefin, my dads got an fq 400 evo, you wouldn't believe how much faster and how much more grip and traction the evo has. an ed30 would never get near any evo off the mark. even anfq300 would murder a remapped ed 30 on acceleration, it would only be after about 60mph that an ed30 might hold station, so enough of this trying to make our ed 30 something they are not and enjoy them for what they are, the best hot hatch around imo.
Well said, you have redeemed the club with some common sense :grin: :grin: :grin:
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Just caught up with this thread... very entertaining! I agree that you just can't get near to an EVO on launch! Only thing that annoys me with my GTI is getting bloody traction! :angry:
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I've been lurking on the forum for a few weeks as I'm seriously considering an ED30 as my next car. I find some of the statements on this site very amusing. Comments like fully laiden Gti's beating M3's, Ed30 being as quick as C4S, FQ's, STI's etc etc.
I've had a couple of test drives in an Ed30 and it is a very accomplished hot hatch, but its simply not in the same league as the cars mentioned above. I currently own a 2004 Civic Type-R, with similar book figures to an Ed30. I would never compare my car to those above on a performance/handling basis. I'm sure a remap would improve performance on an Ed30, but front wheel drive has its limitations and any sorted rear wheel drive or four wheel drive car with more power like those listed above will be quicker in all situations!
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maybe from stand still.
From rolling start, I wonder.
Wolfbane got away from Evo with 305hp, he said. Also, his friend with 305hp E30 got away from that same Evo. That was NOT from stand still.
This is getting silly now. Your quoting modified ED30 versus standard EVO, your not even quoting which EVO model, i can only assume it wasnt an FQ model, if it was thats utter rubbish. I have driven a 300bhp ST and there is no way on the planet it would beat any EVO FQ in any situation.
Comparing modified cars to un-modified cars is pointless.
Just for the record I am not saying the EVO is or isnt a better car than the ED30. The ED30 is without doubt a more rounded car and thats why its won in my shoot out and will be buying one, but please please please dont start talking about taking on EVO's or Scoobies unless you can be more specific about the model...
not FQ. Evo was souped up, too. And it was a rolling battle. Of the mark any car with similar or even less power than E30 but with 4x4 would beat E30, in my opinion. Hurdy will probably disagree (S3 was not faster than his E30 DSG).
Of course E30 is no match for proper Evo, that's obvious! But then, they are totally diferent animals.
Anyway
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E30 goes well, but only from the 3rd gear. Before that I get flustered, traction is clearly lacking. :cry: :cry: :cry:
I know that my next whip will be 4x4.
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How an earth do you know it was 'souped' up as you put it, you dont know do you, I am sure you will now tell me you spoke to the EVO driver!!!! But forgot to mention it before, if you did you would know exactly how much power the ' souped up' EVO was pushing because the driver would have told you. Sorry I have to say it but your full of sh!t......And like I stated you are comparing modded ed30 to a standard car....
I am not posting anymore as clearly there are a fair few misguided, naive and very ignorant members on this forum and dont know why I am wasting my time trying to educate those who clearly have no idea...
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How an earth do you know it was 'souped' up as you put it, you dont know do you, I am sure you will now tell me you spoke to the EVO driver!!!! But forgot to mention it before, if you did you would know exactly how much power the ' souped up' EVO was pushing because the driver would have told you. Sorry I have to say it but your full of sh!t......And like I stated you are comparing modded ed30 to a standard car....
I am not posting anymore as clearly there are a fair few misguided, naive and very ignorant members on this forum and dont know why I am wasting my time trying to educate those who clearly have no idea...
I only know what wolfbane told me, he knows the guy in Evo, and he knows how much power it puts out.
Also I think you should calm down. I may be full of sh!t (though I said Evo takes E30 due to 4x4), but you are hilarious in your rage. I passed that stage in 3rd grade.
Ta ta.
P.S. I don't take education from big babies either.
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We all love our ED30, golf GTI's etc for what they are but it also makes me laugh as an ex owner of anFQ300.I think these races were in a dream. :grin:
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Guys. Guys.
Chill a little.... Else Hurdy is going to have to lock this thread.
There is no pride in saying I kicked your @ss in an arguement here.
Its the internet for heavens sake! :grin:
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And to throw my two cents in:
The whole arguement/ discussion/ call it what you want is pointless.
If you want some that is going to destroy almost anything on the road. Buy a scoobie. A M3 or a Porsche Cayman even.
