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Model specific boards => Golf mk2 => Topic started by: mf44 on 29 May 2007, 21:48
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Hello there I was just wondering if anyone knows of a cheap way to get my tornado pink 16v paint back to it's former glory. I've just spent nearly a week of evenings t-cutting it and can see it starting to fade already :sad: :angry: I've heard people talk about getting their faded cars 'mopped' but no idea what this is. I dont mind spending a little bit on it but there is no way i can afford a respray.
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I would like to know this aswell, what with Bristol Volksfest coming up, and a very pink golf :cry:
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yeah mine is pretty pink also ... kinda white in some places haha :rolleyes:
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Well mine has been sat in open air stood for a year now. It hasn't gone pink, I used Meguiers scratch x to remove any oxidation, then megs 3 step deep crystal polish (paint cleaner, polish then carnuba wax) then some autoglym sealant then harley carnuba proper wax. (or megs NXT)
This has left it gleaming like new without any further intervention, its well and truly protected. Not cheap for all this stuff but halfords has an offer (3 for 2) on this stuff at the moment, will cost you about £40 for the lot.
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whats autoglym sealent all aobut? what is sealent on paintwork in general, ive never known
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sounds like hard work to me.
brush on some red hammerite? :cool:
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Mine is now virtually pink all over with lots of white patches ! The t-cut has brought it back to life but there's no way i could go through that every week.
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If you can get Your hands on a buffer and use some 3M compond on the buffer head, after buffing wipe down and then use 3M hand-glaze to seal the paint when hand-glazing just do one part at a time ( rub some into the wing and then rub off with a clean cloth) get some mutton cloth this works best won't scratch the car. After doing this the colour should come up also be carefull using the buffer that you dont go to hard and burn through the paint.
then when washing your car dont use steam cleaners with the temp. turned to high. :smiley:
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Well mine has been sat in open air stood for a year now. It hasn't gone pink, I used Meguiers scratch x to remove any oxidation, then megs 3 step deep crystal polish (paint cleaner, polish then carnuba wax) then some autoglym sealant then harley carnuba proper wax. (or megs NXT)
This has left it gleaming like new without any further intervention, its well and truly protected. Not cheap for all this stuff but halfords has an offer (3 for 2) on this stuff at the moment, will cost you about £40 for the lot.
how pink was it before you did all this ??
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TBH mine is pretty hanging (dents, scratches etc) so i doubt i'll be investing in all that... although i do have t-cut and red turtle wax...
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I bought my MK2 GTI about 2 weeks ago. It wasnt quite pink but was dull and a little faded in places. I used Autoglym paint renovator (mild cutting compound) by hand on the bonnet and roof and it came up superb. took alot of work but looked fantastic in the end.
I went out and bought a rotary polisher (not the type in argos, the type that looks like an angle grinder) and mopped the whole body using the Paint Renovator. buffed off by hand and then applied spray on wax using one of the polishing pads that came with the polisher. still looks superb after a week of rain and crap. Will only need washing and waxing from now on.
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The sunroof, bonnet and doors were full of pink patches, these are pics taken in the middle of winter the car hasnt been moved or washed since july last year....
(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h242/mattp1983/Golf/IMG_0411.jpg)
(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h242/mattp1983/Golf/IMG_0413.jpg)
(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h242/mattp1983/Golf/IMG_0412.jpg)
(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h242/mattp1983/Golf/DSC00160.jpg)
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It doesnt look too bad in the photos! Get some Autoglym paint renovator onto it.. try just the bonnet by hand first and see if it sorts the problem. If so, then i recommend a rotary polisher to do a better job and take alot less time doing so :smiley:
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The problem with Tornado red, is that it has a certain pigment in the paint that had
very poor qualities that protected it from UV radiation from sunlight, one of the other VW reds from that era was Mars red, typically, this red does not have the same problem, because it doesnt share the defective tinter. The problem would start from day one of the new cars life, had the car been treated to a good quality wax, on a regular basis, the life of the paint would have been greatly extended... if you can find an origional Tornado red golf, that has not turned pink, then you have found an example that has been looked after, for longer
Other examples of that same deffective tinter, found their way onto other makes of cars, Toyota Bright red, Vauxhall/GM Flame red, and a few BMW shades,
To overcome the problem, the manufactuers started to "Basecoat" there "solid" colours, as well as the metallics. this then gave the red, a UV barrier of clear lacquer thats used by, as far as I know, all manufactuers to this day
If your car has gone pink, then the damage has been done, you can never, truely bring that colour back to life, you can only temporarily bring the paint back to colour,
The best way to restore your colour, is to wash your car with a good quality car shampoo, and leave it to dry, mask your trims, door handles, window rubbers etc.. and then start to machine compound the whole car, with a wet foam polishing mop head, and Farecla G3 compound http://www.consumablesexpress.co.uk/acatalog/Online_Shop_FARECLA_AUTOMOTIVE_23.html?gclid=CIrPmv-_tIwCFQNQEgodhxTbSA (very messy job)
Once compunded, every trace of the compound MUST be removed! even if you have to wash the car a few more times, you must also remove ALL traces of compound from the polishing mop head, by washing in soapy water a few times.
The next process is to anti swirl polish you paint, 3Ms is one of the best, use the same process as compounding, once thats done, remove the excess, and your ready for waxing, use the very best you can afford! always apply wax to the body with a damp rag, old T shirt material is perfect for the job
If you can, always try and work out of sunlight.
The fadeing process never stops, all you can do is slow it down!
best of luck
Tom
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DO NOT USE T-CUT visit www.elitecarcare.co.uk and have a look at the Klasse All In One Polish & Sealant. clean the car using the 2 bucket method. take all the trim off the car that you can. Do a panel time at a time. believe me, this stuff works wonders. you may have to do a panel 5 times, but its worth it trust me. then iv found something like autoglym super resin polish to bring it up nicely. to seal, the only wax is Collinite Super Double Coat Auto Wax No. 476s .just reference their site, and other forums under the detailing sections. once given a coat, this seals for over a year. i gave mine 2 coats within a week, and its lasted 8 months without a hint of fade. after every wash it comes out like new. and the water still beads off. Paul
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my golf is tornado red and is beutifully bright and shiny!!! however i think its been resprayed or some of it has at some point. just around the front windscreen theres slight overspray on the trim on the a pillars and on the bottom of the windscreen where the wipers are the shiny red paint has peeled away slightly revealing a nice pink!!!
i wanted to respray this panel anyway as there is slight rot around the wiper blanks
however to keep my car so shiny and red im just giving it a regular polish. is this the best thing to doto keep it at its best????
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DO NOT USE T-CUT visit www.elitecarcare.co.uk and have a look at the Klasse All In One Polish & Sealant. clean the car using the 2 bucket method. take all the trim off the car that you can. Do a panel time at a time. believe me, this stuff works wonders. you may have to do a panel 5 times, but its worth it trust me. then iv found something like autoglym super resin polish to bring it up nicely. to seal, the only wax is Collinite Super Double Coat Auto Wax No. 476s .just reference their site, and other forums under the detailing sections. once given a coat, this seals for over a year. i gave mine 2 coats within a week, and its lasted 8 months without a hint of fade. after every wash it comes out like new. and the water still beads off. Paul
This is good advice. Recently did my Tornado red with this, then used Enzitt polish to remove some of the oxide. Then topped it off with some p21s carnuba wax. Worth the effort but its a hard work.
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Have a look on www.detailingworld.com, i'm sure there's some good tips on there.
You can probably find someone local with all the tools and knowledge who can breathe some life into your faded paintwork.
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Thom89 has got this right, you cant stop it reverting to pink eventually. Many of the Tornado Pink cars were resprayed under warranty. If you laquer it you cant get the colour back by buffing, it still fades because the UV goes through the laquer. I found the best way to keep mine red was to keep it locked in a dark garage for a year, not the most practical solution but it did work!!
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mines roof & bonnet are a f**king mess. previous owner had it resprayed & lacquered it. so when you wax it the water beads on the roof, then the sun hits it & burns a nice pink circle in the paint below the lacquer which then cant be removed!!
i hate the bastard for it
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hi ya my golf was sat outside of a house for 3 years and was very pink all i got was my girlfriend and some red t cut and one day, when i came home from work the car was like new lol i do admit i had to do it every week but now 2 years on i can leave it for 3 or 4 months
have a look :smiley:
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Bought my 'pink' car a month or so ago, got it home and T-Cut it. An all day job, the amount of dirt on the roof was incredible, very, very hard to even get the cloth to move, added a little water to the t-cut, made it easier. I have a small white area/line around around the trim on the front wheel arch? A replacement boot - without the GTi foils (as purchased from a previous & to me very annoying), and resprayed rear quarter drivers side, probably from a rear collision at some point. (boot stickers gone)
This means in the evening under street light, you can see the door forwards is a different red - no shine! The boot is a slightly different colour aswell.
Hopefully with a second and more intense T-Cut and the advice already in this topic I will be able to make it a little less noticeable.
I would add, that there is rust on the corners below the rear lights, and some spots appearing in the lower areas of the door and on a dent in the drivers door, so showroom standard is not my aim at the moment, but a good quality polish would be nice.
Although I only paid £605 for mine (a bargain) there is an identical one going for £2499 (in much better condition)
http://www.volkswizard.co.uk/carsforsale/j79lll.htm
.........and one for £4500.
http://www.volkswizard.co.uk/images/cars/h71wfg/nsflograss.jpg
Maybe I should spend a little more time cleaning it! :grin:
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This is how my Golf looked when I picked it up at the beginning of the month:
(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f222/gnerd18/ebaygolffront.jpg)
(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f222/gnerd18/ebaygolfrear.jpg)
And...the day after, how it looks after using G3 rubbing compund and a polishing bonnet on an angle grinder attatchment:
(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f222/gnerd18/golfcleanyfront.jpg)
How it looks 3 weeks on:
(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f222/gnerd18/singlelampgrill2.jpg)
Cheers,
Andy
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looking good ! where can i buy this G3 compound stuff from ?
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looking good ! where can i buy this G3 compound stuff from ?
You can buy it from your local motor factor/paint supplier (yellow pages), it also rings a bell that Halfords may also be stocking it. bear in mind that this is a machine polish, and should be used with a foam polishing mop head, and not a lambswool head.
If you go this route, its important to follow what I say in my first post, otherwise be prepared for lots of unecesary work!
To those that are using Tcut, this product contains amonia, or used to! although it has the desired result, you could actually be doing more damage in the long run, I would stick to water based polishes, and high quality waxes..
Tom
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Bought my 'pink' car a month or so ago, got it home and T-Cut it. An all day job, the amount of dirt on the roof was incredible, very, very hard to even get the cloth to move, added a little water to the t-cut, made it easier. I have a small white area/line around around the trim on the front wheel arch? A replacement boot - without the GTi foils (as purchased from a previous & to me very annoying), and resprayed rear quarter drivers side, probably from a rear collision at some point. (boot stickers gone)
This means in the evening under street light, you can see the door forwards is a different red - no shine! The boot is a slightly different colour aswell.
Hopefully with a second and more intense T-Cut and the advice already in this topic I will be able to make it a little less noticeable.
I would add, that there is rust on the corners below the rear lights, and some spots appearing in the lower areas of the door and on a dent in the drivers door, so showroom standard is not my aim at the moment, but a good quality polish would be nice.
Although I only paid £605 for mine (a bargain) there is an identical one going for £2499 (in much better condition)
http://www.volkswizard.co.uk/carsforsale/j79lll.htm
.........and one for £4500.
http://www.volkswizard.co.uk/images/cars/h71wfg/nsflograss.jpg
Maybe I should spend a little more time cleaning it! :grin:
Dougie, you have a PM.. (if you can work them after our conversation last night)... Pop over to mine sometime and I'll give my stuff I used on the Rado and Cabby a go, you maybe pleasently surprised! And then shocked at the amount of work you'll have to do! :lol:
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easiest way to avoid the pink lurgy is not to buy a red wagen. if you must buy one you have to give it all your love(cheapest wax in the world at 99p from lidl). :wink:
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looks nice mate well worth the hard work :)
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my mk2 valver that was red...i used to give good old hand polish at least once a month to keep on top of it....was usualy just roof that went pink dots...rest of car was ok....i used maguires till i found ZYMOL....look it up its superb stuff...
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my mk2 valver that was red...i used to give good old hand polish at least once a month to keep on top of it....was usualy just roof that went pink dots...rest of car was ok....i used maguires till i found ZYMOL....look it up its superb stuff...
Zymol IS the best, without doubt!
Tom
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thanks but its a losing battle man,shes got to go :sick:
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I'm saving up for a respray and a good quality car cover! (house with garage would be preferable but the car cover is a bit cheaper lol)
Personally I use AG paint restorer, super resin polish and megs gold class wax
Brings it up nicely and lasts a reasonable length of time.
Although since I have moved house and my car sits facing the sun all day long I have really noticed the difference with the bonnet and roof fading much faster :cry:
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i think i need to clean out my garage ASAP as i might be joining the tornado pink club this summer!
its full of the missus sh!te! :angry:
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(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h242/mattp1983/Golf/IMG_0411.jpg)
Was thinking of buying new crystal indicators and headlights/inner lights but after that seeing that pic i definitely will be. stunning car mate :wink:
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VW paint is "hard" but i still wouldnt use G3 on it!
If your local to me (PM but i am on the wirral ish) then will PC a bonnet for free to show you the results.
I would start with a clay, followed (if by hand) megs scratch X, AG SRP for a standard non-show car.
If you have the time then megs 83, megs 80, megs gold or 915.