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Title: G60 - ABS.. MOT failure, mechanic can't diagnose problem, any tips??
Post by: Charged on 04 July 2007, 16:29
Hi, jus had my Rallye in for MOT and it failed on two things, cracked window which i've replaced, and ABS light is constantly on.

The ABS light wasn't actually connected until it went in for MOT so that's why it never came on before.. I've got the car in the garage now and the mechanic said he can't find the diagnostic port for the ABS or something like that, so is havin a hard job sorting it. Any tips from G60 or Rallye owners pls...
Title: Re: G60 - ABS.. MOT failure, mechanic can't diagnose problem, any tips??
Post by: ...joe on 04 July 2007, 17:49
jv had this happen then his ABS packed up. turned out to be the fuse? sounds daft but have you checked it? we were head scratching for a while before it was found!
Title: Re: G60 - ABS.. MOT failure, mechanic can't diagnose problem, any tips??
Post by: Biz on 04 July 2007, 18:05
Its a bit naughty but take the bulb out if everything else is OK with the brakes (don't sue me if you crash though!)
Title: Re: G60 - ABS.. MOT failure, mechanic can't diagnose problem, any tips??
Post by: Charged on 04 July 2007, 18:14
...joe, I'll ask him if he's checked the fuse, i'm guessing he has though. It seems no-where can help him though, been to a few different garages he knows and none of them know how to run a diagnostic on her!  :sad:

Biz, Before it went into MOT this week the actual ABS light was already disconnected, but to pass the MOT it has to be working properly. The brakes work fine it's just the regulations at the MOT centre say everythin needs to work...  Might just remove the whole ABS system as it weighs a ton anyway! lol  :grin:
Title: Re: G60 - ABS.. MOT failure, mechanic can't diagnose problem, any tips??
Post by: yorkie on 04 July 2007, 18:52
If I remember rightly when I "fixed" JV's car the light wasn't on.

Worth checking the fuse though but it sounds like someone had disconnected the light due to an ongoing problem.

Check the plug is properly pushed into the ABS control unit in the boot, check you haven't got a broken wire to the sender in the filler cap of the brake fluid resevoir as they can chafe on other cables (speedo cable is very close). Also check that the plug in the cap is fully home and the connections are clean.

Probably too obvious but the light will come on if the fluid level (check with engine running) is too low too.

I honestly can't remember exactly but I'm pretty sure there is a relay on the board, check it is ok and pushed fully home if there is.

Unplug the little Orange plugs from the wheel sensors and check the connections are clean, remove the wheels and clean the sensors and the slotted metal disks which they use to sense wheel speed with a soft brush.

Check the earth connections to the ABS pump and that all the plugs are pushed home with no broken wires.

Still no luck could be a wheel senser or faulty control unit.

Does the ABS actually work?
Title: Re: G60 - ABS.. MOT failure, mechanic can't diagnose problem, any tips??
Post by: yorkie on 04 July 2007, 18:56
Oh and it could be the senser in the fluid filler cap, they are about a 100 quid so you might want to find a helpful Rallye owner who will let you swap caps to see if that cures the problem.
Title: Re: G60 - ABS.. MOT failure, mechanic can't diagnose problem, any tips??
Post by: ...joe on 04 July 2007, 22:00
^^^ yeah sorry wasn't trying to take credit for you doing that! his light was on constantly when we drove it before it packed up.
Title: Re: G60 - ABS.. MOT failure, mechanic can't diagnose problem, any tips??
Post by: Riki on 05 July 2007, 21:03
The diagnostic port sits under the gear lever surround. If the light is on as soon as you switch the ignition on and stays on it sounds more like the pump or relay rather than a sensor.

Riki
Title: Re: G60 - ABS.. MOT failure, mechanic can't diagnose problem, any tips??
Post by: tom26 on 06 July 2007, 14:13
i'd check the flux capicitor if i were you.
Title: Re: G60 - ABS.. MOT failure, mechanic can't diagnose problem, any tips??
Post by: [han] on 06 July 2007, 18:14
Its a bit naughty but take the bulb out if everything else is OK with the brakes (don't sue me if you crash though!)

you can't remove a bulb. If there is ABS fitted to a car the light MUST follow a certain light sequence. if this sequence is oncorrect e.g. light does not come on, or does not go out at correct time then that is a fail!

hope you get it sorted! hopefully it wont be expensive!!
Title: Re: G60 - ABS.. MOT failure, mechanic can't diagnose problem, any tips??
Post by: Organisys on 06 July 2007, 18:17
Me G60 has ABS. It does not work.  :lipsrsealed: light does not come on, car PASSED MOT  :cool:

Title: Re: G60 - ABS.. MOT failure, mechanic can't diagnose problem, any tips??
Post by: [han] on 06 July 2007, 18:19
nice mot man then!  :wink:
Title: Re: G60 - ABS.. MOT failure, mechanic can't diagnose problem, any tips??
Post by: Organisys on 06 July 2007, 18:21
Maybe, although I never met the guy, could be he didn't realise the car should have ABS.
Title: Re: G60 - ABS.. MOT failure, mechanic can't diagnose problem, any tips??
Post by: Agreeable Slick on 06 July 2007, 18:24
ABS is a bastard to test in older cars anyhow, my audi has abs, and 2 of 4 sensors are knackered, however the light comes on, on the dash and then goes out. Bonus, and they don't test it at MOT time, as long as it brakes sufficiently then that's fine.
Title: Re: G60 - ABS.. MOT failure, mechanic can't diagnose problem, any tips??
Post by: Organisys on 06 July 2007, 18:25
Exactly, and those sensors are $ $ $
 :smiley:
Title: Re: G60 - ABS.. MOT failure, mechanic can't diagnose problem, any tips??
Post by: Thom89 on 06 July 2007, 20:20
Once all the above checks have been done, and still no joy, try disconnecting the battery LIVE first, then reconnect EARTH first... you never know!
i'd check the flux capicitor if i were you.
Really Tom, Its blatently obvious this is no "Flux Capacitor" problem! what were you thinking!
Tom
Title: Re: G60 - ABS.. MOT failure, mechanic can't diagnose problem, any tips??
Post by: rubjonny on 09 July 2007, 13:08
what about simply removing the handbrake light switch panel and replace it for one sans-abs light, if it doesn't have a light at all, how would MOT man know it has abs ;)
Title: Re: G60 - ABS.. MOT failure, mechanic can't diagnose problem, any tips??
Post by: Charged on 10 July 2007, 15:54
WAHEY!!!! She passed, after a week of tracing wires and making sure everything is connected properly, and renewing a few little bits and bobs the ABS is sorted!  :smiley:



Now i've gone and done something that some of you may find stupid, but i've stuck a slam panel out of a normal mk2 and stuck an early 7 bar single light grill on my Rallye. Dunno if anyone ever done this before because i aint seen any pics of a Rallye with round lights, and i only done it because the Rallye lights failed because my projectors were "frosted" over givin no pattern for the MOT. I quite like the look of her now though and am gonna stick like this for a bit, or see how she looks with a badgeless single lighter anyhow. I'll take a pic of her later and stick it up..  :wink:


Oh yeah, big thanks to everyone for all your info tho  :smiley:
Title: Re: G60 - ABS.. MOT failure, mechanic can't diagnose problem, any tips??
Post by: Agreeable Slick on 10 July 2007, 15:57
if you want to sell the rallye front  :wink:
Title: Re: G60 - ABS.. MOT failure, mechanic can't diagnose problem, any tips??
Post by: rubjonny on 10 July 2007, 16:00
any idea what it was in the end?
Title: Re: G60 - ABS.. MOT failure, mechanic can't diagnose problem, any tips??
Post by: Charged on 10 July 2007, 18:30
Jus got a couple of pics of her outside my mates record shop, know she looks untidy but she's halfway through a bit of a face lift..  :wink:  Got some smoked crystals to try out on her too, the hella's that are on her now look far too white.

(http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b348/Dj_Aybee/rallye002.jpg)
(http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b348/Dj_Aybee/rallye003.jpg)

Slick#13, i'm just trying something out with the round-light front end, gonna go back with the Rallye front soon. Although I have just won a complete Rallye slam-panel, lights and grill on ebay for a good price, I wanted the new Rallye lights that came with it, just aint been delivered yet. I'll let you know if I decide to sell one on, if I don't decide to stick it on my other golf that is..  :wink:

rubjonny, i'm not 100% sure what it was in the end but there is one problem, the light comes on after 30km and stays on, luckily this wasn't spotted by the garage as they don't drive around their yard at 30km  :grin:  Gonna finally get it working properly this week and let you know exactly what caused it (I hope)
Title: Re: G60 - ABS.. MOT failure, mechanic can't diagnose problem, any tips??
Post by: gibby on 11 July 2007, 14:01
Over the last couple of weeks my Rallye ABS light has started to come on sometimes. I've no idea what is causing it, but it comes on quite a bit when I turn sharply right, sometimes when I go over small bumps, sometimes when I accelerate and sometimes it goes out and sometimes it doesn't. Arghh!

I even checked it the other day to see if the ABS actually worked as in I slammed the anchors on when the light was on and yup I skidded and I slammed them on again when the light was off and it didn't skid, so it does work ok. I'm thinking a dodgy wire or sensor somewhere and possibly the drivers side sensor as the light doesn't seem to come on as much when I turn left.

VW_nutter, please make your sig smaller as it's mahoooooooosive !
Title: Re: G60 - ABS.. MOT failure, mechanic can't diagnose problem, any tips??
Post by: tom26 on 16 July 2007, 15:37
the flux capacitor needs to be putting out about 1.21 gigawatts...