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Model specific boards => Golf mk5 => Topic started by: Phil mcavity on 31 January 2007, 17:18
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Not too good a reading on the edition 30 again this week in Auto Express
The car was put against 7 other cars,Mazda mps,Seat leon FR, Renaultspoilt clio,Mini cooper S, New Civic type R GT,Renaultspoilt Megane R230, and Ford unfocused ST.
these cars were whittled down to the top 4 and the edition 30 never made the top 4. reasons were:-
"spicey but Pricey"
Quote"The only change from the GTI is the extra power-and paying the best part of £3000 for 30hp doesnt seem good value for money.|The uprated engine TAKES TOO LONG to get into its stride, and we prefer the standard GTI's looks :grin: :grin: :grin:. Boy oh Boy do i feel happy now!.
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I'll wait till my own test drive...Auto Express reviews have never inspired much confidence
"Quote - the only change from the GTI is the extra power.." which leaves out the trim and other cosmetic changes, which in my book is an inaccurate review
The "delay" in engine response will be from the larger turbo spooling up..and is exactly the same on the 1.8t engines, when comparing the lower power versions (KO3 turbo) and the 210hp/225hp versions (KO4 turbo)...peak torque is a few hundred RPM further up the range as a result
The cosmetic changes are personal taste, so I can't and won't pick them up about that :smiley:
Personally, the black trim isn't for me, and I find the 18" Monza wheels a little OTT, but both cars are still great
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Yes they are both great, i think most mags will hold the 1st mk 5 gti as always the better one cus, its cheaper then the 2nd edition with only subtle changes
I must say peeps, both autocar and auto express mags are worth a look this week , lots about the hot hatch market.So if you get sent out by your missus to tesco stop and shop to get milk, worth picking up a copy
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must be crap if they says so i guess, cant understand why i bought one :shocked: never mind i will still enjoy mine :smiley:
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What b!tching? :sad: :sad: :sad: :sad: :sad: :sad: :sad:
:wink: :wink: :wink: :smiley: :smiley: :smiley: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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Must say I really like the Ed30, just didn't want to pay the extra over the GTi. Can't see why it would get a worse write up on the grounds of the car's performance when it is a GTi and some.
Part of me wishes I'd gone for the Ed30. That bit is located close to the R32 envious streak, but is a little more prominent.
Then I remember that i saved £1700 ish plus i prefer the Monza 2's so it's not all bad.
All a question of taste and how much you want to spend on your GTi I guess.
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The "delay" in engine response will be from the larger turbo spooling up..and is exactly the same on the 1.8t engines, when comparing the lower power versions (KO3 turbo) and the 210hp/225hp versions (KO4 turbo)...peak torque is a few hundred RPM further up the range as a result
Ahh, but I thought only the new S3 had the bigger turbo, and the GTI Ed30 was just an ECU remap to ramp the power. Correct me if I'm wrong though!
Rgds
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TT - don't think anyone really knows 100%. Seems S3 turbo is the current favoured source of power.
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I wouldn't take any notice. Auto Express don't know their ear hole from their a$$ hole. I remember reading an article about the first new mini cooper s when i was looking to buy my mini and all the information they said about the chrysler engines was totally incorrect. They rely on their articles about cars which will come out in 5 years time and even that info is all made up. I got a normal GTI and im chuffed but they don't seem to relise the fact you pay more for more power, extra touches and the most important - exclusivity!! The edition 30's shold in theory hold their money better in the long term, so whats the problem???
And finally, I don't know who has driven the new Focus ST but I thought it was s**t, one of the most boring cars on the road in my opinion. The Mini was top fun but my GTI = :grin:
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Car magazine, which is a much better mag, gives it a very good review in all.
Dave
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It also depends on how you are going to use the car. I bet the gti is still the best all rounder from that bunch autoexcretion did a "review" on.
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Hold the Presses...................
In Todays Car magazine the results are very different. The ED30 gets a very good write up! It gets described as the best all rounder and only comes second to the Type R. Thats against other cars such as the Cooper S, Clio. 130i, S3 and R32. :grin:
"The golf feels utterly perfect;it's tight, the body impeccably controlled but still well damped and comfortable" "Ultimately the Golf is more rewarding and consistent" than the Focus. No problems with the engine.
The comment with regards to the S3 engine "the power delivery is smooth, consistent....." totally differnt to the Auto Express review of the S3.
If you want more involvement get the Type R. If you want something differnt to the GTI get a R32 they say.
Mind you the the GTI came bottom of the last AE hot hatch test in October i think. HALT
the b!tching, what b!tching. I feel much better now. :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin:
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They do say that stiggy, even whatcar's guide has always given the Standard GTI 5 stars, R32 4 stars and the same for the ED 30
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Right... I have to get in on this b!tching act too because I really feel left out. :sad:
So here goes...
Not too good a reading on the edition 30 again this week in Auto Express
The car was put against 7 other cars,Mazda mps,Seat leon FR, Renaultspoilt clio,Mini cooper S, New Civic type R GT,Renaultspoilt Megane R230, and Ford unfocused ST.
these cars were whittled down to the top 4 and the edition 30 never made the top 4. reasons were:-
"spicey but Pricey"
Quote"The only change from the GTI is the extra power-and paying the best part of £3000 for 30hp doesnt seem good value for money.|The uprated engine TAKES TOO LONG to get into its stride, and we prefer the standard GTI's looks :grin: :grin: :grin:. Boy oh Boy do i feel happy now!.
Well Phil, I am glad you are happy with your GTI and I am sure that the not inconsiderable fact that you have splashed out a load of hard earned dosh on it just before the Edition 30 was announced irks just a tad :grin: :grin: I reckon you're trying very hard to convince yourself that you have got the better deal... All I can say is... enjoy your standard GTI and i'll enjoy my Edition 30 GTI :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:
And to the rest of you Edition 30 detractors, its interesting that such a disappointing car - and I would be the first to agree that it isn't exactly the sort of car I was expecting - has caused such controversy. If you don't want it don't buy it, but stop coming out with long lists of why the standard is better... thats just a psychological ploy to ease the PAIN :grin: :grin: :grin:
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That CAR magazine article is really good...one of my favourite magazines
Great photography and writing, with proper reviews of each car, and not just a rehashed press release that the weekly "comics" of Autoexpress and Autocar usually pump out.
R32 gets a really good write up, as does the Edition 30...new Honda TypeR just pips them all, in their opinion :smiley:
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Why can't we just all get along? :huh: :wink:
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I'm not convinced AE have driven the car again in that group test, they seemed to have ruled it out when they drove the red 5 door from the start.
At least in the CAR test they drove them all back to back. A more honest impression to me.
Dave
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Hey.. I was just joking... :laugh: don't take me seriously. I'm too busy typring up captions for the photos I took on my euro trip - coming soon with pic of dubs from Marrakesh to Turin.
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I reckon the Ed30 will be the better car. it has to be - higher spec all round.
BUT
i didn't want to pay the extra as i didn't feel it was what i wanted. The extra running costs (insurance and fuel) and puchase price ruled it out for me.
Thats where the opinion is in it for me. Does the extra cost for the extra options appeal. Do i want the apparent higher specs for the cost.
Couldn't really say the GTi is the better car, but for some the compramise between performance and cost appeals a tiny bit more.
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Hang on illyun, too right i will enjoy my gti. secondly, this long list bussiness is just whats in print my friend in magazines, so what i put it on here is MY OPINION and if you read my previous thread,you would realise i was satisfying my oppinion and whether or not i spent wisely in the 1st place which i have done, all im saying is, high spec a cheaper gti , add the bits to it, and enjoy it, rather then spending £3000 grand more(which buys you alot of xtras).I couldnt afford to chop mine in and have a rubbish low spec edition 30 after having a high spec standard GTI .if i want xtra horsepower, id pay £407 to MOREGO , but im not interested. 0.3 of a sec for £3000. no thanks. and tartan isnt my thing. !!
Im not as privalaged as you, i know also you said you dont have MORGAGE and such things, whereas i do and cant afford to regually swop cars more times then underwear changes!. Im not envious in ANYWAY my friend, just trying to help anyone whos toying or what to buy themselves and like ive said from the start , both are cracking.
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I dont know whats been put into the water the last couple of days but it certainly seems to be provoking some 'heated' debates :grin:
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After having a test drive in the standard GTI, and as a result ordering an edition 30 I can only say that I loved the standard GTI. :smiley:
Here's hoping that the edition 30 is worth the extra wonga.
I don't have the same problem as others as my TDI is over 2 years old and the whole "should I shouldn't I" didn't even enter the equation.
If the car is as good as CAR magazine says it is then I will be more than a happy bunny :grin: :grin: :grin:
The Auto Express review was complete pants and the journalist who wrote it ought to be completely and utterly ashamed that he called it a 7 car review. He probably only drove 2 or 3 of the cars back to back and didn't compare them for "hot hatchery" and instead dropped off the old excuse of price as a reason for not having to bother with half the cars.
I test drove the Ford ST just for a comparison and it didn't thrill me at all. The interior is both naff and full of cheap plastics, the suspension felt softer (although I have to admit more comfortable for the more mature)
The throttle response was good (but not on par with the golf) and the styling -- ooooh errrrrrghh :sick:
The RS focus looked miles better and IMO it took a step back with the ST.
Ooooh I like a good rant!
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Come on folks the ED30 is £1715 more than the standard GTI. AE say that its £3000, not true. They must have failed their maths exams! :grin:
3 Door GTI = £20,580. + leather £ 1645, + Monza IIs £465 or just Sat Nav @ £1845.
ED30 3 Door = £22,950 18" wheels, half leather & more power.
Both are great cars ( and its nice to see that Phil agrees). I don't have a MKV GTI, a MKIV GT TDI at the moment so its a better buy for me.
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After having a test drive in the standard GTI, and as a result ordering an edition 30 I can only say that I loved the standard GTI. :smiley:
Here's hoping that the edition 30 is worth the extra wonga.
I did the same so I'm also hoping!
I test drove the Ford ST just for a comparison and it didn't thrill me at all. The interior is both naff and full of cheap plastics, the suspension felt softer (although I have to admit more comfortable for the more mature)
The throttle response was good (but not on par with the golf) and the styling -- ooooh errrrrrghh :sick:
The RS focus looked miles better and IMO it took a step back with the ST.
Yes I agree. I went into this thing convinced I was getting focus ST and checked out GTI as a friend convinced me too.
Was completely put off by the SHOCKING interior of the Ford. VERY cheap loooking and feeling.
To be honest I just treated the ED 30 as another (more expensive) option i.e. - got ED 30 instead of sat nav.
At the end of the day they are both GTis so I think we are all winning!
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Hang on illyun, too right i will enjoy my gti. secondly, this long list bussiness is just whats in print my friend in magazines, so what i put it on here is MY OPINION and if you read my previous thread,you would realise i was satisfying my oppinion and whether or not i spent wisely in the 1st place which i have done, all im saying is, high spec a cheaper gti , add the bits to it, and enjoy it, rather then spending £3000 grand more(which buys you alot of xtras).I couldnt afford to chop mine in and have a rubbish low spec edition 30 after having a high spec standard GTI .if i want xtra horsepower, id pay £407 to MOREGO , but im not interested. 0.3 of a sec for £3000. no thanks. and tartan isnt my thing. !!
Im not as privalaged as you, i know also you said you dont have MORGAGE and such things, whereas i do and cant afford to regually swop cars more times then underwear changes!. Im not envious in ANYWAY my friend, just trying to help anyone whos toying or what to buy themselves and like ive said from the start , both are cracking.
Firstly Phil, enjoy your GTI - I'm sure that a lot of us, including me, spend hard earned cash, even if it stretches our bank balance, because we want to drive a car that we enjoy and not just something that takes us from A to B... otherwise we wouldn't be on this board.
Secondly, I don't really take all this seriously, but if I did I would be the first to admit that in all honesty, you and some magazines do make strong and valid points about the lost opportunity that is the Edition 30, but for me its a piece of history which I intend to keep and cherish and drive sparingly (also, your points aren't strong enough to put me off buying one because I'm also a badge snob and have to have that 'limited' model with the potential of 307bhp on tap :laugh: )
Thirdly, I'm not Pikey (with reference to the guy who got on the wrong side of The Doc a year back) nor am I Teutonic/Creepy who seem to like a good slanging match even though from what I've read, I have to agree with Teutonic on the issue of aftermarket Xenons.
Fourthly, I haven't got a mortgage etc... because I have - probably foolishly - spent money on cars, or to be precise, VW Golf GTIs, although thats something I aim to rectify - with trepedition - this year hopefully...
Fifthly, yes I'm afraid that despite the nasty Pescara's and the underwhelming interior, the Edition 30 is better than the standard GTI although I acknowledge that some people prefer lesser models and that really is ok with me. :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin:
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I dont know whats been put into the water the last couple of days but it certainly seems to be provoking some 'heated' debates :grin:
Ohh - my Mrs has ran out of Bromide, that is why I have risen to these sauna like posts.
fx/on <gets my coat . . .> fx/off
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cheers illyun,was not calling you a "pikey", seriously i hope the edition30 is better then what the mags are saying, if in a year or so's time when the 1st years depreation happens, then i WILL BE looking for a good spec 30 and bag a bargain,kinda what i done with the current car), u cant beat the need for speed!, im like you, would like the "have nows", and ive been in and out of dealers just looking at edition 30's of late (DONT TELL THE WIFE), so you can tell us all about any niggles you find so ill know what to avoid! :wink:
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Thirdly, I'm not Pikey (with reference to the guy who got on the wrong side of The Doc a year back) nor am I Teutonic/Creepy who seem to like a good slanging match even though from what I've read, I have to agree with Teutonic on the issue of aftermarket Xenons.
fx/on <picks oneself up off the floor from a low blow> fx/off :undecided: :undecided:
Hmmmmm - - - I don't know which way to take that - PM me if you like! :smiley:
Rgds
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cheers illyun,was not calling you a "pikey", seriously i hope the edition30 is better then what the mags are saying, if in a year or so's time when the 1st years depreation happens, then i WILL BE looking for a good spec 30 and bag a bargain,kinda what i done with the current car), u cant beat the need for speed!, im like you, would like the "have nows", and ive been in and out of dealers just looking at edition 30's of late (DONT TELL THE WIFE), so you can tell us all about any niggles you find so ill know what to avoid! :wink:
LOL :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin: I didn't say you called me Pikey... there was some forum member with the alias 'Pikey' who really wound the Doc up so much that the Doc warned him to calm down as they might meet one day!
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I dont know whats been put into the water the last couple of days but it certainly seems to be provoking some 'heated' debates :grin:
God all this fun i've been missing whilst offshore! :laugh: