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Model specific boards => Golf mk5 => Topic started by: goap on 09 March 2007, 12:24
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So with a lot of us now taking delivery of our limited edition models, I was wondering if anyone is going to fit a tracker?
Is it worth doing (I have GAP insurance as well) - bearing in mind that getting the Edition 30 replced by insurance will be next to impossible?
If anyone has had one fitted - which trackers can you recommend?
Some of them seem to come with key fobs which you use to turn the tracker off. This seems a bit pointless as if my keys get knicked I will probably be keeping the tracker key fob with them too!
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In my opinion, if they want your car, they will take it at night, drive it out of the country, before you have had the chance to call the tracker company.
Obviously they do work, otherwise the companies making them would be out of business, but as you have GAP insurance, I wouldn't bother, unless you plan on keeping your car for a long time and you get a decent discount on your insurance.
Or you could buy a tracker sticker off ebay for £3!
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My insurance wouldn't knock a penny off for my GTi if i got a tracker. And once the car is in a steel container i think the signal is blocked.
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Had cars with trackers on before and always wondered if I'd want the car back if some little git had taken and abused it. Limited edition or not.
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I dealt with the stealing of a Rover last year, it had a Tracker fitted, RAC Trackstar I think. The keys were stolen from the house and that car has never been seen since, so make your own mind up. It was a Rover I know, but the guy needed it for his job.
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Had cars with trackers on before and always wondered if I'd want the car back if some little git had taken and abused it. Limited edition or not.
Agreed. It's akin to living in the same house after someone has burgled it.
However...with something such as a GTI, I am not surprised they are a rare fitment. However, most insurers require them on more exotic machinery such as a 911 or something...so I guess they must work a high percentage of the time.
Its whether you can justify the cost per annum of the subscription (however much that may be).
P~
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If they nick the car, you almost don't want it back do you!? You never know how they've treated it and what they've ruined. I guess the only upside is if they get it back quick and you don't have to claim, then your insurance doesn't go up!
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So with a lot of us now taking delivery of our limited edition models, I was wondering if anyone is going to fit a tracker?
I've had Trackers, the genuine, full-monty ones (www.Tracker.co.uk), fitted in my last four motors. They do work very well, thank you! :wink:
Is it worth doing (I have GAP insurance as well) - bearing in mind that getting the Edition 30 replced by insurance will be next to impossible?
You've hit the nail on the head. If some scrote steals your Ed30, then you'll have a hard time getting another one! If you have Tracker fitted, then you will get your car back (something like 98% recovery rate). OK, if the toe-rags re-arange a bumper or two, the insurance company will repair it, and the subsequent knock-on on future premiums will be considerably less for, lets say a £1500 repair to fix it, against a £25,000 for a stolen replacement!
If anyone has had one fitted - which trackers can you recommend?
www.Tracker.co.uk - the Horizon as a minimum.
Some of them seem to come with key fobs which you use to turn the tracker off. This seems a bit pointless as if my keys get knicked I will probably be keeping the tracker key fob with them too!
You numpty ! :rolleyes: :grin: You are meant to keep the key tag separate from the keys. Put the tag in your wallet, or purse, if that is your persuasion! :wink: :smiley:
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In my opinion, if they want your car, they will take it at night, drive it out of the country, before you have had the chance to call the tracker company.
What utter nonsence! Providing you get the "proper" Tracker, and not some imitation, then Tracker phone you, the moment any unauthorised movement is detected! Furthermore, Tracker have detectors permanently positioned on all the major UK ports. They also have Tracker monitoring and activation in many European countries, unlike any "competators".
Obviously they do work, otherwise the companies making them would be out of business,
Some work, namely Tracker, and some don't. There was an article in either the Times or Telegraph regarding scamming bastards claiming to offer so called tracking systems - they were prosecuted by Trading Standards, fined heavily, and were banned from being Company Directors. I had personaly met those bunch of wayne kerrs at a MotorShow at the NEC a few years earlier, and could see right through their "sales patter" - sadly, some peeps took the bait hook, line and sinker!
but as you have GAP insurance, I wouldn't bother, unless you plan on keeping your car for a long time and you get a decent discount on your insurance.
