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Model specific boards => Golf mk5 => Topic started by: p3eps on 02 February 2008, 14:36
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A couple of weeks ago I went out to the car in the morning to discover it was covered in frost. I was running a little late - so I just scraped the front and side windows before jumping in. From the time I stuck the face plate in my stereo and put on my seatbelt, a joiner man had nipped into the car park and randomly abandoned his van in the middle!
With no clear back window or mirrors (and it being pretty dark at 7.45am) I reversed into his van with a large *BUMP*!
I got out and looked at my bumper. It had a hole in it the size of a £2 coin in the bottom section, and the top section was all scuffed and knackered. I then looked at his van - which only had a cracked number plate. Whoops!
I hung around for the guy to come back out - and explained that I'd hit his van. He got down and studied his van - unfortunately he noticed that his bumper was cracked too.
After a quote for his Merc van, and a quote for my whole new bumper - I realised it was an insurance claim (luckily I have protected NCD) so on Monday I put my car into the bodyshop for repair.
I've been driving a courtesy 1.2 Corsa for the last week... and phoned yesterday to see if my car was ready. The guy explained they has a problem - but I could get my car today (Saturday).
Basically - they cant manage to locate an Edition 30 bottom half of the rear bumper! I have my car back just now with the top half fixed - but may have to wait up to a month for the bottom half. Apparently despite the Edition 30 still being a current model, there are a lack of bumpers. He said they there are 3 other people infront of me on the suppliers list - so obviously there are another 3 careless people waiting for a bumper!!!
So just a wee warning with all this naff weather at the moment.... clear all windows before setting off!!!!!!
Dont wreck your back bumper - as you may have to wait a while for a replacement!
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....Sorry to hear of your mishap but glad it'll all get fixed.
- The actual "bumper" body panel is common to all Mk5 Golfs - It's the part which wraps around the boot lid and carries the upper area of the number plate. It's called "Cover for bumper" # 1K6 807 417 GRU.
- The next part below is called the "Spoiler" by VW (not to be confused with a roof spoiler) # 1K6 807 433 C GRU (part # for the R32, *Ed30 looks the same but??).
- The lowest part is called the "Trim for tail pipe" being different for GTI, Ed30, R32 and others.
All three parts are available for sale separately and come primed ready for paint matching.
* I'd love to know the part # for the "spoiler" - Do you know it? (I have a separate thread on this forum as to why)
RR :smiley:
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I just remembered that last Friday (just gone) my VW dealer rang the network and found there are "currently hundreds of R32 spoiler parts in the UK" (his words).
The R32 part looks identical to the Ed30 except that I've seen some with reflector strips.
Any help to you?
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The top part is the bit that I have had fixed.
The part that goes round the exhaust was fine, so I assumed they would only need the middle section (spoiler).
Today the guy in the bodyshop told me that the spoiler and tail pipe trim were all one piece... and thats what I'm waiting for.
Sorry... I dont know any part numbers. I'm just leaving them to it!
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Today the guy in the bodyshop told me that the spoiler and tail pipe trim were all one piece... and thats what I'm waiting for.
....They are NOT all one piece for the R32 and standard GTI! I would speak to your VW dealer's Parts Manager and then question him again.
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Sorry Robin - but I'm sure they ARE in one piece for the GTi - as I fitted a GTi lower spoiler to new my diesel and colour coded it so that the lower part (delineated by a deep groove) remained black..
(http://images.fotopic.net/?iid=yqxhb6&outx=600&quality=70)
Part No: 1K6 807 433 B9 B9 (this particular model includes a cut-out for removable tow bar) :wink:
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Sorry Robin - but I'm sure they ARE in one piece for the GTi - as I fitted a GTi lower spoiler to new my diesel and colour coded it so that the lower part (delineated by a deep groove) remained black..
(http://images.fotopic.net/?iid=yqxhb6&outx=600&quality=70)
Part No: 1K6 807 433 B9 B9 (this particular model includes a cut-out for removable tow bar) :wink:
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The black part in your pic (Tail pipe trim) is most definitely separate for the normal Mk5 GTI and R32. I have the different part numbers.
