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Title: Just had revo, love it, but car feels gutless after 5k rpm
Post by: Kiddfrost on 05 August 2007, 23:25
Hi,
GTi's done 1800 miles and just had revo. Awesome transformation of the car but power tails off very rapidly after 5k rpm. You can really feel it when trying to max out in 3rd gear. I thought peak power was at around 6200 rpm so I don't quite understand it :huh: Could it be the stock intake & exhaust struggling to keep up at those rpm.
Has anyone else had this or is this just normal?
Title: Re: Just had revo, love it, but car feels gutless after 5k rpm
Post by: firemonkey on 05 August 2007, 23:54
HI, would like to get mine done. Had my last car revo chiped Audi S3 but there was lots of lag is there any in yours?
Title: Re: Just had revo, love it, but car feels gutless after 5k rpm
Post by: jonathonturner on 06 August 2007, 10:52
do the apr one instead...no lag, plenty of poke right through..am very impressed with it...
Title: Re: Just had revo, love it, but car feels gutless after 5k rpm
Post by: Merlinman on 06 August 2007, 14:09
Three things:

I've heard nothing but good reports on Revo - and frankly you'd be wasting your money if you went for another company's remap at this stage?
Title: Re: Just had revo, love it, but car feels gutless after 5k rpm
Post by: Kiddfrost on 06 August 2007, 14:29
HI, would like to get mine done. Had my last car revo chiped Audi S3 but there was lots of lag is there any in yours?
Throttle response is much better and as far as I can tell no real turbo lag. The power between 2.3krpm and 4.5-5k rpm feels phenominal compared to stock.

Three things:
  • 1800 miles is very early to be getting the best out of your engine
  • Take the car back to whoever remapped it and explain
  • Speak to Revo - they're very helpful

I've heard nothing but good reports on Revo - and frankly you'd be wasting your money if you went for another company's remap at this stage?

Was just writing when your reply came up. I spoke to revo and at they said give it a week to adapt. Also we had a very hot weekend so the ecu may be throttling back. They said to take it back to the agent if I'm still not happy after a week as they can make some changes to the boost and timing.
I did a lot of research before choosing Revo and I will certainly take your advise in sticking with them, they do seem helpful.
Title: Re: Just had revo, love it, but car feels gutless after 5k rpm
Post by: RobGTI on 10 August 2007, 18:02
HI, would like to get mine done. Had my last car revo chiped Audi S3 but there was lots of lag is there any in yours?
Throttle response is much better and as far as I can tell no real turbo lag. The power between 2.3krpm and 4.5-5k rpm feels phenominal compared to stock.

Three things:
  • 1800 miles is very early to be getting the best out of your engine
  • Take the car back to whoever remapped it and explain
  • Speak to Revo - they're very helpful

I've heard nothing but good reports on Revo - and frankly you'd be wasting your money if you went for another company's remap at this stage?

Was just writing when your reply came up. I spoke to revo and at they said give it a week to adapt. Also we had a very hot weekend so the ecu may be throttling back. They said to take it back to the agent if I'm still not happy after a week as they can make some changes to the boost and timing.
I did a lot of research before choosing Revo and I will certainly take your advise in sticking with them, they do seem helpful.


Has your map improved or been resolved I'm looking to get the same map for my Leon FR (with the same engine as yours) but don't want the top end to suffer as a result?
Title: Re: Just had revo, love it, but car feels gutless after 5k rpm
Post by: Kiddfrost on 13 August 2007, 14:07

Has your map improved or been resolved I'm looking to get the same map for my Leon FR (with the same engine as yours) but don't want the top end to suffer as a result?

It does seem a littlle better but to make sure I'll be going to Revo's office. They will do some data logging/test runs to find out if all is ok.
Title: Re: Just had revo, love it, but car feels gutless after 5k rpm
Post by: Phil mcavity on 13 August 2007, 15:16
have just booked my in with kjm engineering in Portsmouth (revo) for wednesday 9.30am, let let u know what difference ive found.
Title: Re: Just had revo, love it, but car feels gutless after 5k rpm
Post by: RedRobin on 17 August 2007, 17:13
have just booked my in with kjm engineering in Portsmouth (revo) for wednesday 9.30am, let let u know what difference ive found.

....I had my Revo Stage1 done by Jim at JKM Portsmouth - They're top people and Revo speak very highly of them too.

I find that since my remap I rarely rev much above 5,500 and can use the gears (DSG paddles) to achieve acceleration as needed. I do have other mods though which doubtless contribute. I've just covered about 3,000 miles of autobahns and alps while fully loaded with 2 passengers and luggage and have no complaints.

I'm looking forward to your posted comments, Phil :smiley:
Title: Re: Just had revo, love it, but car feels gutless after 5k rpm
Post by: Kiddfrost on 17 August 2007, 18:32
Went to the Revo UK today and took a drive with the guy and his laptop. After a little investigation he found the car had not been setup correctly from the Revo dealer. Boost, timing and fuel were all out. One setting was way of the mark and the ECU was heavily pulling back. After doing some data-logging and tinkering the car is much better. Now it doesn't feel gutless after 5k as it did before and is how it should be :smiley: :smiley: :smiley:. There is more power to be had as the values have been set reasonably conservatively.
As I have VAGCOM on the way I also bought a Select+ switch so I can change the settings above and more. With the pair I can do some data-logging :nerd: and try to squeeze more out of it.

have just booked my in with kjm engineering in Portsmouth (revo) for wednesday 9.30am, let let u know what difference ive found.
I'm looking forward to your posted comments, Phil :smiley:
Me as well :smiley:
Title: Re: Just had revo, love it, but car feels gutless after 5k rpm
Post by: Phil mcavity on 17 August 2007, 20:35
ive had to delay my trip due to Wife not being too happy with what she found out about insurance company have said and also with immenant baby arrival, ive had to shelve the idea, but i will persist and get my way soon.Agree though when i spoke to kjm portsmouth, they were excellent over  the phone, and cant wait to have it done. My insurance is due for renewel end of nxt month , so will look into going to new insurance company and enquiry again then.
Title: Re: Just had revo, love it, but car feels gutless after 5k rpm
Post by: duzza on 20 August 2007, 13:53
Has anyone tried the 5 hours Revo trial for their ed30? Has anyone bought the 'Select' with their remap? Thinking thuis is the way to go over Superchips and want to know if it allows you to roll it back to stabdard in stealth like the bluefin??
Title: Re: Just had revo, love it, but car feels gutless after 5k rpm
Post by: Russ.C on 20 August 2007, 16:23
i see awesome are now offering a APR remap for the ed30...

http://www.awesome-gti.co.uk/index.html
Title: Re: Just had revo, love it, but car feels gutless after 5k rpm
Post by: Hurdy on 20 August 2007, 21:31
i see awesome are now offering a APR remap for the ed30...

http://www.awesome-gti.co.uk/index.html

I spoke to them at Inters and they only had the manual remap :cry:
Title: Re: Just had revo, love it, but car feels gutless after 5k rpm
Post by: Russ.C on 20 August 2007, 21:57
is that to do with limiting the torque for the DSG?
Title: Re: Just had revo, love it, but car feels gutless after 5k rpm
Post by: Hurdy on 20 August 2007, 23:11
is that to do with limiting the torque for the DSG?

Yup :cry:
Title: Re: Just had revo, love it, but car feels gutless after 5k rpm
Post by: Russ.C on 21 August 2007, 10:50
One up for the manual... :wink:
Title: Re: Just had revo, love it, but car feels gutless after 5k rpm
Post by: revomike on 06 September 2007, 09:24
hey guys

We do one for the both DSG and speed for the e30's both seeing up to 310+ hp......

Have a look on www.phat-dubs.com and edition 38 under mk5's for a full right up..

Or e mail me for more info.

