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Model specific boards => Golf mk5 => Topic started by: Ollieb7 on 27 March 2007, 08:56

Title: TT Magnetic dampers on a GTI?
Post by: Ollieb7 on 27 March 2007, 08:56
Ok the new TT is lighter - but would it work for the Golf? - can you tune the dampers to give the perfect compromise between ride and handling?
Title: Re: TT Magnetic dampers on a GTI?
Post by: Phil mcavity on 27 March 2007, 10:41
i bet you just wait and see, the mk6 golf will have those as you say, on the sports range golfs in 2008>
Title: Re: TT Magnetic dampers on a GTI?
Post by: Teutonic_Tamer on 27 March 2007, 12:36
Ok the new TT is lighter - but would it work for the Golf? - can you tune the dampers to give the perfect compromise between ride and handling?

Not with your Golf, as I believe (though stand to be corrected) that the magnetic dampers are continuously monitored and controlled via an ECU.
Title: Re: TT Magnetic dampers on a GTI?
Post by: Ollieb7 on 27 March 2007, 13:16
Ok the new TT is lighter - but would it work for the Golf? - can you tune the dampers to give the perfect compromise between ride and handling?

Not with your Golf, as I believe (though stand to be corrected) that the magnetic dampers are continuously monitored and controlled via an ECU.

Does the GTI and TT not have the same 2L FSI engine and therfore the same ECU? Me to stand to be corrected!
Title: Re: TT Magnetic dampers on a GTI?
Post by: Rhyso on 27 March 2007, 14:06
block is same but the rest is heavily revised if i remember correctly.

ECU would be different i suspect to take into account all the changes.  Certainly worth investigating further i reckon  :wink:
Title: Re: TT Magnetic dampers on a GTI?
Post by: Ollieb7 on 27 March 2007, 15:47
block is same but the rest is heavily revised if i remember correctly.

ECU would be different i suspect to take into account all the changes.  Certainly worth investigating further i reckon  :wink:

All that effort for the same power?? :undecided:
Title: Re: TT Magnetic dampers on a GTI?
Post by: Rhyso on 27 March 2007, 17:09
DOH misread your post!  I'm on about the 2.0T in the new S3 which has 265BHP  :laugh:

in your case there is a good chance it would be the same ECU. 
Title: Re: TT Magnetic dampers on a GTI?
Post by: Teutonic_Tamer on 28 March 2007, 10:06
Ok the new TT is lighter - but would it work for the Golf? - can you tune the dampers to give the perfect compromise between ride and handling?

Not with your Golf, as I believe (though stand to be corrected) that the magnetic dampers are continuously monitored and controlled via an ECU.

Does the GTI and TT not have the same 2L FSI engine and therfore the same ECU? Me to stand to be corrected!

It may share the same 2.0T FSI lump, though in a different state of tune, so therefore the engine ECU would probably be the same.  However, the 3.2 VR6 uses a different engine management system to the four-pot turbo!

However, you miss the point.  Modern cars these days have around 35 different ECUs, and the body control ECU which would work the magnetic dampers would be completely different between the Golf and the TT.
Title: Re: TT Magnetic dampers on a GTI?
Post by: Teutonic_Tamer on 28 March 2007, 10:07
DOH misread your post!  I'm on about the 2.0T in the new S3 which has 265BHP  :laugh:

in your case there is a good chance it would be the same ECU.

For the engine only - not the chassis control ECUs!
Title: Re: TT Magnetic dampers on a GTI?
Post by: Rhyso on 28 March 2007, 11:48
DOH misread your post!  I'm on about the 2.0T in the new S3 which has 265BHP  :laugh:

in your case there is a good chance it would be the same ECU.

For the engine only - not the chassis control ECUs!

Too many bloody ECU's floating around if you ask me! Whatever happened to the good old days when you just had a steering wheel and your backside to tell you what was going on!!
Title: Re: TT Magnetic dampers on a GTI?
Post by: wantmygti on 28 March 2007, 11:54
My dealer said an Eos has 64 ECU's....
Title: Re: TT Magnetic dampers on a GTI?
Post by: Hully on 28 March 2007, 12:32
My dealer said an Eos has 64 ECU's....

Hmmmmmm...... :huh: :huh: :wink:
Title: Re: TT Magnetic dampers on a GTI?
Post by: Ollieb7 on 29 March 2007, 09:53
However, you miss the point.  Modern cars these days have around 35 different ECUs, and the body control ECU which would work the magnetic dampers would be completely different between the Golf and the TT.

How exactly do you know this TT - Exactly??
Its not a 'body control' feature - its a change of a magnetic field within the damper.
Why does it have anything to do with the ECU? As i remember some of the more funky Jap dampers have a controller straight from damper to dash switch - after market, therefore no change to ECU. :undecided:
Title: Re: TT Magnetic dampers on a GTI?
Post by: Teutonic_Tamer on 02 April 2007, 15:28
However, you miss the point.  Modern cars these days have around 35 different ECUs, and the body control ECU which would work the magnetic dampers would be completely different between the Golf and the TT.

How exactly do you know this TT - Exactly??

Its not a 'body control' feature - its a change of a magnetic field within the damper.
Why does it have anything to do with the ECU? As i remember some of the more funky Jap dampers have a controller straight from damper to dash switch - after market, therefore no change to ECU. :undecided:

Ohhh - you may be right about the magnetic dampers.  I presumed they would be adjustable via electro-magnets, hence the need for ECU control.

But - if they are not electro-magnets - what actually adjusts the magnetic field?

Regarding the Jap stuff, well what use would a dash mounted switch be?  Surely you would want them to by fully adaptive - automatically, and not frantically fiddling with buttons, whilst giving it the beans on a series of twisties.  Just imagine, mid corner, in a long series, not liking current handling, fiddle with switch, fiddle again, fiddle yet again - smash - car wrapped around a tree!
Title: Re: TT Magnetic dampers on a GTI?
Post by: Ollieb7 on 03 April 2007, 08:42
Regarding the Jap stuff, well what use would a dash mounted switch be?  Surely you would want them to by fully adaptive - automatically, and not frantically fiddling with buttons, whilst giving it the beans on a series of twisties.  Just imagine, mid corner, in a long series, not liking current handling, fiddle with switch, fiddle again, fiddle yet again - smash - car wrapped around a tree!

Yep agree - but japs do like there knobs and stick on bits....
Title: Re: TT Magnetic dampers on a GTI?
Post by: Teutonic_Tamer on 03 April 2007, 11:17
Regarding the Jap stuff, well what use would a dash mounted switch be?  Surely you would want them to by fully adaptive - automatically, and not frantically fiddling with buttons, whilst giving it the beans on a series of twisties.  Just imagine, mid corner, in a long series, not liking current handling, fiddle with switch, fiddle again, fiddle yet again - smash - car wrapped around a tree!

Yep agree - but japs do like there knobs and stick on bits....

Aye - they have to make up for their deficiencies in some way!  :grin: