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Model specific boards => Golf mk5 => Topic started by: SteveS on 19 July 2007, 14:37
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as title says, what other cars have the SAME engine as the one in the e30?
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Audi S3 ( :sick:)
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why puke?
is it not in a seat either?
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Yeah the new Cupra ain't it? I like your sig picture by the way steve!
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ok so its the S3 and new leon or ibiza cupra??
thanks russ :) quickly done :p
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its in the new leon cupra too
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Audi S3
Seat Leon Cupra
any others?
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Maybe its just the three. When I've looked at various engine components, like the forge dv for example, they list only Edition 30, Cupra & S3 next to the bits specifically made for this modified 2.0 FSI engine. See bottom of this link http://www.forgemotorsport.co.uk/content.asp?inc=product&cat=1703DV&product=FMFSITV
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nice one russ
the normal gti has a complete diff engine dosnt it?
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no base engine is the same steve, just different turbo, incoolers, and ecu mapping bla bla, same main internals
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I believe internals are different......
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i'm not totally sure steve to be honest, my impressions were as phil said.
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I'm sure it has been discussed on here about them being uprated? I may be wrong...
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Ed30 and S3 has different con-rods,pistons,turbo and cylinder head, there maybe more differences but can't quite remember, but base engine is the same as GTi
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That's the stuf I heard, so if that is the case, it's not the same base engine, just the block!
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Found this...
The power plant of the S3 delivers all that is expected of a powerful sports engine, and does it supremely well. The 2.0 TFSI, which combines direct injection and turbocharger technology, delivers 265PS at 6,000 rpm. And at just 2,500 rpm it already musters up an impressive 350 Nm of torque – this pulling power remains constant up to 5,000 rpm. In the combined driving cycle the 2.0 TFSI displays another welcome character trait, its FSI direct petrol injection technology contributing to an impressive combined economy figure of 31.0mpg.
Compared with the A3, this engine is an advanced version which has undergone fundamental changes. The new turbocharger with its enlarged turbine and compressor rotor generates 1.2 bar of boost pressure – an unusually high figure. A modified intercooler significantly lowers the temperature of the compressed air, thus increasing the air mass necessary for combustion.
Pistons with stronger pins and strengthened connecting rods with new bearings transmit the powerful forces to the crankshaft. The cylinder block has been stiffened up and the head is made of a new, highly heat-resistant alloy.
The exhaust camshaft timing has been adjusted to accommodate the increased power output. High-pressure injectors with an enlarged cross-section squirt the fuel straight into the combustion chamber.
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That's the stuf I heard, so if that is the case, it's not the same base engine, just the block!
crankshaft, ancillaries, and as far as I know gearbox
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why puke?
is it not in a seat either?
Sorry but I think the S3s look :sick: and from what I have read, they may be fast but quite bland to drive, but then again I suppose that matches their looks. No offence intended to Audi dirvers. :rolleyes:
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as title says, what other cars have the SAME engine as the one in the e30?
Audi S3
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ED30, seat leon cupra, S3, Audi TT DEC07 onwards have the same engine bar the intercooler, only the S3 has the greater mass cooler, the engines are very different to the standard GTI engine, i wont bore you but even the con rods are strenghened, the geometry of the steering is also enhanced, its lowered 15mm and has a better but firmer suspension set up. the ED30 is easilly capable of 400bhp without any internal work needed, a GT28 71R could be bolted on and boost turned custom style high with no problem, my guess is 360bhp will be available with the standard turbo when a good quality 3" turbo downpipe and 100 cell sportcat are available and a good CAIS, and revo probobly pushing up the boost a little more.
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ED30, seat leon cupra, S3, Audi TT DEC07 onwards have the same engine bar the intercooler, only the S3 has the greater mass cooler, the engines are very different to the standard GTI engine, i wont bore you but even the con rods are strenghened, the geometry of the steering is also enhanced, its lowered 15mm and has a better but firmer suspension set up. the ED30 is easilly capable of 400bhp without any internal work needed, a GT28 71R could be bolted on and boost turned custom style high with no problem, my guess is 360bhp will be available with the standard turbo when a good quality 3" turbo downpipe and 100 cell sportcat are available and a good CAIS, and revo probobly pushing up the boost a little more.
These alleged changes have been thrashed around on this forum for a while now but nobody has any real substance to their claims. Where have you got your info from regarding engine, suspension and steering modifications to the Edition 30?
Please explain in a little more detail Stan.
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i had a S3 on order for 8 weeks when the delivery date was changed for the 3rd time i cancelled, Dino a friend of mine and a salesman for lookers VW told me about the edition 30 and the fact that the S3 engine would be used and only 1500 would be made, i googled vw engine parts etc, euro parts, only the intercooler has a different number. im not saying the Ed30 is better but it has many changes engine wise and steering and suspension.
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Isn't the steering and suspension left as standard on the Edition 30?
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Isn't the steering and suspension left as standard on the Edition 30?
ARB's are supposedly beefed up (larger diameter)
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Isn't the steering and suspension left as standard on the Edition 30?
ARB's are supposedly beefed up (larger diameter)
OK :smiley:
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Isn't the steering and suspension left as standard on the Edition 30?
ARB's are supposedly beefed up (larger diameter)
they are
and the downpipe is 4mm wider.
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Isn't the steering and suspension left as standard on the Edition 30?
ARB's are supposedly beefed up (larger diameter)
they are
and the downpipe is 4mm wider.
A whole 4mm :shocked:
That makes all the difference :wink:
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thats about | | 4mm!! . yes that makes all the difference :laugh:. Hopefully youve not personally messured it Peskarik :shocked:
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thats about | | 4mm!! . yes that makes all the difference :laugh:. Hopefully youve not personally messured it Peskarik :shocked:
personally measured them GTI and Ed30 downpipes back-to-back. Used my own very precise tool (=my little roger), it did not fit in GTI downpipe, but with Ed30 it was ok :cool: :smug:
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thats about | | 4mm!! . yes that makes all the difference :laugh:. Hopefully youve not personally messured it Peskarik :shocked:
personally measured them GTI and Ed30 downpipes back-to-back. Used my own very precise tool (=my little roger), it did not fit in GTI downpipe, but with Ed30 it was ok :cool: :smug:
Like it :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin:
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Isn't the steering and suspension left as standard on the Edition 30?
ARB's are supposedly beefed up (larger diameter)
Where did you read that Hurdy?
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Over on UKMKIV's forum :embarassed:. Someone was wanting to upgrade his ED30 and arbitrarily found out that the diameters are different.
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ED30, seat leon cupra, S3, Audi TT DEC07 onwards have the same engine bar the intercooler, only the S3 has the greater mass cooler, the engines are very different to the standard GTI engine, i wont bore you but even the con rods are strenghened,
These alleged changes have been thrashed around on this forum for a while now but nobody has any real substance to their claims. Where have you got your info from regarding engine, suspension and steering modifications to the Edition 30?
Please explain in a little more detail Stan.
About the engine,
I did this before the ed30 even came out, I even wrote into a few VW specialist mags to correct them, and posted on most the forums out there. I went to the lengths of going through and getting the part numbers of the engine internals and posting them on a couple of different forum at least to show they were different and what is shared between the 3 models (there not exactly the same) and the standard GTI motor and what is not.
SEAT has even stated in there press release of the cupra when it first came out whats different.
Infact i got so sick of having to proove it all the time i gave up even bothering in the end.
As for the suspension & steering i never checked if it was different or not.
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