Thanks

Mike.Hodder@revotechnik.com
Title: Re: Just had revo, love it, but car feels gutless after 5k rpm
Post by: joesgti on 06 September 2007, 12:08
just ahd mine done by celtic tuning, pulls all the way up to red in every gear and is a hell of alot smoother, dont dare look at the sepedo coz ill have to take my eyes off the road :grin:

i did have to run it in for around 100miles and all the time you could feel it getting faster. so maybe revo require longer running in period?

also my repmap only cost 350quid and the guy came to my work with his computer!! haha

Title: Re: Just had revo, love it, but car feels gutless after 5k rpm
Post by: Rhyso on 06 September 2007, 12:11
i did have to run it in for around 100miles and all the time you could feel it getting faster. so maybe revo require longer running in period?


think it does require a good couple of hundred of miles to get used to your driving style and also the type of petrol you have in the tank
Title: Re: Just had revo, love it, but car feels gutless after 5k rpm
Post by: AlanD on 06 September 2007, 12:22
just ahd mine done by celtic tuning, pulls all the way up to red in every gear and is a hell of alot smoother, dont dare look at the sepedo coz ill have to take my eyes off the road :grin:

i did have to run it in for around 100miles and all the time you could feel it getting faster. so maybe revo require longer running in period?

also my repmap only cost 350quid and the guy came to my work with his computer!! haha



That sounds fantastic !
Title: Re: Just had revo, love it, but car feels gutless after 5k rpm
Post by: RedRobin on 06 September 2007, 13:32
also my repmap only cost 350quid and the guy came to my work with his computer!! haha

....Much better to use a rolling road, then take the car out on the road with a laptop, and then rolling road it again a couple of weeks later when the remap has had a chance to settle. A guy turning up somewhere with a laptop doesn't inspire my confidence. Superchips used to do that and IIRC there were problems.
Title: Re: Just had revo, love it, but car feels gutless after 5k rpm
Post by: Kiddfrost on 06 September 2007, 15:34
also my repmap only cost 350quid and the guy came to my work with his computer!! haha

 A guy turning up somewhere with a laptop doesn't inspire my confidence.

I agree. I had emission and pinking problems on my previous car when a man with lappy came to remap.

I also looked at Celtic Tuning and nearly got sucked in by the 265bhp/£350. I asked if he had a dyno, he said yes but its in Ireland. I also asked for a torque/BHP graph for his remap. After a couple of reminders he did email me one. It was exactly the same graph that is on the Milltek website showing the curves for a GTI with a full Milltek :huh:
If the map is written over by VW after a service etc.. he charges £50 for a reflash. If that doesnt work and he needs to send the file away, it's £120 for the reflash.
After doing much research, in my opinion Revo seemed best. It was £240 more, but to me it was worth paying the extra. They have good tech support and the reflashes are free.
Title: Re: Just had revo, love it, but car feels gutless after 5k rpm
Post by: RedRobin on 06 September 2007, 15:49
The other thing which a good tuner (like Revo) will do is check out how your engine is before installing the remap. Revo's software takes the latest VW updates into account because they recieve them soon after the dealer does. Very much worth the extra dosh in my opinion and cost still on a par with other good tuning companies.

Sorry, but I'm just sharing my opinions :cool:
Title: Re: Just had revo, love it, but car feels gutless after 5k rpm
Post by: Teutonic_Tamer on 07 September 2007, 09:17
A guy turning up somewhere with a laptop doesn't inspire my confidence. Superchips used to do that and IIRC there were problems.

Yup, agreed.

Like all these "custom" laptop remaps, when something on your car goes bang, they will simply deny all liability.  They will probabaly state "we've done many other custom GTI remaps, and not had a problem, so it must be your driving style".  :smug:

Not worth the risk at all, IMHO.
Title: Re: Just had revo, love it, but car feels gutless after 5k rpm
Post by: RedRobin on 07 September 2007, 09:25
....Aftersales service is all important. I'm happy in the confidence and knowledge that both my Revo agent JKM and Revo themselves will give me continued support :smiley: :smiley:
Title: Re: Just had revo, love it, but car feels gutless after 5k rpm
Post by: Teutonic_Tamer on 07 September 2007, 10:17
....Aftersales service is all important.

Yup, agreed.  If I were to add anything to that statement, I would say that robust aftersales is absolutely vital, particularly when you are dealing with aftermarket modifications, which may have an effect on the manufacturers warranty!

I'm happy in the confidence and knowledge that both my Revo agent JKM and Revo themselves will give me continued support :smiley: :smiley:

I'ts refreshing to find that there are still companies who know the value of good 'ole fashioned customer service.  :smiley: