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Model specific boards => Golf mk5 => Topic started by: Peskarik on 15 January 2008, 12:00
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To the point:
Oettinger small pack:
only software
305hp/400Nm
1150 euro
Oettinger big pack:
software
Ram Air intake
middle and end boxes (exhaust from cat)
bigger intercooler
330hp/430Nm
3350 euro (don't know if includes installation)
0-100kmh:
small: 6.2s
big: 5.9s
max speed:
small: 255kmh
big: 258kmh
in-gear performance:
no info but certainly more pronounced than diffs in 0-100 and in max
I wonder if the 25hp/30Nm are worth 2000+ euro difference in price (and maybe more if installation costs are not included)?
Do I really need a bigger intercooler? :undecided: Do I really need Ram Air? :undecided: Do I need another exhaust? :undecided:
I don't do track days, I do not compete from red lights, I do not do many autobahn runs at top speed (actually, I only did it once in France, 230kmh), I quite enjoy the sound from factory exhaust (even though more would be welcomed but 2000 euro?)
Any opinions/experience?
:undecided:
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It just sounds like you got the bug!!
I'm thinking reading all these posts about remaps and other mods is tempting you to not get left behind in the ED30 club.. When really you realise there is no need to do so.
On the other hand... spending a small amount of money on occasional mods isnt exactly going to leave you feeling guilty, but will add a nice smile to your face everytime you come across another Golf and realise you can give them a whole can of whooop a$$!!
So in a nutshell I guess what i am trying to say is... why go small?? when you can go BIG!! :evil:
Think FAST!!
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It just sounds like you got the bug!!
I'm thinking reading all these posts about remaps and other mods is tempting you to not get left behind in the ED30 club.. When really you realise there is no need to do so.
On the other hand... spending a small amount of money on occasional mods isnt exactly going to leave you feeling guilty, but will add a nice smile to your face everytime you come across another Golf and realise you can give them a whole can of whooop a$$!!
So in a nutshell I guess what i am trying to say is... why go small?? when you can go BIG!! :evil:
Think FAST!!
It is all the matter of dineros, amigo. :sad:
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Looked at B&B Automobiltechnik:
Bohrung/Hub (mm) 82,5 x 92,8 82,5 x 92,8 82,5 x 92,8 82,5 x 92,8 82,5 x 92,8
Hubraum ccm 1984 1984 1984 1984 1984
Leistung (kW/PS) 169 / 230 202 / 275 224 / 305 235 / 320 243 / 330
bei U/min 6.500 6.600 6.700 6.700 6.700
Drehmoment (Nm) 300 375 400 425 435
bei U/min 2.200 2.200 2.400 2.400 2.400
Fahrleistungen
0-100 km/h (s) 6,5 6,2 5,9 5,8 5,7
0-200 km/h (s) 26,2 24,6 20,5 19,9 19,7
Vmax (km/h) 245 250 253 255 256
Elastizität 5. Gang
60-120 km/h (s) 11,5 9,5 8,9 8,6 8,4
As seen here, the biggest improvement (0-100, 0-200, 60-120) is from 230 to 305 horsepower, then improvements are marginal.
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But a R32 with twin turbos,thats the way to go.
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hey, i rekon go SMALL, its not like me to say this but i would not spend and extra 2000euro on 25bhp, even when you will not feel much difference, id go with softwere remap and carbonio and build up from that, i.e d.v valve and miltek :tongue:
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I'm in a similar dilemma! At the moment, i don't see myself remapping the car cause 245bhp seems plentiful through the front wheels; i'm yet to be convinced about 300+ bhp (maybe i need the demo remap to see what the fuss is about!!). I'm thinking of upgrading on a small scale - i.e. intake, exhaust, suspension, dv, maybe brakes - then maybe a remap.
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Peskarik
My advice would be to see if you can get a demo remap. Do you have any other tuning companies out there apart from Oettinger?
If you can't get a demo remap then I'd go with the "basic" remap to start with. If the car feels fast enough with just the remap - you're sorted :cool:
I've found from experience that the figures you get quoted with the tuning companies regarding accelleration times and in-gear times are relatively high, compared to actual track and 1/4 mile times.
As you've probably seen on previous threads you can get under 5.7 seconds 0-60mph (96.8kph) and I have managed under 5.4 seconds 0-60 with a standing start from the side of the road in damp conditions after my remap at 285bhp :cool:.
Let us all know what you decide to do Peskarik :smiley:
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from my own experience, i would go for the remap only, then spend money on getting it to the tarmac ie quaife lsd. thats what iam doing anyway :cool:
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But a R32 with twin turbos,thats the way to go.
agreed
If I had the money, I'd get mark IV R32 and do turbo conversion (or, more likely, I'd wait for TTS and do another remap) :smiley:
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hey, i rekon go SMALL, its not like me to say this but i would not spend and extra 2000euro on 25bhp, even when you will not feel much difference, id go with softwere remap and carbonio and build up from that, i.e d.v valve and miltek :tongue:
good suggestion. That's what another forumite Wolfbane (the guy with CANDY WHITE E30 with 340hp) told me to do. I think that is what I will do, but instead of spending another 350euro on carbonio I put K&N sport airfilter in original airbox. Don't think the difference to carbonio is worth 350euro.
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There is more to an uprated air filter, intercooler and exhaust than just another 25bhp for 2,500 Euros.
There would not be a huge amount between a 300bhp car and a 330bhp car performance wise, but the 300bhp will not breath as well, sound as good or reduce inlet temperatures enough to stop higher levels of heat soak (power loss). The 330bhp would be faster though if you were that worried about it.
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Peskarik
My advice would be to see if you can get a demo remap. Do you have any other tuning companies out there apart from Oettinger?
If you can't get a demo remap then I'd go with the "basic" remap to start with. If the car feels fast enough with just the remap - you're sorted :cool:
I've found from experience that the figures you get quoted with the tuning companies regarding accelleration times and in-gear times are relatively high, compared to actual track and 1/4 mile times.
As you've probably seen on previous threads you can get under 5.7 seconds 0-60mph (96.8kph) and I have managed under 5.4 seconds 0-60 with a standing start from the side of the road in damp conditions after my remap at 285bhp :cool:.
Let us all know what you decide to do Peskarik :smiley:
yes, I had an offer from Sportec (275hp/380Nm), and there is ABT, and MTM, and Digitec, and others (no REVO though, and B&B is 540 km from me) ... but my mind is set on Oettinger as they have 50 years experience with VW.
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There is more to an uprated air filter, intercooler and exhaust than just another 25bhp for 2,500 Euros.
There would not be a huge amount between a 300bhp car and a 330bhp car performance wise, but the 300bhp will not breath as well, sound as good or reduce inlet temperatures enough to stop higher levels of heat soak (power loss). The 330bhp would be faster though if you were that worried about it.
Of course, I know all that.
No, I am not worried about performance so much as about engine longevity (lower temps).
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But a R32 with twin turbos,thats the way to go.
agreed
If I had the money, I'd get mark IV R32 and do turbo conversion (or, more likely, I'd wait for TTS and do another remap) :smiley:
I think thats what i am planning next... but maybe with an earlier R32 MkV. Only problem is that I am a sucker for new car smell!! :shocked:
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Well I have ordered the Turbo back resonated Milltek which should take the car to 260/265 bhp! I think that is more than enough power to put thru the front wheels! I drove my mates Cupra Type R today running 265bhp with a REVO remap and in the wet it just spun thru all the gears and was near impossible to get the power down! It has put me off a remap as I don't want to spoil the driveability of the Edition 30!
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Well I have ordered the Turbo back resonated Milltek which should take the car to 260/265 bhp! I think that is more than enough power to put thru the front wheels! I drove my mates Cupra Type R today running 265bhp with a REVO remap and in the wet it just spun thru all the gears and was near impossible to get the power down! It has put me off a remap as I don't want to spoil the driveability of the Edition 30!
I usually drive like a grandma, seldom going above 4000 revs (first of all I drive in the city, secondly, E30's torque curve allows for low revs), and accelerating very smoothly. But sometimes I :evil:
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Go for the big you know you want to. I was thinking about going down the oettinger route for my ED30 instead of APR, I have heard many good things about their upgrades for the ED30, I think I will have to go for the intercooler, exhaust etc. because if I just get a remap I will just want more :evil:
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oettinger and APR are one and the same company, so the maps etc are more than likely the same thing