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Model specific boards => Golf mk5 => Topic started by: Hurdy on 23 March 2007, 11:45
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Anyone thinking of getting one of these?
The site quotes standard output of Ed30 tested at 244bhp and 231ft/lb and the upgrade to 307bhp and 288ft/lb.
Not quite sure if I would want that much power and torque through the front wheels though :rolleyes:
Link here --http://www.superchips.co.uk/curves/VWGolfGTIEdition30.pdf
Spoke to Milltek and they are developing a full exhaust system for the Ed30 which is due for a May release. This may give me enough extra horsies and torques without a remap :cool:
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Don't bother with Superchips.
There were a number of previous threads regarding the crap service regarding their Bluefin, and also general issues with the way they actually modify their maps.
For chips, REVO and Oettinger would be my only recomendation, though others will no doubt be along to defend Superchips, in the same way the US Gov't defends killing friendly troops!
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though others will no doubt be along to defend Superchips, in the same way the US Gov't defends killing friendly troops!
:grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :laugh: :laugh:
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I'm not going to defend superchips cause I've never had one - but I just like the idea of being able to do the bluefin mod in my own driveway... and being able to undo it at any time by myself!
I'll maybe consider one in a few months when the Ed30's bugs have been ironed out and there are people saying it works great.
I have to actually GET my car first though :wink:
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cool i thought the edition 30 was gonna be around 237bhp same as the leon, just wanna wait for someone else to do a map for it now, ie custom code or aps, would prefer a switchable one though personaly
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I can recommend Bluefin as I have it on my GTI. :evil:
Results are superb and technical support was excellent when I was having problems downloading my new map.
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Been having a look at Oettinger site and again looks good for tuning.
Carbon ram air looks a particularly sweet piece of kit :drool:
http://www.oettinger.com/index2_e.htm
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good find hurdy, stage 2 is 330bhp :shocked:
i wonder if people will beleive it has the S3 engine in it now ?
ps car looks :cool: mate
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I'm not going to defend superchips cause I've never had one - but I just like the idea of being able to do the bluefin mod in my own driveway... and being able to undo it at any time by myself!
But you can do exactly the same with the VAG-specific chip tuner offerings, from the likes of REVO and APR. Trust me, they are considerably better than SuperSh!ts! :nerd:
I'll maybe consider one in a few months when the Ed30's bugs have been ironed out and there are people saying it works great.
I have to actually GET my car first though :wink:
There are also people who had huge problems with the Bluefin, and actually got a full refund!
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I can recommend Bluefin as I have it on my GTI. :evil:
How/why do you base your "recommendation ?????
Results are superb
Compared to which other specialist VAG chip tuners ????
technical support was excellent when I was having problems downloading my new map.
Problems - you just don't get ANY problems with the dedicated VAG tuner that is REVO !!!!!
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Been having a look at Oettinger site and again looks good for tuning.
Carbon ram air looks a particularly sweet piece of kit :drool:
http://www.oettinger.com/index2_e.htm
I have repeated posted my recommendation for the Oettinger stuff in a number of other threads.
Not surprisingly, these are extremely highly regarded in Germany, but the previous lack of German to English translations on their web sites often left them overlooked here. RSD are the main agent in the UK.
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I can't find the thread, but there was a chap on another forum who tried the Bluefin and had lot's of download problems, TBF Superchips sorted it eventually, but only after 3/4 weeks.
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How/why do you base your "recommendation ?????
I have the software installed in my car :rolleyes:
I haven't been able to get all the other chip tuners to give me a free demo so can't compare side by side.
Any reviews I have seen for the Bluefin device have been very positive and I can back that up with how the car feels on the road.
Problems - you just don't get ANY problems with the dedicated VAG tuner that is REVO !!!!!
The problem wasn't anything to do with Superchips it was my PC. It was sorted out in five minutes on the phone. Maybe that's not quick enough.
I looked at the REVO map but didn't like the torque profile. It has a large spike at the start which may feel good but judging from other forums could be the reason REVO'd people keep blowing DV's. The Bluefin map follows the original curve profile with a constant extra boost.
I thought this looked like a friendly forum. I didn't realise you would get slated for what is only my honest opinion..
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We are friendly mate - stick around.
You'll find T_T sometimes has a tendency to post in way that can be perceived as aggressive. :lipsrsealed: Go easy on the newbies T_T. :wink:
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How/why do you base your "recommendation ?????
I have the software installed in my car :rolleyes:
I haven't been able to get all the other chip tuners to give me a free demo so can't compare side by side.
Any reviews I have seen for the Bluefin device have been very positive and I can back that up with how the car feels on the road.
Problems - you just don't get ANY problems with the dedicated VAG tuner that is REVO !!!!!
The problem wasn't anything to do with Superchips it was my PC. It was sorted out in five minutes on the phone. Maybe that's not quick enough.
I looked at the REVO map but didn't like the torque profile. It has a large spike at the start which may feel good but judging from other forums could be the reason REVO'd people keep blowing DV's. The Bluefin map follows the original curve profile with a constant extra boost.
I thought this looked like a friendly forum. I didn't realise you would get slated for what is only my honest opinion..
this is a friendly forum mate :wink: i am with you on the remap curves. i have never thought about superchips maps, but after looking at the map and the product , iam seriosly considering it, especially as most tuning companies refuse to confirm the edition 30 is running the S3/ k04 turbo engine.
the curve looks good, the figures look good, the product is good (and switchable)
come on apr / revo / amd etc get crackin.
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i have just got the bluefin brochure and am really tempted, does anyone have anything good to say about bluefin. i really like the idea of being able to put the standard map back in when it goes in for a service.apart from a few people saying they have had some problems downloading the map, they seem pleased with the results once the new map has been uploaded. any advice would be welcome before i splash out my hard earned! :cool:
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If you do go for it, let us all know what its like :wink:
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you just don't get ANY problems with the dedicated VAG tuner that is REVO !!!!!
what do you mean by this, do you mean superchips is revo?
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How/why do you base your "recommendation ?????
I have the software installed in my car :rolleyes:
I haven't been able to get all the other chip tuners to give me a free demo so can't compare side by side.
Any reviews I have seen for the Bluefin device have been very positive and I can back that up with how the car feels on the road.
OK, fairy nuff. As long as you are happy with it, then that is fine by me.
What other reviews have you seen, care to post any links!
Problems - you just don't get ANY problems with the dedicated VAG tuner that is REVO !!!!!
The problem wasn't anything to do with Superchips it was my PC. It was sorted out in five minutes on the phone. Maybe that's not quick enough.
I looked at the REVO map but didn't like the torque profile. It has a large spike at the start which may feel good but judging from other forums could be the reason REVO'd people keep blowing DV's. The Bluefin map follows the original curve profile with a constant extra boost.
The reason the Bluefin torque curve follows the existing, is simply because the Bluefin only increases turbo boost. It does not alter the fueling (quantity, timing, pulse durataion, pulse phasing), it does not alter the homogenised part of the fueling (the "S" part of the FSI technology), it doesn't alter the ignition, it doesnt alter the variable cam timing, it doesnt alter the after-run pump, and it cannot be tweaked on a rolling road, to allow for other mods, such as free-flow cats!
Other, more specialised VAG chip tuners do have the knowledge and expertise to dedicate more R&D into those very areas above.
Furthermore, if others are blowing DVs, then they are merely abusing the extra power that they have available too them.
I thought this looked like a friendly forum. I didn't realise you would get slated for what is only my honest opinion..
OK, my appologies if I came across a little harshly. I just get frustrated when peeps could get a much better product, for a similar price!
Hey, Admins, why is there no beer-chug smiley???
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You'll find T_T sometimes has a tendency to post in way that can be perceived as aggressive. :lipsrsealed: Go easy on the newbies T_T. :wink:
Read, and understood :wink: :smiley:
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i am with you on the remap curves. i have never thought about superchips maps, but after looking at the map and the product , iam seriosly considering it, especially as most tuning companies refuse to confirm the edition 30 is running the S3/ k04 turbo engine.
the curve looks good, the figures look good, the product is good (and switchable)
come on apr / revo / amd etc get crackin.
Perhaps the reason Superchips have a product out now, is maybe because it is underdeveloped, as was found out by the other chap, who eventually got a full refund. I have personally experienced a previous Superchips product, which was uttely appauling, in terms of its development!
REVO, and the likes, are obviously developing, much more completely (bad english, but you get the gist!), and are only willing to release their own products after they are properly and fully developed and tested.
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i have just got the bluefin brochure and am really tempted, does anyone have anything good to say about bluefin. i really like the idea of being able to put the standard map back in when it goes in for a service.
REVO and APR also allow you to do this. They also have valet mode, immobiliser mode, custom octane mode . . . . :nerd:
In 6 months time, or so, the specialists will have a considerably better product than the Bluefin, and with a considerably better ongoing product support.
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you just don't get ANY problems with the dedicated VAG tuner that is REVO !!!!!
what do you mean by this, do you mean superchips is revo?
No - Superchips are a "jack of all trades, master of none" company who develop (loosely coined!) alternative ECU maps for a whole range of car manufacturers - including LADA (ffs)
REVO are nothing to do with Superchips - but are a completely independent company, with years of experience, and dedicate themselves soley to VAG brand cars.
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They also have valet mode, immobiliser mode, custom octane mode . . . . :nerd:
Sounds good - do they worth the same as the Bluefin? (Plug into the diagnostic port and reflash your ECU). I like the idea of being able to do the upgrade myself without needing to take a day off work to visit a specialist!
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They also have valet mode, immobiliser mode, custom octane mode . . . . :nerd:
Sounds good - do they worth the same as the Bluefin? (Plug into the diagnostic port and reflash your ECU). I like the idea of being able to do the upgrade myself without needing to take a day off work to visit a specialist!
Every chip tuner on the Golf V (along with most modern cars which have flashable EPROM ECUs) just plugs into the diagnostic port. They don't even need to open the bonnet to tune your engine!!! :shocked: :nerd:
One problem with Bluefin and the likes, which allow the software to download onto your own PC, is that they can get corrupted with viruses and the like. Indeed, a few years back, 888 racing, who ran the official Vauxhall team in the BTCC, had their own race cars ECU maps damaged in the same way. At least when you go to a specialised dealer or reseller, the data link "should" be secure, and you can also put your car on the rolling road to individually tweak the map. :cool:
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chaps, please have a look at morego / gti engineering
www.morego.co.uk
http://www.morego.co.uk/road_tests_item.php?road-test=2
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chaps, please have a look at morego / gti engineering
www.morego.co.uk
http://www.morego.co.uk/road_tests_item.php?road-test=2
Hmm . . .
Whilst the "headline" figures speak for themselves, this is another which I would be cautious about. The company themselves are relatively young, their base experience is "racing 500bhp Sierra Cosworths", they are another jack of all trades (whilst you have your Ed30 in, you can have your 1991 Honda Civic, your 1989 LR Discovery, your "classic" Lotus Elan, or your 1993 Fiat Cinquecento all done too :rolleyes:) - not exactly a company which dedicates itself to the VAG brand, nor one which seems to offer any knowledge of the FSI technology.
Looking at the road test from the quoted link, they also needed to fit their "power grip" suspension, to keep in pointing in the desired direction - you don't see REVO/Oettinger/MTM pushing "upgraded" suspension to cope with their chips!
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GTI Engineering have been doing Golf GTI tuning since the MK1 Golf. They have done some of the best engine tuning conversions ever for the Mk1 and Mk2 Golfs.
As for the suspension, the car is good as it stands, but their setup is a slightly more focused improvement, pretty sure they use Eibach springs and setup some negative camber on the front wheels.
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GTI Engineering have been doing Golf GTI tuning since the MK1 Golf. They have done some of the best engine tuning conversions ever for the Mk1 and Mk2 Golfs.
Two things hit me with that statement.
Firstly, the company name change - companies usually change their name to rid themselves of previous "bad" history, including previous warranty comittments.
Secondly - Mk1 and Mk2 - well - so what, big deal. The 2.0T FSI engine has absolutely jack $h!t in common with the 30 year old Mk1. All that proves, is a complete lack of consistency, dedication and ongoing support to the VAG brands.
Like I said earlier, morego seem to be a jack of all trades, and are merely jumping on the "GTI" bandwagon.
As for the suspension, the car is good as it stands, but their setup is a slightly more focused improvement, pretty sure they use Eibach springs and setup some negative camber on the front wheels.
Exactly - every single motoring press out there states just how good the standard GTI chassis is, so why the need for "uprating" the suspension - why didn't they offer just a chipped car to the press ??
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All I am saying is GTI Engineering have a good reputation based on past work.
As for the suspension, the mk5 has good ride handling compromise I am sure, doesn't mean you can't sharpen things up a bit, granted this won't be to everyones tastes, and ride will no doubt suffer. make the car too stiff from the factory and alot of people will complain the ride is not compliant enough.
Their suspension changes will no doubt remove some of the front end understeer and give the car a more neutral bias, as implied on their website, again this is not something that would be advise able straight from the factory. Understeer is safer for the driver with little or no on limit handling.
You pays your money, you takes your choice.
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Carbon ram air looks a particularly sweet piece of kit :drool:
....I may be selling my Carbonio intake soon. As it's not the sort of component which wears, it would be a good deal for whoever buys it.
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Anyone thinking of getting one of these?
The site quotes standard output of Ed30 tested at 244bhp and 231ft/lb and the upgrade to 307bhp and 288ft/lb.
Not quite sure if I would want that much power and torque through the front wheels though :rolleyes:
Link here --http://www.superchips.co.uk/curves/VWGolfGTIEdition30.pdf
Spoke to Milltek and they are developing a full exhaust system for the Ed30 which is due for a May release. This may give me enough extra horsies and torques without a remap :cool:
....A Milltek exhaust will improve throttle response and might give you about 5 bhp extra UNLESS you remap your car, then the gains are more significant.
My Revo Stage1 delivers 244 bhp according to the last rolling road plot and it doesn't make the car a handful at all. It brings out the best imo. I've driven 270 bhp Mk5 GTI's and even those are very smooth - You just need to have a sensitive right foot, which you should have anyway, even for the unmodified GTI.
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Redrobin has made it across from Tyresmoke to Golfgti!!
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Redrobin has made it across from Tyresmoke to Golfgti!!
....I've gone much further than that! Am active across the pond too :smiley:. I'm not leaving Tyresmoke - Have made too many real-life (not just virtual) friends there.
I'm glad to say that these various forums seem to have varying approaches. But we're all GTI enthusiasts! [Wot!? No thumbsup icon? :sad:]
Back on topic - I agree with those who point out the potential problems of using the internet as a medium for remap settings - Scary!! Also, I have never been impressed by Superchips' ethos and attitudes as I've heard. The Jury is still out as far as I'm concerned but they are clearly more of a risk than Revo or APR, who both have switchability.
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Carbon ram air looks a particularly sweet piece of kit :drool:
....I may be selling my Carbonio intake soon. As it's not the sort of component which wears, it would be a good deal for whoever buys it.
why are you selling it? i am interested in it when/if you sell
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....I may be selling my Carbonio intake soon. As it's not the sort of component which wears, it would be a good deal for whoever buys it.
why are you selling it? i am interested in it when/if you sell
....I have been seriously considering an EVOMS but am now very unimpressed by their sole UK distributor's responses (Regal, Southampton). The EVOMS is obviously a good product but I've been re-assessing my Carbonio (and hearing it more with the windows down!). The main reason for swopping was EVOMS delivers more gain and sounds louder, although with one unpleasant grating noise. However, simply learning the fact that oettinger uses the Carbonio gives me more faith. Revo recommended it to me too. My VW dealer is cool about my Carbonio and even fitted it, but I'm not sure they would be so easy going about changing the engine cover re any warranty issues. So I'm probably going to keep the Carbonio for now at least.