The red part immediately above the black part is called the "spoiler" by VW and that is separate too. I even have an exploded illustration to prove it.
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When I had the bodyshop look at the car 2 weeks ago he said the tail pipe trim bit would be ok as I hadnt damaged it - and that they would re-use it.
When I saw him today, he said he was surprised to find out that the spoiler and tail pipe bit were 1 piece and that they wouldnt seperate.
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When I had the bodyshop look at the car 2 weeks ago he said the tail pipe trim bit would be ok as I hadnt damaged it - and that they would re-use it.
When I saw him today, he said he was surprised to find out that the spoiler and tail pipe bit were 1 piece and that they wouldnt seperate.
....Okay - Yours is an Ed30 and so your report confirms that as only one piece.
I still maintain that for the Mk5 'normal' GTI and Mk5 R32, the parts are quite separate. This is a pic of a GTI with R32 spoiler fitted and the tail pipe trim removed:-
(http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j146/robintegra/DSC04366.jpg)
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This looks like it could throw a curve ball on the Silver CF DTM section I am getting then?!? :undecided:
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A couple of weeks ago I went out to the car in the morning to discover it was covered in frost. I was running a little late - so I just scraped the front and side windows before jumping in. From the time I stuck the face plate in my stereo and put on my seatbelt, a joiner man had nipped into the car park and randomly abandoned his van in the middle!
With no clear back window or mirrors (and it being pretty dark at 7.45am) I reversed into his van with a large *BUMP*!
I got out and looked at my bumper. It had a hole in it the size of a £2 coin in the bottom section, and the top section was all scuffed and knackered. I then looked at his van - which only had a cracked number plate. Whoops!
I hung around for the guy to come back out - and explained that I'd hit his van. He got down and studied his van - unfortunately he noticed that his bumper was cracked too.
After a quote for his Merc van, and a quote for my whole new bumper - I realised it was an insurance claim (luckily I have protected NCD) so on Monday I put my car into the bodyshop for repair.
I've been driving a courtesy 1.2 Corsa for the last week... and phoned yesterday to see if my car was ready. The guy explained they has a problem - but I could get my car today (Saturday).
Basically - they cant manage to locate an Edition 30 bottom half of the rear bumper! I have my car back just now with the top half fixed - but may have to wait up to a month for the bottom half. Apparently despite the Edition 30 still being a current model, there are a lack of bumpers. He said they there are 3 other people infront of me on the suppliers list - so obviously there are another 3 careless people waiting for a bumper!!!
So just a wee warning with all this naff weather at the moment.... clear all windows before setting off!!!!!!
Dont wreck your back bumper - as you may have to wait a while for a replacement!
gotta laugh mate idid the same :grin:
iwas driving the works astra van and one morning i had to scrape off the ice
did that but the inside was misty, turned the blower on and set off no problem,
however when i turned east with the winter sun in my eyes the screen, still not demisted,
turned opaque, but i thought no problem i'll slow down, next thing i know BANG! :shocked: and come to a halt, i thought WTF
next thing i see is the side window shatter and staring at me is a f*ck off big yellow empty skip :shocked:
i thought b*ll*cks i managed to get the van home, about 400yds, and thought about how the f*ck am i gonna explain this :sad:
in the end i told the boss the van had been parked near the corner and a lorry must have hit it overnight :grin: :grin:
he swallowed it but said the lorry must have been doing some speed i must have heard it
i replied i'd had a few beers and didn't hear athing :grin:
repair bill was £3500 lol
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This looks like it could throw a curve ball on the Silver CF DTM section I am getting then?!? :undecided:
....Ah! I guess that means you would have to get a "Spoiler" part to go with the OSIR CF "Tail pipe trim". This info about whether the Ed30 rear valance is only one piece or not needs checking. I'll be calling my VW Parts Manager on Monady.
Meanwhile, talking of valances and wishing to cheer you up, here's Holly Valance:
(http://www.ipchick.com/randimg/Holly%20Valance%203.jpg)
....Whooops!
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I guess I'll have to talk to the guys at the TT shop as the rear valance/spoiler is definitely, absolutely, positively, 100% a one piece moulding. See the pic I've done below.
(http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t8/hurdy_album/ED30valancedetail.jpg)
I'm sure that there will be some way around it. If there isn't I'll have a little more to spend on something else instead :evil:
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....That's a really helpful pic, Hurdy :smiley:
So I think that in conclusion we can all safely state that the Ed30 holly valance is all one-piece but the GTI and R32 are two-piece. Do you prefer Holly Valance in a bikini or a one-piece swimsuit? :grin:
What you could do (according to fixings) is sell the whole of your Ed30 rear valance and buy a R32 "spoiler" to go with the OSIR CF (same as me). More expense though.
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....That's a really helpful pic, Hurdy :smiley:
So I think that in conclusion we can all safely state that the Ed30 holly valance is all one-piece but the GTI and R32 are two-piece. Do you prefer Holly Valance in a bikini or a one-piece swimsuit? :grin:
What you could do (according to fixings) is sell the whole of your Ed30 rear valance and buy a R32 "spoiler" to go with the OSIR CF (same as me). More expense though.
I do have another consideration to make and that is my rear camera is sited on the bottom of the "Holly"
I'm sure something interesting will come up :wink: Perhaps a re-siting of the camera into a new rear with the CF insert and perhaps a dual oval exit a bit like the dual round exit of the S3 :undecided:
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I do have another consideration to make and that is my rear camera is sited on the bottom of the "Holly"
I'm sure something interesting will come up :wink: Perhaps a re-siting of the camera into a new rear with the CF insert and perhaps a dual oval exit a bit like the dual round exit of the S3 :undecided:
(http://www.prisonb.com/photos/000/52/006.jpg)
Hmmm....All sounds quite sexy. :grin:
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:grin: :grin:
But it would be a shame to put a camera in her bottom :lipsrsealed:
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Thanks for clearing that up Hurdy...
So my options are:-
1. Wait for a month+ for an Ed30 spoiler
2. Fit an R32 spoiler with GTI valance
3. Find a subtle aftermarket solution (any suggestions)
The only problem being that as the bodyshop is already involved with the insuance company - I maybe cant change the scope of the repair?
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Talk to the bodyshop ASAP. If they haven't already ordered the replacement parts then you should be able to specify your own. The only thing you would have to do is arrange to pay the difference between the stock parts and the ones you want. Also if there is extra labour involved for the parts you want then you would have to pay that too. The bodyshop can just invoice the insurance for the stock work that would have been done. :cool:
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So my options are:-
1. Wait for a month+ for an Ed30 spoiler
2. Fit an R32 spoiler with GTI valance
3. Find a subtle aftermarket solution (any suggestions)
....Referring to your numbered options:
2 - I know that VW currently have UK stock of 100's of primed Mk5 R32 "Spoilers" # 1K6 807 433 C GRU (I'm about to order one). The only visual difference with the Ed30 is the recessed strip reflectors. The R32 spoiler will definitely fit the GTI and, I assume, the Ed30.
3 - If you fitted either a R32 or GTI spoiler, you could then fit an OSIR carbonfibre "Tail pipe trim". Black CF would look good and quite subtle with the Steel Grey in my opinion.
If I think of anything else I'll post.
HTH :smiley:
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3 - If you fitted either a R32 or GTI spoiler, you could then fit an OSIR carbonfibre "Tail pipe trim". Black CF would look good and quite subtle with the Steel Grey in my opinion.
This sounds like a vaiable option - but are the OSIR carbon parts not extremely expensive? Especially a part of that size?
I wouldnt want to go with a GTI spoiler as its not meant to be painted... but an R32 one is. I'm just worried about ruining the original look of the car, although I quite like the wee reflectors on the white car you posted above.
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....All carbonfibre is relatively expensive and the OSIR tailpipe trim is about £300 but the TTshop would be able to quote you as they are the sole European distributors - 01234 853 225.
None of this is a cheap option I'm afraid. But your insurance money input could reduce it. It depends how much you want something different and if the money is spare.
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I might try giving the bodyshop a ring tomorrow when they open and see what they say.
Do you have a pic of the carbon trim?
Heres my bumper the morning before I went to the bodyshop! Bearing in mind I'd been snowboarding the day before at Glenshee and the car park was like a mud pitt! I didnt see the point in washing it as they'd just do it anyway :embarassed:
(http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z92/p3eps/IMG_0079.jpg)
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Do you have a pic of the carbon trim?
....It's best you see the various pics on OSIR's web site - My pics are all for quad exhausts.
http://homepage.mac.com/risowu/OSIR/TT_HEADLIGHT_HOME.html (http://homepage.mac.com/risowu/OSIR/TT_HEADLIGHT_HOME.html)
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Scroll down and click on the rear bumper - you'll see the Gti rear valance, which as I suggested earlier is in fact, 'one piece' :laugh:
Gti bits on Ebay (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/VW-GOLF-MK5-GTI-FRONT-END-PARTS_W0QQitemZ250212242811QQihZ015QQcategoryZ9889QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)
So it's an R32 part you all need?
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RR....Does this mean that the CF lower valance is a stick on part with screws, so that it attaches on top of the one piece GTI/ED30 lower spoiler/valance?
If so, it may still fit the ED30 after all :undecided:
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RR....Does this mean that the CF lower valance is a stick on part with screws, so that it attaches on top of the one piece GTI/ED30 lower spoiler/valance?
If so, it may still fit the ED30 after all :undecided:
....I don't know for certain and I don't think Justin (at TTshop) is certain until he hears back from Riso (OSIR). From my own experience of OSIR CF parts it's probably a screw fix to locate but mainly special adhesive. Best you ask TTshop independently because I would hate to inadvertantly misinform you.
I don't know how far proud or not it would be if stuck on top of the existing lower part of the one-piece Ed30 valance.
The problem is that these are all new parts from OSIR and are new to TTshop too, and we are the first to be fitting them. I'm confident we'll collectively be able to answer our questions in the next few days.
I don't know why VW have changed the rear valance to one-piece for the Ed30 - They could have used the existing R32 spoiler (which looks the same as the Ed30 anyway) and simply had a different tail pipe trim for the Ed30 - Am I missing something? Cheaper on the VW production line perhaps? Definitely much more expensive for the customer (us) to replace - £355 primed. I'll be paying £450 for both my R32 spoiler plus CF tail pipe trim - Just £100 more total.
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Well I did say at the time I ordered that I had an ED30 and could they check that it would fit, so I'm sure that the TT shop (Dave) will be on the case.
Here's hoping that it does still fit, although it does rather seem to defeat the object of having carbon fibre parts fitted if they are in addition to parts already on the car (unless there is a performance benefit like downforce) :undecided:
I'd be in two minds whether or not to sell on the standard parts too, as I know they will only gather dust under the house :undecided:
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Whats the difference between the tail pipe section of the GTI rear bumper and the ED30 one?
Is it just the clip on bit that goes round the exhaust cut out?
I've been trying to find a decent pic earlier at work - but most pics are very difficult to see that part.
If you look at MerlinMans post above and click on the ebay link, it looks like the GTI bumper is also one piece.
I think the R32 'spoiler' bit looks the biz... and would be great with the CF tail pipe bit - but from what Hurdy says I may need a GTI tail pipe section to stick the CF one ontop of?
My next question would be about the small circle in the Ed30 tail pipe bit - which must come out to reveal the tow hook? If I put a CF part on what would happen there if I ever needed access?
I want to get my head clear as to what I can actually get and what I want before I phone the bodyshop. I'm paying out a £425 excess - so I might at least get something different out of it rather than paying for 10 seconds stupidity!!
I'd happily pay £100 extra if it l could get that instead!
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Whats the difference between the tail pipe section of the GTI rear bumper and the ED30 one?
Is it just the clip on bit that goes round the exhaust cut out?
I've been trying to find a decent pic earlier at work - but most pics are very difficult to see that part.
If you look at MerlinMans post above and click on the ebay link, it looks like the GTI bumper is also one piece.
I think the R32 'spoiler' bit looks the biz... and would be great with the CF tail pipe bit - but from what Hurdy says I may need a GTI tail pipe section to stick the CF one ontop of?
My next question would be about the small circle in the Ed30 tail pipe bit - which must come out to reveal the tow hook? If I put a CF part on what would happen there if I ever needed access?
I want to get my head clear as to what I can actually get and what I want before I phone the bodyshop. I'm paying out a £425 excess - so I might at least get something different out of it rather than paying for 10 seconds stupidity!!
I'd happily pay £100 extra if it l could get that instead!
If you ever need towing from the rear it is probably only going to be out of a gravel pit on a track day. Otherwise if you need it the car would have to have had some serious damage to the front end, in which case the rear is the least of your problems. :smiley:
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Whats the difference between the tail pipe section of the GTI rear bumper and the ED30 one?
Is it just the clip on bit that goes round the exhaust cut out?
If you look at MerlinMans post above and click on the ebay link, it looks like the GTI bumper is also one piece.
I think the R32 'spoiler' bit looks the biz... and would be great with the CF tail pipe bit - but from what Hurdy says I may need a GTI tail pipe section to stick the CF one ontop of?
My next question would be about the small circle in the Ed30 tail pipe bit - which must come out to reveal the tow hook? If I put a CF part on what would happen there if I ever needed access?
I want to get my head clear as to what I can actually get and what I want before I phone the bodyshop. I'm paying out a £425 excess - so I might at least get something different out of it rather than paying for 10 seconds stupidity!!
I'd happily pay £100 extra if it l could get that instead!
....Yes, you would lose the access to the rear tow hook if you fitted the CF tail pipe trim. I've discussed this exact question with the guy who is boss of a very busy accident repair centre affiliated to my VW dealer (who has done various bodywork mods on my car and who I very much trust). He advised that it was rare that it would be needed in accident recovery and there were other methods anyway, and so I shouldn't be worried at all about hiding it. He has nothing to gain by telling me this.
Re the standard GTI spoiler and tail pipe trim: - I think they are one piece but I didn't used to think so until this thread. I should know but I've never seen mine since it was removed! According to Hurdy the tail pipe trim on the Ed30 is only a few inches around the pipes themselves - His captioned pic explains it well (page 2 in this thread).
Re fitting any CF bits: - If you haven't done so already I would have a chat with either Justin or Dave at the TTshop 01234 853 225, unless Hurdy can report any further info.
I have now ordered the R32 spoiler and OSIR CF tail pipe trim as I know this all fits together without any problems and I think it will look the best on my car anyway.
I hope this helps.
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Re the standard GTI spoiler and tail pipe trim: - I think they are one piece but I didn't used to think so until this thread. I should know but I've never seen mine since it was removed!
If the GTI spoiler is all one part - then how did they fit your current CF piece? Have they cut the bottom off your bumper, or does it simply stick on top?
If the R32 spoiler fits with the CF quad exhaust piece, then surely it would fit with the dual exhaust?
Its just in the OSIR web page it says something about ahesive sealant - which makes it sound like its stuck on to the existing tail pipe trim.
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If the GTI spoiler is all one part - then how did they fit your current CF piece? Have they cut the bottom off your bumper, or does it simply stick on top?
If the R32 spoiler fits with the CF quad exhaust piece, then surely it would fit with the dual exhaust?
Its just in the OSIR web page it says something about ahesive sealant - which makes it sound like its stuck on to the existing tail pipe trim.
....I don't have a "current CF piece" on the rear of my GTI - Only up the front end currently.
You'll have to ask the TTshop about whether a CF dual piece will fit with the R32 spoiler but looking at the pic I posted earlier I reckon yes. Here is the pic again:
(http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j146/robintegra/DSC04366.jpg)
As I think I posted earlier, most of OSIR's CF parts are located with screws and anchored with adhesive, much like some VW parts.
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Did this Ed30 Bumper ordering issue get resolved? I've a feeling I'll be needing one :(
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Did this Ed30 Bumper ordering issue get resolved? I've a feeling I'll be needing one :(
The OSIR carbon fibre part doesn't fit the ED30 :sad: :cry:
I don't know how Redrobin is going on with his though. :undecided:
Only other option would be to get a standard GTI bumper and then you can have the OSIR DTM carbon fibre part :wink:
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....The OSIR carbonfibre quad exhaust trim will fit the Mk5 R32 'spoiler' and I'm collecting mine either next week or the week after. :cool: