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Model specific boards => Golf mk2 => Topic started by: GTi_Lee on 29 April 2007, 07:15
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Basically I've now saved up enough of my own cash to be able to get a golf gti 16v mk2. Always loved them and it seems quite possible to get one. Was just letting you guys out there know that i'm now on the look for a minter! If you know anyone selling a decent example let me know please?
Instead of using the parents' money I've decided that I want to go out there and get my own motor with my own hard earned cash! I only paid half of the car I own now, i'm sure one that's actually my car 100% would make me happy, especially a car as iconic as the golf.
I'm 20, with 2yrs no claims and quotes seem to be about £1k. Seems reasonable considering my ins this year has come to £646 for a mk4 1.2 64bhp ibiza! Any advice you guys could provide would be amazing as I'm quite new to the whole "old skool" dub scene.
Regards,
Richie Lee
Soon to be gti owner, hopefully!
PS:looking for cheap insurance, any reccommendations would be appreciated.
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Do it , Do it now :grin: you know you want to
Try speakin to martin have a look in the insurance section for his contack details :wink:
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yeh PM Martin on here (see insurance section) he saved me a packet on my valver (£250 for me and the mrs Fully Comp - sorry just to rub in it :grin: :grin: :grin:)
And yeh your making a good investment, just be prepared to keep spending on it - even getting a "minter" you're still going to have things going wrong an a possibly 20yr old car.
I've had to do clutch (£250), rear brake calipers (£80) fitted them myself to save the labour, there is a few other bits too! Also allow yourself some "mod" money - as soon as you get it you'll want to modiify oit your taste eg, suspension, engine (I've got ported head cams etc... - Upwards of £700!), debage grills, crystal headlights etc... Its an expensive business!!
But its great :wink:
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Well I'm sure looking forward to getting one, as for whether I can find one or not remains to be seen, 8vs seem to be in plentiful supply around my area but I'm looking for the 16v or "valver" is it? I'm new to all this veedub terminology. As for a getting hold of a minter, I'll have to be patient I suppose, nearly jumped into getting a black valver down swansea way for £1250 with 110k on the clock but non standard wheels and rust on the rear quarter panel. Just didnt look right to me and a bit on the pricey side.
I'm looking to just maintain one for the meantime until I can actually afford mods on the insurance really. Being 20 I'd be content on being insured on a standard car nevermind a modified one.
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Well I'm sure looking forward to getting one, as for whether I can find one or not remains to be seen, 8vs seem to be in plentiful supply around my area but I'm looking for the 16v or "valver" is it? I'm new to all this veedub terminology. As for a getting hold of a minter, I'll have to be patient I suppose, nearly jumped into getting a black valver down swansea way for £1250 with 110k on the clock but non standard wheels and rust on the rear quarter panel. Just didnt look right to me and a bit on the pricey side.
I'm looking to just maintain one for the meantime until I can actually afford mods on the insurance really. Being 20 I'd be content on being insured on a standard car nevermind a modified one.
I would do a bit of research into 8v vs 16v before you get seduced by the idea that more valves = better. In the real world, there is little to choose in terms of performance. Don't be seduced by bhp, torque is more important, as is how it's delivered. 16v engines produce most of their output at the top-end of the rev-range - personally I'm quite happy to have power low down without feeling like I have to change down a gear whenever I want to overtake. Don't take this the wrong way, but do you really understand the internal combustion engine, and the implications of the extra valves / cylinder?
Also, the engine in the 8v is simpler and more reliable, less to go wrong, less to break when it breaks, better on fuel etc. You may also find insurance is cheaper.
They are both great cars, don't get me wrong, but all I'm saying is that the 8v isn't necessarily the weaker of the two. To me, they are more /different/ than better and worse. Take one for a drive - you might be more impressed than you think.
Disclaimer - I drive an 8v, but that was a conscious decision, it wasn't because I couldn't afford a 16v. I am also 29 and don't feel I need to show how hard I am by driving everywhere as quickly as possible, and crashing lots. Having said that, I don't hang about. :P
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Firstly I've done one year of automotive design at uni so I've picked up the basics on how the combustion engine works :smiley: although I'll admit I'm no expert and I am in favour of the 16v for the additional valves and extra bhp. As for choosing the 16v, purely because I like a revvy car with an extra 1000rpm to play with and I like the whole "involved" feeling you get when changing gears frequently. That said, I'm not a particularly fast driver. I just want to realise one of my childhood dream cars :D
The cost issue is going to be a factor as I'm a student and cant afford many big repair jobs. So there are still many things to consider. To be honest though I've never seen the 8v as a lesser gti, it's just personal preference and I think the valver is more suited to my driving style. Casual driving the majority of the time but responsive if needs be at the top end of the rev range. I thought the 16v would be ore responsive due to having more valves?
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8v all the way, no matter what other peeps say !! :grin: :grin: :grin:
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Pm sent!
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here we go again 8v vs 16v!!!
at not point in the rev range does an 8v make more power/torque than a 16v - there is a graph about somewhere!!!
But to get the best of 16v yeh you have to rev them, pull well all the way to about 4.5k, then they fly all the way to 7200k.
thats they I like them!!!
I paid £1400 for mine nearly 3years ago, with 117k on the clock, wioth decent bodywork and a little bit of history. Maybe paid over the odds a bit, but to be fair its served me well with no major expense (apart from stuff I wanted to spend!) Touch wood!!!
But condition is more important than valves!
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wouldn't be my choice of car to be fair, i'd probably keep the ibiza. unless your one of these rich students, cos you would have to be cos older cars always have stuff wanting done to them :tongue:
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Hmmm interesting points and the 8v Vs 16v debate has popped up again :rolleyes: haha, I've almost read a whole 57 page thread on it and it's funny to see you all still arguing about it.
I'm by no means a rich student, I dont start till Sept/Oct but all in all I've got about £1.5k-£2k saved to spend on the car and maintenance, thats before selling my ibiza. Although I could possibly just have the golf as a project car and keep the ibiza but not drive the valver.
It's still early days yet as you can tell but I'm waiting around for a nice example to pop up preferably a black or red 3dr.
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wouldn't be my choice of car to be fair, i'd probably keep the ibiza. unless your one of these rich students, cos you would have to be cos older cars always have stuff wanting done to them :tongue:
yeah don't i bloody know it.
Right, i'm a student and live on approx £350 a month (but have reasonably generous relatives when i need help) I run a 1990 Gti 8v and am only 19 (was 18 when i took the insurance out so i'm paying £154a month till next month) anyway...i really do struggle to keep it. Since i've had it, i've had to change the interior,replace rear bumper, get an airbox for it, repair the two rear number plate lights, tyres, TAX (a right killer), the clutch is going and it keeps cutting out at the moment. It really is one thing after another, and i weekly consider to sell it, and i may still after i get my insurance renewal through, depending on how much i'll have to pay.
However i do love my car and would be very sad to see it go, so i'm gonna try and keep hold of it and when iget my student loan in September spend a little making her mint!
hope that gives you an idea.
Tim
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Bloody hell mun T_J_G driving a GTi at 18? That's determination for ya, at that time I had to pay £1500 for insurance for my 1.2! Sounds like you had quite a few issues with your car...but it doesnt really bother me to be honest. I'm expecting to have problems with a 16 year old car.
Tax eh? How much is it then? I'm paying £100 a year atm :p
Richie Lee
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Bloody hell mun T_J_G driving a GTi at 18? That's determination for ya, at that time I had to pay £1500 for insurance for my 1.2! Sounds like you had quite a few issues with your car...but it doesnt really bother me to be honest. I'm expecting to have problems with a 16 year old car.
Tax eh? How much is it then? I'm paying £100 a year atm :p
Richie Lee
£170-odd for the year i think,i've just payed £99 for 6 months! I had a 1.8 Driver and really wanted a GTi so i thought sod it and went and bought one. Life's too short to not have what you want if you can afford it!
Best to keep some money over from the Ibiza sale for any problems, it's hard to pick up a Golf GTi that hasn't got atleast one problem, whether it's a touch of rust, seat bolster...or a new engine! I think you were paying £1500 for you Ibiza is becasue of the value. I searched hard for a decent insurance premium and it paid off. Also did pass+ which helped a bit. Now its due for renewal and ive nearly got 2 NCB it should go down a bit!
Tim
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£170 for a year's tax isnt that bad considering it's a car with more than twice the power of my current car. I've got a max of £1500 to buy the car and keep it going for the first month. the money I get from selling the ibiza will be kept purely to maintain the car which I'm hoping will be around £3.5k-£4k.
I didnt do pass pluss which is a regret really as I should have, but I am consider an AIM course.
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I always admired the Golf gti, but never really thought Id own one, then I got mine mega cheap!!! Thought id buy it and flog it on! Never did though! As has been said im forever doing bits to the damm thing as its an old car. But as its my "Toy" it doesnt matter how long jobs take me to do.
Oh and get a 16v for sure :grin:
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How the hell did so many of you get away with driving GTI's aged 18-20? i was refused outright by most insurance companies until i was 21, luckily it was only a case of waiting a couple of weeks for me, i have been a 16v owner since february and loving it.