I strongly disagree. As the old saying goes, "prevention is better than cure". We all know what scum-bags many insurance companies can be, when it comes to worming their way out of settling claims!
Or you could buy a tracker sticker off ebay for £3!
Err, that would really help - NOT. The genuine Tracker systems do NOT have any identifying stickers, for an extremely valid reason. If you were to put one of those stickers on your car, then that would simply serve as a blatant advert to the low lifes who target expensive cars, that the owner is a tight-arse who can't be bothered with a genuine Tracker.
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My insurance wouldn't knock a penny off for my GTi if i got a tracker.
But think about how much your future premiums would be loaded by, after they have to pay out on the loss of a £25k car. You would have an additional "risk", because you failed to take reasonable methods to protect your assets!
And once the car is in a steel container i think the signal is blocked.
Only on the much older style tracking devices. Modern Trackers come with either two or three separate active tracking technologies, and one further passive technology!
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Had cars with trackers on before and always wondered if I'd want the car back if some little git had taken and abused it. Limited edition or not.
A fair comment. However, with a stolen recovered car, the insurance MUST repair any damage, and the the cost of the claim will be substancially less than a stolen and NOT recovered.
If you subsequently decide the car has bad "karma" or whatever, then you can choose to sell it on, at your own convenience, and at a fair and reasonable price, and not have to slog it out over 10 rounds with your insurance co when sourcing a stolen replacement!
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I dealt with the stealing of a Rover last year, it had a Tracker fitted, RAC Trackstar I think. The keys were stolen from the house and that car has never been seen since, so make your own mind up. It was a Rover I know, but the guy needed it for his job.
The RAC Trackstars are pretty poor for private motorists, who need it for stolen vehicle recovery. The "secure centre" which operates the RAC ones is run by Group4, and we all know they have a job keeping tabs on prisoners inside locked prision vans :sick:, so tracing cars might just prove a little difficult for them! :sad:
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The recovery rate for any high performance vehical accoarding to the police isnt that succesfull in defence TT.It shows that the quicker you contact the police, the more likely they are in finding it, results show the longer the car is missing, chances are you ARE NOT likely to see it again.i think your saying about putting a tracker sticker whether you have or havent got one fitted is neither here nor there TT,anything to a thick Criminal may not realise, afteral how many brain cells do they genarally have.!! In Blowers case, they obvoiusly were watching his movements, and knew EXACTLY what they were after. If someone wants something, THEY WILL get it, one way or another.
BRING BACK THE DEATH PENALTY!
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www.Tracker.co.uk - the Horizon as a minimum.
I'm on their website now and cant see any difference between "Horizon" and "Monitor" :undecided: (apart from the price)
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Righty, I WILL submit this post, even if I have to plug the bloody server directly into the Naional Grid!
The recovery rate for any high performance vehical accoarding to the police isnt that succesfull in defence TT.
I think you may be getting that particular issue confused. Those statistics may actually be relating to ALL high performance vehicles, irrespective of weather any kind of tracking device is fitted!
Tracker can provide independently audited figures of something like 98% recovery rates - now that is mighty impressive!
It shows that the quicker you contact the police, the more likely they are in finding it, results show the longer the car is missing, chances are you ARE NOT likely to see it again.
Then that would definately prove the need for an active, high quality, proven tracking device. With all the current Tracker products, the notification to the owner is nigh-on instant, and interception of the stolen car within 20minutes is regularly proven!
i think your saying about putting a tracker sticker whether you have or havent got one fitted is neither here nor there TT,anything to a thick Criminal may not realise, afteral how many brain cells do they genarally have.!!
Oh, no, I have to disagree with that, quite strongly.