The thing people cant understand is that the GTi (regardless of wether its Edition 30 or not) is not designed to be a sportscar. Its a hothatch and is currently the best at being a HOTHATCH.
The Gti is a complete allrounder. It does everything including giving you the thrills that your scoobie might give you only that the thrill might noy be so thrilling :rolleyes:
So regardless of wether a "fully laiden golf" beat a M3 the point is still rather simple. If you want to race scoobies and evo's. Buy one. I completely agree with everyone who says that people expect too much from the Gti.
Mike
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Well put mike :nerd: I'm glad that fella who started this thread says he ain't going to post again, he be taking things WAY to seriously, as Peskarik said, it was quite amusing reading him go off on one! :grin:
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Thanks :laugh:
I think that at the best of times this forum is very friendly. I have said nothing in this thread and he knocks me for what I posted about my dad beating a M3. In a fully laiden golf :grin:
I quite enjoyed Peskariks response about being educated ny big babies. I think I have a new signature :wink:
Mike
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I lied :grin: :grin: :grin:
Big Babies and my rage, your making me laugh now :laugh: I am not the one with making the comments hyping up an ED30 into basically into something it isn't.
I am sorry if peoples remarks regarding performance of the ED30 wind me up and apologise. I am a car enthusiast, no loyalty to any brand and I accept a car for what it is. I didn't start the debate on EVO v ED30 anyway, it was someone bragging that they keep up with them....
One of the most amusing threads I have read for a while is the 'What car have you beat in your ED30' that thread is a real hoot, if people want to believe the Ed30 is the best car in the world go ahead keep dreaming, it may well be in your eye's but don't hype it up into something it isn't as it actually does no good at all and makes people look very isolated when it comes to their car knowledge.
Lots of decent posts from members though and i appreciate them....
I have a dealer as I am writing this looking at what spec/colour ed30 model he can get his hands on, we will go from there...
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Let us kniw what spec you decide on :wink:
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PAH; you all need you heads checked; my TDI is THE fastest AND bestest car ever :laugh: :laugh:
Choke on my smoke :tongue:
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YEah.. Im choking.
Especially since the smoke is coming from a German Army Tank
:evil:
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Who says a car has to be the fastest to be the best???
The difference between most of these cars is not really that big anyway... all it takes is red light and your all back to square 1 again :drool:
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Guys. Guys.
Chill a little.... Else Hurdy is going to have to lock this thread.
There is no pride in saying I kicked your @ss in an arguement here.
Its the internet for heavens sake! :grin:
Well spoken from a young man with maturity beyond his years :cool:
Anyone who wants to prove their cars, be it 0-60, standing 1/4, rolling 1/2 mile etc should:-
a) keep it off public roads.
b) take it to the track and prove it.
I have no misconceptions about my car, every performance quote I give is backed up from printouts of actual track events or Rolling roads.
An ED30 is a top quality hot hatch which has good modding potential, but here is the crux of the issue - an EVO in any kind of modded state is a different beast for a different type of market and is something I personally would never subscribe to. A modded S3 or a Modded R32 would be more up my street, but even these have a slightly different appeal to a GTI/ED30.
Rally based ricers are bred from just that, Rallying technology and as such are point to point weapons, but what they gain in performance they lose out on in quality and mass market appeal and image.
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Well put!! Guess thats why your the moderator :grin:
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Who says a car has to be the fastest to be the best???
Thats not at all what the debate is about, you need to read the thread. Different cars for different things and I have said from post one that the Golf offers a a more rounded package than an EVO FQ and thats why I am buying one. A Lotus r or s and a EVO FQ340 MR would be difficult to live with I think you would agree.
Then people start harping on about the ED30 performance and how they have beaten EVOS etc, which is as far from being 'honest' as you could get. Maybe people are just trying to wind me up who knows :shocked:
Anyway Dealer has found me a Silver and a Red ED30 fairly standard spec, wheels are ok but I prefer the GTi ones but I can live with them. Would really like a black one, a sh!t to clean but I think it shows the red piping round the grill better than the others.....The good thing is I am going to walk out the dealer with a big fat cheque!!!!
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Who says a car has to be the fastest to be the best???
Thats not at all what the debate is about, you need to read the thread. Different cars for different things and I have said from post one that the Golf offers a a more rounded package than an EVO FQ and thats why I am buying one. A Lotus r or s and a EVO FQ340 MR would be difficult to live with I think you would agree.
Then people start harping on about the ED30 performance and how they have beaten EVOS etc, which is as far from being 'honest' as you could get. Maybe people are just trying to wind me up who knows :shocked:
Anyway Dealer has found me a Silver and a Red ED30 fairly standard spec, wheels are ok but I prefer the GTi ones but I can live with them. Would really like a black one, a sh!t to clean but I think it shows the red piping round the grill better than the others.....The good thing is I am going to walk out the dealer with a big fat cheque!!!!
I did read the thread from start to finish. It was just my opinion that a car doesnt have to be the fastest to be the best, thats all. I can understand where your coming from about people giving Evos some. I dont really buy into that tbh. I have lost count the number of times a saxo has tried it with me... It doesnt mean Im going to floor it everytime.
Half the fun is keeping the car close behind you... makes it a bit of a challenge. Meanwhile there are 2 divs in a Saxo gloating about how they kept up with/beat a R32. but we all know what the reality is :smug:
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No idea where your getting your 0-60 times but they seem to be 1sec quicker than any reviews or official times i have seen. And the car certainly doesnt feel that quick.
If you have ever owned a 4wd sports car like an Evo or STi you would know that launching off the mark is stunning. Quotes like my friend has run many tests using his FQ260 and FQ300 are utter crap, if he had you wouldnt be making this shocking statements an fq300 will do 60mph in 4.5 secs!!!! IT WILL WALK AWAY WITH SHOCKING EASE and make you look very stupid indeed if you ever try it on with one in an ED30
This forum is amusing I think i shall stay clear as i dont want to be part of the ed30 the fastest car on earth brigade.
Accept the ED30 for what it is, a good all rounder, a good package, a well built hot hatchback.
Next somebody will tell me that the ED30 would give my FQ340 MR a run for its money......shocking stuff to read....power to weight ratios, please dont start talking about things you clearly have no idea about, without working it out I would still estimate the bhp per ton to be higher in a evo260 as yes it will be heavier but not much....next will be the 4wd transmission loss statement.
Utter what exactly, you really are making me laugh!!!!
Fact the 260 power to rate is around 177 compared to 172 std to std of course, so I would hardly call that walking away?????
Once up and running above 60 don't make me laugh, fq300 vs ed30 with same power would not walk away????
maybe off the line but hey that's not my point, walking away was your comment and this is what I'm questioning, and by the way no need to be rude, I'm only stating my opinion with hard fact and figures from friends who have some very very nice cars,.........sorry you feel the need to use words like sh!t and cr*p!
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I lied :grin: :grin: :grin:
Big Babies and my rage, your making me laugh now :laugh: I am not the one with making the comments hyping up an ED30 into basically into something it isn't.
I am sorry if peoples remarks regarding performance of the ED30 wind me up and apologise. I am a car enthusiast, no loyalty to any brand and I accept a car for what it is. I didn't start the debate on EVO v ED30 anyway, it was someone bragging that they keep up with them....
One of the most amusing threads I have read for a while is the 'What car have you beat in your ED30' that thread is a real hoot, if people want to believe the Ed30 is the best car in the world go ahead keep dreaming, it may well be in your eye's but don't hype it up into something it isn't as it actually does no good at all and makes people look very isolated when it comes to their car knowledge.
Lots of decent posts from members though and i appreciate them....
I have a dealer as I am writing this looking at what spec/colour ed30 model he can get his hands on, we will go from there...
I am not hyping anything, don't be silly. I am fully aware of the differences between a road going rally car and a family hatch.
Not so long ago an Evo took me with ease, and that was from 100kmh (though I was in 6th).
There is no competition between E30 and Evo, it is Sandra Bol-locks, I'd be sniffing his exhaust everytime.
Do I care? Well, only to the extent that my next ride will be 4x4 or at least BWD.
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Utter what exactly, you really are making me laugh!!!!
Fact the 260 power to rate is around 177 compared to 172 std to std of course, so I would hardly call that walking away?????
Once up and running above 60 don't make me laugh, fq300 vs ed30 with same power would not walk away????
maybe off the line but hey that's not my point, walking away was your comment and this is what I'm questioning, and by the way no need to be rude, I'm only stating my opinion with hard fact and figures from friends who have some very very nice cars,.........sorry you feel the need to use words like sh!t and cr*p!
How many times do people need telling you cannot compare Modified cars to standard cars its pointless!!!!!!! The gains made by the EVO260 from a standing start would put enough distance between the two cars, it would then maintain a healthy lead and would continue to gain slowly, the standard ed30 wouldnt make ground IMO thats enough to justify my 'walk away' statement. I didnt say it would bury the ED30 although on a track it would, but thats obvious. Above 60mph yes an ed30 would put up a better fight but IMO it still would lose ground.
I am a very active member of the UK Evo and Subaru enthusiast clubs and attend track days maybe 3 times a year for the last 14-15years. Believe me I have seen Focus RS's and many other fwd cars running 260-280bhp easily beaten by Evo 260's and i mean with ease!!!!
I dont know why people are getting so defensive. I have not said once that the EVO is a better car and I haven't criticised the ED30 once, i have nothing but praise for the car....
The whole thread is sounding like a broken record now and it boring me. Guys love the ed30 but for those who think the ed30 is a rival for an EVO get yourself to a track day or dealer and drive an EVO you will see that in the terms of getting from a to b the quickest it is king!!!!It may shatter your spine on the way though :laugh:
Having problems getting a black one, anyone know any dealers who have one as i am willing to travel....
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Having problems getting a black one, anyone know any dealers who have one as i am willing to travel....
If you don't mind an import I can recommend this place, where I got mine from.
They currently have a new black 5dr in stock (I would'nt pay for the Gard X though) :
http://www.allbrandsnew.co.uk/search_results2.asp?sid=76383&van=C
They did me a reasonable part exchange too
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Having problems getting a black one, anyone know any dealers who have one as i am willing to travel....
Couple of used ones on ebay if you don't mind used. This one has a high spec, no xenons but all the other bits....http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Golf-GTI-EDITION-30-DSG-5-door-Metallic-Black-2007-9k_W0QQitemZ220198962081QQihZ012QQcategoryZ9873QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
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chavan, is Evo really that firm wrt suspension? Any Evo? Real spine compressor?
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Utter what exactly, you really are making me laugh!!!!
Fact the 260 power to rate is around 177 compared to 172 std to std of course, so I would hardly call that walking away?????
Once up and running above 60 don't make me laugh, fq300 vs ed30 with same power would not walk away????
maybe off the line but hey that's not my point, walking away was your comment and this is what I'm questioning, and by the way no need to be rude, I'm only stating my opinion with hard fact and figures from friends who have some very very nice cars,.........sorry you feel the need to use words like sh!t and cr*p!
How many times do people need telling you cannot compare Modified cars to standard cars its pointless!!!!!!! The gains made by the EVO260 from a standing start would put enough distance between the two cars, it would then maintain a healthy lead and would continue to gain slowly, the standard ed30 wouldnt make ground IMO thats enough to justify my 'walk away' statement. I didnt say it would bury the ED30 although on a track it would, but thats obvious. Above 60mph yes an ed30 would put up a better fight but IMO it still would lose ground.
I am a very active member of the UK Evo and Subaru enthusiast clubs and attend track days maybe 3 times a year for the last 14-15years. Believe me I have seen Focus RS's and many other fwd cars running 260-280bhp easily beaten by Evo 260's and i mean with ease!!!!
I dont know why people are getting so defensive. I have not said once that the EVO is a better car and I haven't criticised the ED30 once, i have nothing but praise for the car....
The whole thread is sounding like a broken record now and it boring me. Guys love the ed30 but for those who think the ed30 is a rival for an EVO get yourself to a track day or dealer and drive an EVO you will see that in the terms of getting from a to b the quickest it is king!!!!It may shatter your spine on the way though :laugh:
Having problems getting a black one, anyone know any dealers who have one as i am willing to travel....
If you like the sound of a new ed30, Black, with black monzas with all the kit, import although brand new (£29k) and from a fab dealer willing to do a deal, so price will come down give me a shout, will dig out the details for you. Bought my steel grey from same dealer and it's been fantastic. By the way agree re the broken record comment :grin: Holding out my hand re a shake and forget about it, after all great respect for your choice of car and the lotus of course!!!!
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Found a dealer with a black ED30, no extras but with Monza's. It will be an 08 plate :rolleyes: :rolleyes: chuffed as thats the colour I wanted and the wheels as well.
Also ordered the Lotus and gone for the R (08 plate), it worked out better to part x my EVO at the Lotus Garage and my wifes mini at the VW garage.....Looking forward to both cars, the R over the Elise S is such a difference, the power delivery is nearly as violent as the EVO. Off the mark the Lotus is awesome and it feels so bleedin quick as your backside is that close to the tarmac. The S was superb, a real adrenline rush but the R is cardiac arrest time....a real rough and ready racer...