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How the hell did so many of you get away with driving GTI's aged 18-20? i was refused outright by most insurance companies until i was 21, luckily it was only a case of waiting a couple of weeks for me, i have been a 16v owner since february and loving it.
just got a quote for £792 mate :grin:
Now all I have to do is convince my rents to let me spend my hard earned cash on a 16year old car. Any suggestions as to how convince people getting a golf is a good idea?
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Do what i did at 20 , just turn up at home with it. play it along the sam lines as me , unfortunetly my mum has lived with me my dad granfathers and other brother too logn so wasnt easily conned
"stu whats that"
"its a sierra mum"
"i know is a sierra Stuart"
"i bought it today"
"oh yeah and how long do you think your going to last in a cosworth"
"im not stupid i know exactly what that is and how fast they are , and by the look of that stupid exhaust its been messed with too"
"its only like you having a lotus cortina when you were 21"
"well as long as i can have a go in it and your not stupid"
nice having an understanding mum sometimes :grin:
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How the hell did so many of you get away with driving GTI's aged 18-20? i was refused outright by most insurance companies until i was 21, luckily it was only a case of waiting a couple of weeks for me, i have been a 16v owner since february and loving it.
get so many quotes that it blows your brain. Make circumstances in your favour, e.g alarm, garaged in a low risk area, and so on...
Tim
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Theres nothing like having a GTi, 16v or 8v. I've had an 8v and currently own a 16v. Theres not a lot in it and I only sold the 8v as it had double the mileage that my 16v had. Not really had any problems with mine that I wouldn't expect from any car, (battery, tyres, the usual consumables) in the 18mths i've owned it. Maybe i'm just lucky?
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hi gti_lee.
i have lots of friends that drive 8v's mk2's and i drive a 16v. To be totally honest, when there are several of us racing about it really isn't that noticable between us all! so much more dependant on driver ability when comparing the 2 cars.
the only time my 16v is noticably quicker is 100mph + and lets face it, how much time do you spend driving at those speeds anyway?
Test drive a couple of examples of each version and see which you prefer? parts are readily available for both types and both return a similar MPG.
I think one of the nicer things about the 16v is it generally comes with a slightly better spec hence is more desirable, and the engine bay looks soooo much better than the 8v! expect to pay between £1250 - £2500 for a good one.
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im 20 now, owned my golf 8v gti for around 2 months i think... paying £1,390 insurance on a car that cost me £1600 to buy, simply putting it though, its dam worth it! learnt more in 2 months about cars than in 2 years. and its alot faster, easier and more fun to drive than a ford focus 1.6 16v. but hey, i drive fork trucks that are nicer than fords...
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Thanks for all the info guys.
Well a little about my motoring history...
When learning to drive, I learnt in a 1.7 diesel corsa with my instructor whilst driving a 1.2 16v corsa when learning with my rents. TBH the corsas were pretty reliable, nothing has ever gone wrong with them, the only thing is it's covered in tacky plastic inside and out that fades to an off white colour and isnt the nicest to drive of cars.
Then came my first car which I'm currently driving now. It's a 2003 Seat Ibiza mk4 1.2 12v 3 cylinder! although petrol consumption was initially good, when I switched to 17" Leon FR alloys it soon killed the acceleration and any mpg gains. And if I'm totally honest I'm quite frustrated with the reliability. So many little things going wrong that's annoying such as reverse light conking out and due to the way the lights are situated it's nigh on impossible to take them apart without going insane, hence being forced to go to the stealers to sort it out as my local garage refused to do it?
Then my window motors decided to give up which meant that I had to pay a total of £215 just to fit 2 motors! If they had a haynes manual for one of these I would attempt maintaining it myself but there isnt and I dont really want to tamper with modern engines incase I seriously break something, and now I've got an accelerator pedal problem too!
It's the accumulation of little problems like this and very poor performance overall that has led to me wanting to switch cars. My parents' argument is that they dont want me to get such an old car over such a relatively new one but when expensives problems occur constantly with my seat I feel it cant be much worse in a Golf, which at least I can learn how to fix and not feel too guilty if I botch little things up.
The Ibiza was bought for £6k with 26k on the clock and for that kinda money I was expecting a pretty damn good car without any problems for at least a few years which has obviously been proven wrong so now I'm on the lookout for one of my alltime childhood dream cars, my argument to them? "I'm definitely getting one sooner or later so if you force me to leave it later then it's just gonna be harder for me to find a decent example." Although they didn't take it too well I think they understand, plus it's my own hard earned cash anyway :grin:
So with a little luck I'll be one of you happy and fingers crossed lucky gti owners out there :smiley:
Regards,
Richie Lee
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Oh yeah btw when i get the golf I'm going to have to cancel insurance for my ibiza as I dont think they'll match the quote I got for the golf. How do I go about doing this? And how much do they charge for cancellation? I paid £646 in one payment for the year and I'm with norwich union.
Regards,
Richie
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don't cancel the pilicy - you will lose that years no claims!
Just change the car on the policy to what ever golf you get, and pay the extra what ever that may be! The whent eh policy runs out contact martinb on here via the insurance subforum, and he'll you a super deal!!!
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I've only been on the new policy a couple of weeks. If I dont cancel it i'll be paying upwards of £1400 for insurance for the new car, whereas I got a quote for a gti from another company for £792?
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don't cancel the pilicy - you will lose that years no claims!
Just change the car on the policy to what ever golf you get, and pay the extra what ever that may be! The whent eh policy runs out contact martinb on here via the insurance subforum, and he'll you a super deal!!!
words of wisdom :cool:
stuff this insurance game, i had a year and a halfs named driver NCB on direct line, who are crazy dear for young drivers, then got ma gti when i was 19 and insurance for £630. at the end of the day, it's no just the insurance, it's the maintenance that's gonna kill you on this car if you're at uni. either buy a sh!tter wi 12 month's ticket or get a slowmobile, at the end of the day, you'll be able to buy what you want when you graduate
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Right I've found another gti since the last valver I went to look at was a sh!tter.
This time it's a 1990 black 3dr gti 8v with 114k miles.
asking price? £1000
Apparently no rust and looks pretty decent, big bumpers on it but not sure if they're standard as there are no fog lights?
No PAS and no Electric windows and no central locking :undecided: The way I see it less to go wrong?
Ok now I know what I've said before about no way am I getting an 8v but after looking for so long and thinking about it a lot I think I could live with one. And when I get bored and get enough cash I'll fund a 1.8T engine in it :D but that's years away. My mother is going mental due to me wanting to sell my car for "a heap of rust" as she put it along with threats of eviction. But i think i might just get it anyway :evil: haha but yeh what do you think about it peeps?
Regards,
Richie Lee
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£1000 seems a bit steep to me, unless of course its in tip top condition?
Plus I'd also NEED PAS and central locking, leccy windows do go wrong (tell me about it!!), and I could personnaly live without them..
I'd also want fogs in my big bumpers!!
£700 max???
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trust me you want power steering on a mk2, its horrible without because the racks longer and you have to shuffle your hands too much on the steering wheel!
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no PAS in my daily for two and a half years now. No way would I want it fitted either. What u loose in convenience you gain in feel. Mind you I only rin 195 on 7" anywider and you might need pas.
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depends how you drive it i suppose, i find you have a lot more control with the pas when driving a bit quick because your hands have to do more work without it.
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:smiley:
My 87 gti and my old 91 driver didn't have power steering and both had 17's on handling was super and parking was good too, so much feedback round corners without pas its amazing, and when your pushing it along like so many times you do in a gti its good to know when the fronts are starting to scrub!!!! :laugh: My drivers gone now :cry: but my gti is about to be unleased on the roads of cheshire again!!!!! :grin: 8 valves well enough for me, any more and I think i'd lose my license! If anyone says the 8v doesn't enjoy the revs like a valver - rubbish, it just hasn't got the grunt that you get with an extra 20hp and 1000rpm!!!!!!!!!!! Would have one though but not along with my FAB! If I had to get rid of it I wouldn't, as I now got a 1.8T 20V Alhambra too, I think that is the way to go, 150hp, makes me wanna roll it so I can write it off buy it off insurance then plant the engine in FAB!!!!!! And its an tiptronic!! :shocked:
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GTI_Lee,
I've just picked up this thread.
I would defintely recommend getting a mk2.
I've had quite a few cars in the last few years:
Ibiza Cupra, MK3 8v, MK5 2.0 TDI (company car), MK3 16V and i've just bought a mk2 16v about 2 months ago.
The mk2 is by far the most involving car to drive and always puts a smile on my face.
I found a minter, completely standard '92 alpine white 3 dr, got power steering and electric windows, 120k. I paid £2400 which is a lot but worth every penny as it's wanted for nothing and i've got a full history of what the car's had done to it.
In terms of your insurance, you might be better waiting until your ibiza policy is up for renewal, either that or get the mk2 and put it on a limited miles classic policy and run the two cars until you sell the ibiza once the insurance has run out. I've had overlapping policies before though and you do lose out on some NCB, worth thinking about.
HTH
Stomper
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just read this thread as well car i drove before was a citroen c3 my miss's car as a named driver for 2 years im 20 now and my insurance on 8v gti is £1200. need money to spare thou had it two months and need stuff doing. would not replace it thou!!!!!