OK, you may have a point, but which is unrelated. Yes, there are the low-life, single-cell Pikey/Chav brigade, who either target ancient Escorts/Sierras/Novas etc, for joyriding. They may also resort to a brick through the window of any car, for the purposes of stealing the "Scott-Scott" on the dash, or the girly handbag under the passenger seat. These would bear no relation to the actual theft of a modern GTI or equivalent.
Generally, the newest, high-value, high-performance cars, are generally targeted and stolen "to order", by highly organised, and clever gangs of organised crims. These types would simply laugh at a Tracker sticker, and would actually consider it a vary easy picking, based on their own acute knowledge that the genuine Trackers do NOT have any kind of identifying elements, including stooopid stickers!
In Blowers case, they obvoiusly were watching his movements, and knew EXACTLY what they were after. If someone wants something, THEY WILL get it, one way or another.
Oh, agreed. BUT, if Blower had a Tracker fitted, there would have been a 98% chance he would have his car back! And no doubt the scrotes that lifted it, would be tasting an oaty breakfast!
BRING BACK THE DEATH PENALTY!
Nooooooo - that would be too kind for the scum.
Public flogging, with electrified car keys tied to the ends of the lashes. The number of lashes would be determined by the value of the stolen car, in pennies, not pounds, multiplied by the distance traveled from the owners last location, in millimetres! :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:
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www.Tracker.co.uk - the Horizon as a minimum.
I'm on their website now and cant see any difference between "Horizon" and "Monitor" :undecided: (apart from the price)
Monitor is their (now) basic, entry level device. It uses just one active tracking and alert technology.
Horizon is the next model up from the Monitor. It works in exactly the same way, but uses to completely separate and different tracking systems.
Rgds
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Right fellas, ex cop having a say now, when I worked for the force, would hear of Tracker's going off, the lads with blues and 2s followed them on the monitor and usually recovered goods. Trackers are fitted to all sorts of goodies now, m/bikes, vans, lorrries and plant (JCB). TRACKER is recommended by Thatcham who are about the best at security, which is what they do. TRACKER do about 3 sorts, MONITOR HORIZON and RESPONSE systems, the difference between MONITOR and HORIZON apart from price £674 against £774, is MONITOR is on VHF and HORIZON is VHF and GPS. THATCHAM says that HORIZON receives a signal in an underground car park or inside a container !. On my ED 30 I have fully comp insurance with protected bonus, plus GAP bought from my dealer for £150 as part of a deal, still considering HORIZON though :undecided:. It all depends on the individual, £Â£Ã‚£ comes in to it, RESPONSE is like having a car sitter buts its over £1,000,iut does more than I need anyway. HORIZON and MONITOR both have the lifetime duration for that money, so its up to you folks you pays your money and yoy takes your pick
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Right fellas, ex cop having a say now, when I worked for the force, would hear of Tracker's going off, the lads with blues and 2s followed them on the monitor and usually recovered goods.
Aye, and am I right when I stated that only Tracker are pinged directly to the BiB?
Trackers are fitted to all sorts of goodies now, m/bikes, vans, lorrries and plant (JCB).
Agreed, but Tracker also offer to completely different "overall" solutions - the one we are talking about here being "stolen vehicle recovery", and the other is a more generalised tool, used by fleet managers, for live data tracking - "vehicle asset management systems".
TRACKER is recommended by Thatcham who are about the best at security, which is what they do.
Absoultely. Tracker are the only company to achieve CAT 5 accreditation, not even the might of RAC/Group4 gets this!
TRACKER do about 3 sorts, MONITOR HORIZON and RESPONSE systems, the difference between MONITOR and HORIZON apart from price £674 against £774, is MONITOR is on "delete tech 1" and HORIZON is "delete tech 1" and "delete tech 2".
Hmmm, I've deleted your sensative data in my quote, perhaps you or the MODERATORS could do the same!
You forgot to mention that the RESPONSE, along with the ECHO (which you didn't mention) also have a third active tracking technology, AND they use a separate key tag!
THATCHAM says that HORIZON receives a signal in an underground car park or inside a container !.
ALL current Tracker devices will send a receivable signal, even from within concrete or metal containers. There is only one of the potential three tracking methods which is defeated in this way!
On my ED 30 I have fully comp insurance with protected bonus, plus GAP bought from my dealer for £150 as part of a deal,
Yebut - even if you do have "protected NCB", your base premium will still shoot up on renewal of an unrecovered loss!
still considering HORIZON though :undecided:.
Go for it. The Horizon offers better pin-point accuracy, over the Monitor.
It all depends on the individual, £Â£Ã‚£ comes in to it, RESPONSE is like having a car sitter buts its over £1,000,iut does more than I need anyway. HORIZON and MONITOR both have the lifetime duration for that money, so its up to you folks you pays your money and yoy takes your pick
Quite!
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I'm interested in fitting a tracker, so I've read this thread with interest.
I'm a little confused by how the system works. I note this line on their website: "If a TRACKER Horizon equipped vehicle is illegally moved, a movement sensor hidden in the vehicle sends a signal to TRACKER HQ." The question is, how does the system know that movement is illegal?
Say my keys are pinched - how does the tracker know the different between me starting it with the key and driving off, or some thieving git doing to same?
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Hmmm, I've deleted your sensative data in my quote, perhaps you or the MODERATORS could do the same!
I can do but not really sure why...
I'm sure peeps would have found them with Google anyhow!
:)
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I'm a little confused by how the system works. I note this line on their website: "If a TRACKER Horizon equipped vehicle is illegally moved, a movement sensor hidden in the vehicle sends a signal to TRACKER HQ." The question is, how does the system know that movement is illegal?
Well - why don't you phone Tracker directly, and ask them to divulge commercially sensitive security information details, oh, and while you are on the dog, don't forget to tell them that you will then publish that sensitive info on a public web forum! :shocked:
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Take it from me - it WORKS!
Say my keys are pinched - how does the tracker know the different between me starting it with the key and driving off, or some thieving git doing to same?
In that particular instance, the Tracker unit will work in exactly the same way as the original Retrieve unit - just phone up Tracker, and tell them your car has been stolen, complete with the keys, and they will switch on the "homing" part of it.
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Hmmm, I've deleted your sensative data in my quote, perhaps you or the MODERATORS could do the same!
I can do but not really sure why...
Well, I just thought it might be a good idea to delete the info pertinent to the actual methods used for tracking. Just common sense really!
I'm sure peeps would have found them with Google anyhow!
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Uh - where did that come from???
OK, granted, the info may be out there somewhere - but lets not make it easy for 'em!
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Well - why don't you phone Tracker directly, and ask them to divulge commercially sensitive security information details, oh, and while you are on the dog, don't forget to tell them that you will then publish that sensitive info on a public web forum! :shocked:
:lipsrsealed:
Take it from me - it WORKS!
What a thoroughly ridiculous rant.
IÂ’d assumed it was something that anyone with a Tracker would be aware of, therefore in no way “commercially sensitiveÂâ€Â. IÂ’m not asking for a detailed schematic breakdown of the system, but a driverÂ’s experience of using it.
The HorizonÂ’s section on the website notes that the unit contacts Tracker HQ if illegal movement is detected, and then Tracker HQ contact the vehicle owner. From this I took that the driver doesnÂ’t have to tell them if the car is stolen, it is the other way around.
What I wondered was does the driver somehow deactivate the unit when he gets in the car by identifying himself as the legal owner? Otherwise, how does the car know what movement is illegal? If you have to call them, then the car doesnÂ’t detect illegal movement at all, and it doesnÂ’t make any sense that they later call you to check something youÂ’ve already told them about.
None of this is commercial sensitive in any way, and it wonÂ’t compromise anyoneÂ’s safety. Anyone who owns a system will know the solution, so it is within the public domain. If explaining how a driver interacts with the unit compromises the system, then itÂ’s a total waste of time and not worth a penny.
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Well, I just thought it might be a good idea to delete the info pertinent to the actual methods used for tracking. Just common sense really!
The actual mechanism of a system's design isn't what makes it secure. For example, if I gave you my bank card, you'd know perfectly well how it was to be used. You'd know that you take it to an ATM and then use a PIN code to withdraw cash. The problem is the PIN. It is the PIN code that is the security, not the mechanism of use.
People have trackers and they are being used. The mechanism will naturally become known as they become more popular, which the business behind them presumably wants to happen. There has to be another level of security to it, otherwise Mr. Criminal gains the knowledge to overcoming any tracker by buying one.
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Wouldn't mind knowing myself?? Probly just some kind of "fob" you have on your person when you use the car - I dunno?
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Probly just some kind of "fob" you have on your person when you use the car - I dunno?
That's what I'm assuming. On Tracker's website they note a "Driver Validation Tag" that is used with the TRACKER Response system so it knows if the legal owner is driving. However, it isn't noted in the other system's descriptions. It would seem logical that they use it too from what they claim to do; just wondering if anyone knew.
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Got this from a search on a car security installer's website:
"This is the system that monitors the vehicle that it is fitted to 24hours a day, hence the name Tracker Monitor. This system works on a mercury switch that is activated when the ignition is turned off. If the vehicle is started without the ignition key, or is moved, whether it has been broken into or not, the Tracker control centre will inform both the owner of the vehicle and the Police that the car has been moved without the ignition key being used and the process of recovery can then start. As this is monitored 24Hrs a day it doesn't matter when or where the vehicle is stolen from (UK Only), Tracker will let you know as soon as the vehicle is moved."
I believe that Monitor will activate if the vehicle is moved without the ignition on. I.e. towed or lifted. I think it's more applicable to motorbikes, jet skis etc that can be towed and lifted more easily. For a theft with keys then you have to inform tracker (works like the basic one). I don't think the tag is used on Monitor. I wouldn't mind a definitive answer though as this is still all speculation.
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Well - why don't you phone Tracker directly, and ask them to divulge commercially sensitive security information details, oh, and while you are on the dog, don't forget to tell them that you will then publish that sensitive info on a public web forum! :shocked:
:lipsrsealed:
Take it from me - it WORKS!
What a thoroughly ridiculous rant.
Why - - - - just because I have a little common sense, and don't want to post detail of a security system, you try to ridicule me !!! :huh: :undecided:
IÂ’d assumed it was something that anyone with a Tracker would be aware of, therefore in no way “commercially sensitiveÂâ€Â. IÂ’m not asking for a detailed schematic breakdown of the system, but a driverÂ’s experience of using it.
Then your assumption is very wrong! A Tracker unit is a "fit and forget" item. It requires absolutely no intervention from the driver at all. Furthermore, the owner/driver is prohibited from actually knowing where the unit is located within the car.
So - to answer your specific query re: "driverÂ’s experience of using it" - there is NO drivers experience!
The HorizonÂ’s section on the website notes that the unit contacts Tracker HQ if illegal movement is detected, and then Tracker HQ contact the vehicle owner. From this I took that the driver doesnÂ’t have to tell them if the car is stolen, it is the other way around.
What is written on the Tracker web site is perfectly clear and accurate. What don't you understand? ALL current Trackers automatically detect and notify for unathorised movement, without ANY owner/driver intervention.
What I wondered was does the driver somehow deactivate the unit when he gets in the car by identifying himself as the legal owner?
There is no "deactivation" of the Tracker unit. It automatically knows when the car is being used legitimately, and when it is not - and responds accordingly.
Otherwise, how does the car know what movement is illegal?
It just knows - that is why Tracker are so good, and where their so-called competators products blatantly fall down!
If you have to call them, then the car doesnÂ’t detect illegal movement at all, and it doesnÂ’t make any sense that they later call you to check something youÂ’ve already told them about.
Where did that come from?
The only instances where you need to call Tracker first are as follows:
a/ you own the original (now discontinued) Retrieve unit (which never did claim to detect illegal movement),
b/ your car keys have been stolen,
c/ you wish to request a "lock-down".
Any other unathorised movement, on all the current Tracker models, and they call you first.
None of this is commercial sensitive in any way, and it wonÂ’t compromise anyoneÂ’s safety. Anyone who owns a system will know the solution, so it is within the public domain. If explaining how a driver interacts with the unit compromises the system, then itÂ’s a total waste of time and not worth a penny.
OK, I say again, phone Tracker directly, and demand they give you detailed info on their Tracker units, so that you can post the info on a public web site. Their polite answer will be something like "commercially sensative", or "security sensative", or similar phrases. When you end the said fone conversation, then phrases begining and ending with the letter "F" may be targeted to you!
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Well, I just thought it might be a good idea to delete the info pertinent to the actual methods used for tracking. Just common sense really!
The actual mechanism of a system's design isn't what makes it secure.
What a load of hairy gonads. OK, if your logic was correct, then why do Golf Mk5 have deadlocks on the doors? Why don't you email VW R&D in Wolfsburg, and tell them to bin the deadlocks, and instead use a wire tie from a freezer bag to hold the doors secure! :rolleyes:
For example, if I gave you my bank card, you'd know perfectly well how it was to be used. You'd know that you take it to an ATM and then use a PIN code to withdraw cash. The problem is the PIN. It is the PIN code that is the security, not the mechanism of use.
Oh do dream on. PIN, or NO PIN, if I had your bank card, I most definately would be able to obtain goods, services and cash! :rolleyes:
People have trackers and they are being used.
But the owners/drivers do NOT "use" them - they are fit and forget, and require no intervention.
The mechanism will naturally become known as they become more popular, which the business behind them presumably wants to happen. There has to be another level of security to it, otherwise Mr. Criminal gains the knowledge to overcoming any tracker by buying one.
Again, gonads. Tracker are highly regarded, and Thatcham regulated products. There has never been any evidence of any "reverse engineering" of any of their products, and indeed, their products are continously being developed!
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Probly just some kind of "fob" you have on your person when you use the car - I dunno?
That's what I'm assuming. On Tracker's website they note a "Driver Validation Tag" that is used with the TRACKER Response system so it knows if the legal owner is driving.
The "Driver Validation Tag" is ONLY used on the Response and Echo systems. You keep the tag in your wallet/purse/sock/shirt pocket/boxers - but NOT with the actual car keys!
However, it isn't noted in the other system's descriptions. It would seem logical that they use it too from what they claim to do; just wondering if anyone knew.
Free lunches anyone??? :rolleyes: :smug:
You have to pay extra for the ID tag technology. It is not used on the Monitor or Horizon!
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Got this from a search on a car security installer's website:
"This is the system that monitors the vehicle that it is fitted to 24hours a day, hence the name Tracker Monitor. This system works on a mercury switch that is activated when the ignition is turned off. If the vehicle is started without the ignition key, or is moved, whether it has been broken into or not, the Tracker control centre will inform both the owner of the vehicle and the Police that the car has been moved without the ignition key being used and the process of recovery can then start. As this is monitored 24Hrs a day it doesn't matter when or where the vehicle is stolen from (UK Only), Tracker will let you know as soon as the vehicle is moved."
That is for the older, but still current system. The newer units use even more advanced technologies. :wink:
I believe that Monitor will activate if the vehicle is moved without the ignition on. I.e. towed or lifted. I think it's more applicable to motorbikes, jet skis etc that can be towed and lifted more easily. For a theft with keys then you have to inform tracker (works like the basic one). I don't think the tag is used on Monitor. I wouldn't mind a definitive answer though as this is still all speculation.
The Monitor and the Horizon work in exactly the same way, and they don't use key tags.
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It was a straightforward question; your childish rant is wholly uncalled for TT, but I hope you got something out of it anyway.
The answer seems to be that it doesn't actually detect all illegal movement at all. The website is incredibly unclear (to the point of being misleading) on this point, presumably as it highlights a shortcoming in the lesser systems, in that if your keys are gone the system does nothing until you notice the car is gone. Living near to one of Europe's major docks, this would be a concern. Unlikely they could be quick enough, but still a concern.
I think itÂ’ll have to be the premium system then.
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It was a straightforward question; your childish rant is wholly uncalled for TT, but I hope you got something out of it anyway.
It may well have been a straightforward question that you posted, but my reply certainly was not a childish rant. Nobody else, appart from your good self seems to have taken an issue with my stance. Shall we just agree to disagree on that issue, and call a truce? :huh: :smiley:
The answer seems to be that it doesn't actually detect all illegal movement at all.
Oh, all the Tracker units detect "illegal movement", but some units only detect certain types of illegal movement (moved without the keys), whereas the more expensive/comprehensive units detect additional methods of illegal movement (including movement with the keys).
The website is incredibly unclear (to the point of being misleading) on this point,
I sort of agree with you, but maybe Tracker themselves wish to be slightly cautious on the info they offer. However, if you phone them directly, rather than, say trying to get the info from your VW stealer, they are much more helpful (usually!!!!).
presumably as it highlights a shortcoming in the lesser systems, in that if your keys are gone the system does nothing until you notice the car is gone.
Well, you are right to a point! But not every car which is stolen, is taken with the keys, and in that respect, the "lesser" Tracker systems are still very, very good, with a proven track record. Sadly, the crims are now aware that to steal the keys before the car itself, means it is so much easer to take your P&J. However, one thing to bear in mind when choosing which type of Tracker would have to be the type of car you own: is it highly desireable in terms of its' potential for resale, or merely just because it is a fast car with less value for resale!
Living near to one of Europe's major docks, this would be a concern. Unlikely they could be quick enough, but still a concern.
Now that would be one very important issue to weigh up when considering which unit to fit. Bear in mind though, that all the major ports and docks have the Tracker detectors on them! :wink:
I think itÂ’ll have to be the premium system then.
Wise move! :wink:
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I am picking up my R32 in about 2 weeks time. I intend to get a tracker fitted simply as piece of mind. To be honest the main way I feel she would be nicked will be a car jacking or someone breaking into my house. In both cases the theives will have my keys. Now can someone please clarify how these trackers work with the tags. Assuming that I keep the tag in my wallet, I assume the tracker will pick it up when im in the vehicle? So if someone takes my keys and not my wallet, tracker will flag unauthorised movement and phone me etc. I take it the key tag is reasonably small that it could fit in your wallet?
Or, if it get robbed and both my wallet and keys are taken, I would have to manually notifiy tracker the car has been stolen?
On another note, have any of you seen the Tracker RESPONSE system working. Does the website really allow you to log and in see the location of the car on a map at any time?
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I am picking up my R32 in about 2 weeks time. I intend to get a tracker fitted simply as piece of mind.
Well, that is the only reason, really - unless you know somebody who actually "plans" on getting their car stolen.!!! :smug:
To be honest the main way I feel she would be nicked will be a car jacking or someone breaking into my house. In both cases the theives will have my keys. Now can someone please clarify how these trackers work with the tags.
No tag near the car, at any time the ignition is on, or whenever the battery is disconnected = immediate alert to Tracker secure data centre!
Assuming that I keep the tag in my wallet, I assume the tracker will pick it up when im in the vehicle? So if someone takes my keys and not my wallet, tracker will flag unauthorised movement and phone me etc.
Correct.
I take it the key tag is reasonably small that it could fit in your wallet?
It depends. They arn't credit card size! :wink:
Or, if it get robbed and both my wallet and keys are taken, I would have to manually notifiy tracker the car has been stolen?
Correct again! (you learn fast! :grin:)
On another note, have any of you seen the Tracker RESPONSE system working. Does the website really allow you to log and in see the location of the car on a map at any time?
Yes, and yes!
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Thank you for the above. Quick learner yes lol, im just trying to justify the price.
"Well, that is the only reason, really - unless you know somebody who actually "plans" on getting their car stolen.!!! "
Just suddenly realised how that must of read lol oops.
Didnt know much about the trackers at all so I appreciate you info and clarification of my points :smiley:
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Thank you for the above. Quick learner yes lol, im just trying to justify the price.
"Well, that is the only reason, really - unless you know somebody who actually "plans" on getting their car stolen.!!! "
Just suddenly realised how that must of read lol oops.
Didnt know much about the trackers at all so I appreciate you info and clarification of my points :smiley:
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Thank you for the above. Quick learner yes lol, im just trying to justify the price.
No worries. :smiley:
They arn't cheap, but with a "proper" Tracker fitted, you are nigh-on guarenteed (99% actually) of a complete recovery. When you compare the cost of the Tracker against any insurance excesses, inevitable premium increases, and general out of pocket uninsured expenses - then, should you be unlucky enough to have it stolen, the Tracker cost would pale into insignificance! :nerd:
"Well, that is the only reason, really - unless you know somebody who actually "plans" on getting their car stolen.!!! "
Just suddenly realised how that must of read lol oops.
Sorry, I was just being a bit pedantic, 'cause another poster didn't like the "tone" of some of my previous comments. No offence, mate! :wink: :smiley:
Didnt know much about the trackers at all so I appreciate you info and clarification of my points :smiley:
Any more Qs, then just as away. :smiley:
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Any more Qs, then just as away. :smiley:
Dont worry mate it was all taken in good spirit. :laugh:
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Any more Qs, then just as away. :smiley:
Dont worry mate it was all taken in good spirit. :laugh:
OK, cool!
So which one are you going for?
Oh, and another tip for you - don't let the VW stealer fit it, instead, go to a Tracker-recognised independent Auto Electrician (who is also accredited by the VSIB).
Rgds
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Yep im going for the Tracker Response and I have a local authorised Tracker dealer (ie not a VW stealer) to fit it :smiley:
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Yep im going for the Tracker Response and I have a local authorised Tracker dealer (ie not a VW stealer) to fit it :smiley:
Good man!
Let us know how you find it, when you get your new wheels. :smiley:
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I pick her up this week, hopefully wednesday or thursday according to dealer :smiley: :smiley:
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I pick her up this week, hopefully wednesday or thursday according to dealer :smiley: :smiley:
n-joy, and don't forget the piccys! :smiley:
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great advice here. am looking into getting a track type device and the Horizon (one off price of £780 for the duration of ownership) seems to be a pretty good deal.
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Thats not bad bobtheclown.
Im thinking of getting one as well now!
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as said earlier in this post why would you want the car back after some sh!t bag had even set foot inside it let alone nailed the ass out of it etc just get no claims bonus protection added to your insurance around £50 for myself with churchill then you can make 3 claims in 2 years and premium wont really be affected, limited edition or not once its been taken id hope to never see it again personaly, call me weird but i like my things and the thought of some toe rag messing with it would make me want to get rid soon as i got it back anyway tbh :angry: :angry:
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yup, get it back and sell it on. Tracker gives you more options. Plus if it is tracked there might be more chance of the toe rags being caught with the car and being brought to justice. Keep the car for 2 years and it works out to be approximately £1 day. pretty good value imho
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selling it on would be more hastle for me than it just being written off as i have gap insurance anyway so would rather the full cash from insurance and go gti shopping again :laugh:
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great advice here. am looking into getting a track type device and the Horizon (one off price of £780 for the duration of ownership) seems to be a pretty good deal.
I was going to go down that route too, but then noticed 'duration of ownership' is actually only 3 years.
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i think trackers are great. i have one on my golf
goin on hols tomorrow and immobilsing the car so you cant start it at all. so hopefully should still be on the drive when i get back lol
we got a meta system tracker, not sure how much they cost as ours was a freebie
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Anyone know if TrueTag Car Tracking System is any good?