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Model specific boards => Golf mk5 => Topic started by: Phil mcavity on 30 January 2007, 20:34
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Went to my local dealers today and saw a Red 3 door edition 30 on the forecourt looking all shiny. After reading all the posts and seeing the photos on here,i have to say i was gutted that his model was released after i had payed £22500 for a high spec laser blue gti just a few months before. I was though after seeing it, dissapointed about the way it looked, i parked my gti along side it and to be honest (and even the salesmen said) to look at the standard gti with Monza 18's on looks STILL looks better then the ed 30. Those pescara wheels look shockingly poor, the interior didnt look as "in ya face" red stitching as the photos made it, and those tartan seats arent to everyones choice, full leather imo still would of been better,
I came to the conclusion after seeing it, i was abit disapointed that the ed 30 wasnt that much a step up from my current mk 5 GTI as i'd hoped It would be,and that if your buying your 1st mk 5 golf gti , it would be a great buy, but for those peeps that have a near new GTI , And thinking of a part ex deal , then it really isnt worth spending at minimum of 5 grand to change it.Maybe more viable after say a year or so when more 2nd handers start to appear on vw uks website. £23 grand for a gti is imo still is too much for an already overpriced car at £21000 for a standard basic one(before spec'ing it)
Me Thinks ill keep my old girl for a wee while longer!! :smiley:
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each to there own, i personaly love the edition 30 :cool:
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Agreed BMX, I have owned the new GTI two years, and seeing the Black ED30, it looks the business (even the wheels). :wink:
I am not disappointed to be upgrading, it's not just the looks - the Performance will be better.
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I agree with Phil, the wheels on the ED 30 look crap, when I look at them I get visions of the boy racers who put wheels like that on their Saxos and Puntos back in the 90s. Don't call me a grandad, cos I'm only 29!
Personally I think the red switching, although retro, is a little overboard, but then I guess they have to make it look different from standard.
on the other hand the colour coding looks the business, as the black rear valence looks crap on light coloured standard cars, no matter what model.
but then the extra 30BHP is perhaps worth the extra cash. does anyone know if this extra power will bump it up an extra insurance group?
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well we all have our own opinion, thats just mine, 30hp more, some red stitching and pimply gear knob and some poor looking wheels, its not worth the xtra £. if i want mine to go faster , then id spend £407 on a morego upgrade.
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It may be the edition 30 may be up a bracket to group 18, same as the r32
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well we all have our own opinion, thats just mine, 30hp more, some red stitching and pimply gear knob and some poor looking wheels, its not worth the xtra £. if i want mine to go faster , then id spend £407 on a morego upgrade.
Ahh but you don't get that feeling of being superior to those unfortunates that don't own an ed30. lol. :tongue:
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yes but all the shock when a ed 30 owner wonders why he couldnt beat a dsg gti off the lights. they would head back to the dealer demanding their money back!!
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I agree with you in some ways Phil. The Monza IIs are the best wheels VW have done in a long while. They are the perfect wheels for the GTI. If the Pesci's were BBS CH's in a light metalic finish would they look better. I think the BBS Motorsport typography on the wheel adds something to them. This car look very well with the BBS CK wheels in anthracite.
http://www.parts4vws.com/registry/registry_detail.asp?MemberCarID=12110
I was looking for a GTi with Monza IIs and leather. But........ For £1700 more for the ED30 you can have half leather, 18" wheels and more power included in the warranty. I know that you can get a remap with the suppliers own warrenty. But this power upgrade is from the manufacturer. SO for just a little more than the price of a leather interior its not too bad. Mind you BMW only charge £995 for full leather on the 3 series sport or £1300 on the SE. Leather is standard on the Audi A3 S line. (But the car costs more :wink: but you can get a discount). VW leather IMPO feels very hard, cardboard? The leather on the wifes Merc is much better quality. :shocked: Don't get me started, went to the Seat garage this weekend and the Leon FR TFSI DSG only costs £900 more not £1400 more like on the GTI!! :angry:
Anyway rant over. The GTI is a very expensive car and I think that VW are pushing it when compared to the Focus ST with regards to price. But I love the looks of the GTI and its great to drive,it makes me buzz like my old MK2 GTI did.
Mind you the wife thinks I'm nuts spending all this money on a car :shocked:
Anyway rant over. Each to their own Phil and I know that you like your GTI as your on here so often.
After that I need a beer..............
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The ED 30 is group 18
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cheers Tag, hope your enjoyin your nice cold bubbly beer, " women go get me a drink!" :wink:
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Cheers have one on me :wink:
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In the lastest What Car mag they list the Edition 30 as a Group 17 for insurance, same as the standard GTI. Should help a little for the resale values down the line as well as keep the insurance costs same as the GTI.
Anyway, always possible What Car have the details wrong but normally they pretty good on this type of detail,
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Maybe I'm too much a businessman.
I bought a 5d GTI manaul, which is now 15 months old and done 23k. I save £1200 going for a manual and understand that an ed 30 is about 2k more than a standard GTi.
So - call it a £3200 saving - for that I could do a revo tune (£500+ VAT) taking it to 265Bhp and put alot of fuel in the tank. I challenge anyone in a DSG to be faster than my standard golf away from the lights - learn to drive your cars guys.
Official figures: .3 sec? Thats a good start with little wheelspin (which is probs where the DSG makes its gains).
Save some dosh - buy a standard GTi with a standard (and stronger gearbox), Revo it (if you want), and enjoy feeling that you're driving the car - not the computer.
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Must admit I love my standard manual GTI, but I agree that it was/is overpriced (particularly when specced with extras - mine was £25k when bought new :shocked:
Equally, I am not that impressed with the Edition 30 and it looks even more overpriced to me.
Each to their own though :wink:
Cass
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ok for a start you cant compare standard with modified,
so the edition 30 is more powerfull.
the price of most remaps is £580 inc vat plus the usuall extra insurance at around £100 per year, and as mentioned before engine,
ecu and gearbox/drive train warrantee will be void with VW
but if you were to compare modified with modified then thats standard gti remaped 250 bhp and edition 30 remaped 310bhp
the difference in price is £1250 if you put 18 inch alloys on a standard gti.
wheels are a matter of taste, (i personally dont care for the monzas. prefer the pescaras)
what you get for your £1250 extra then :-
heated seats
leather interior with tartan seat centers
edition 30 sills
edition 30 badges
red stitched steering wheel
golf ball gear knob with red stitched gaitor
red edged mats
deeper front spoiler
different rear valance
colour coded body parts
different tfsi engine, with larger turbo, stronger block, pistons, rods, head, larger vol injectors, etc
30bhp extra
tinted rear light clusters
so to clarify
gti with 18"s and a remap is £21625.00
ed30 with 18"s £22295 ( £670 difference )
hope thats cleared up things for anyone that was unsure about what the extra money was for :wink:
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bmx, your missing the whole point here,£23000 for a gti is far too high for a car thats not worth EVEN MORE money then the 1st overpriced standard spec car is. I wouldnt have a LOW SPEC edition 30 cus its too pricey, the car only really comes into itself the more you add to it, making it WAY TO EXPENSIVE TO BUY FROM NEW!, best thing imo is to wait and maybe get one after the 1st year bring buying prices down for a HIGH spec gti ed 30 .From what ive seen so far, to get the car with enough bits on it, your paying around £27000!!!!. not worth it imho. I payed £22000 for a 12 month old car, 5000 miles on the clock , with every xtra (except sunroof).Do that with your edition 30 and your talking just under £30000!!!!. thats Audi money,or maybe BMW something or other!!. Or perhaps a high spec R32 , now your talking!
that was the whole point of my post was whether do i chop mine in with all its extras or shell out minimum of 5 grand for a standard ed 30!. NO CHANCE.. Im gonna wait...
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I had the choice of Ed30 in basic trim or slightly specced up GTi for the same money. Self imposed budget meant I didn't want to afford an Ed30 with the spec i wanted on the GTi.
I went with the GTi in the end, would rather have xenons and monza 2's etc than red stitching, prob higher insurance and lower mpg. I do however like the painted skirts and valance, but i still feel most of the money is a brand premium for having a special edition. Some people go for this, I decided not to fall for the hype.
At the end of the day it's my every day car and the running costs are high enough already. Would be very surprised if the Ed30 does not come in at group 18.
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I think its interesting to see all these replies, again probably all if not most from existing GTi owners.
I agree maybe if I aleady had a year or so old GTi I may fell the ED30 is not that special.
However I don't and its my first ever VW GTi.
So I say that the extra dosh is a good buy TBH.
If you tot up the deceant extras you get on the ED30, 18's, heated seats, colour coding, front lip, half leather, then these will go to near justify the extra. The extra trim bits don't and I totally agree, a badge won't full stop.
However the definate nod for the extra dosh is the engine.
It is a bigger Turbo, different block, pistons and re-worked internals. Its been limited to 230bhp, for a reason VW state 30 years, but we all know if the R32 wasn't in production we could have the S3 bhp.
Fact is if it is mapped this will do 300bhp easily.
I'm sure when we all get our cars if they are RR'd they will probably be doing more than 230 anyway.
To me thats worth the extra dosh.
I'm looking forward to my new GTi, but if it had not appreared I still would have gone for a normal GTi, even though I raved to everyone, that they are far too expensive!
Dave
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The ED 30 is group 18
I'm fairly sure its 17. The R32 is 18.
With regards to whether its worth it, I have pretty much done what phil mentinoes above and spec an Ed 30 up to about 26K.
Now that is a lot of money, but to me I think its worth it because I like the GTi for itself.
When you say expensive, its usually a relative thing. e.g. expensive "when compared to a focus", or, "for same money you can get x"
I drove the ST and the interior was shockingly cheap. I'm not particualry bothered if for same money I can get something much faster etc. as I am happy with the GTi.
As this is a car I intend to own for a good few years, it's not so much a problem for me what its up against, as it is still cool in itself.
I think the point about this being my first Gti is also valid. I'm amazed that some people will consider trading in their car every year just to get the latest model.
Anyway. Just another point of view.
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Confirmed again in car mags, edition 30 IS GROUP 18, higher premiums then by about £75-£100 a year OUCH! :shocked:
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Confirmed again in car mags, edition 30 IS GROUP 18, higher premiums then by about £75-£100 a year OUCH! :shocked:
My insurance premium is due to go up from 600 per year on a 4grand mk4 1999 GTi turbo, to £800 on the Ed30. Cant see it being group 18....
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(Those pescara wheels look shockingly poor,)
I think the wheels are smart ,I think their are supposed to be like the original wheels on the Mk1 I'm old enough to remember the first one.
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All I can say guys is "You lucky B******s" I wish I could afford a dilemma like this one.
I didn't like the Mk v gti at first but now I can see what all you guys like about it. What gets me is how big it looks in the flesh compared to my mkiv gti. The good thing is the more you lads buy mkv git's the more second hand ones come on to the market for us the poor relations.
I still think it (the mkv GTI) is expensive £20000 for a bottom spec car is a lot of money when you think about it. I know it has a lot of basic kit but I thought VW would have colour coded the whole body already without bringing out a special edition and charging another £3000 for it.
IMHO I'd buy a nearly new R32 for the same money as a new ed 30 and then you have the ultimate Golf, but what do I know I drive a Mk iv.
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IMO I think vw has made just the right suttle changes to identify the ed30 from the standard gti. What you have to remember is its still only a gti. It maybe over priced, but would you still like to pay more for the same car. if so try buy an A3. Firstly is the alloys you say your car parked next to the ed30 looks much better, well I'm afread thats only a matter of opinion. Standard gti only get 17" monza wheels not 18" which means they were an extra, which imo If possible I woiuld of chosen the ed 30 wheels anyway,
which I think look far better and seperate the ed 30 from the standard gti. If you look at the euro spec ed 30 the gets the monza wheels painted black, now come on thats naff, the ed 30 uk spec wheel take you back to the early 80's which the ed 30 is supposed to be copying as with the tartan seats, there just enough difference to sepatate it from the standard gti and still look old skool. Then theres the power I think the extra premium is worth it for the extra power yes you could get a standard gti mapped/tunned for alot less but would you still have your warrenty? An extra 30ps over the standard gti has unlimited bragging rights down the pub. Then theres the limited numbers which makes it fell that wee bit special.
At the end of the day you's that have standard gti's think your getting your pants pulled down over the price. But as with any special edition it comes with a premium and a premuim that some people are prepared to pay to be exclusive.
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One thing that people keep overlooking when they (rightfully) slate the trim and alloy changes on the Edition 30 is that VW did get something major right with the car. As far as I am aware, the engine code for the Edition 30 is the same as that for the Audi S3 which means uprated pistons etc... which would be VERY expensive to alter on the standard car - all this means that you are not just paying for a re-map which people kep saying... in that light, its a very good car with a bit of a c*ck-up in the aesthetics dept. Heres to 307bhp after a re-map :grin: :grin: :grin: :grin:
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Hi as you will see I know have the Ed 30 on the road and prevously owned a gti. I am well pleased with the Ed 30, the colour coding is a great improvement. I had my doubts about the mixed seats and red stitching but in the flesh it looks and feels great (im looking forward to the summer, no hot sticky bum for me!!) The flares on the rear and front are a nice touch as is the lowered suspension, looks like its dragging on the floor,[remember the ones in the showroom were prob on suspension blocks] only downside you have to remember kerbs in car parks!!
The Ed 30 that I have has DSG and I am really impressed with it as the gti didn't (the launch control is awesome) with the extra hp and launch theres no way I will be sat at the lights when you pull away!!
Again only my biast opinon now I have had the opportunity to try both!!
Jer
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Forgot to mention my insurance from a gti to the ed 30 increased by £65.45 that takes me to 2nd December 2007, I didn't think that was too bad. No mention as to the group difference. I did a run on confused.com (bearing in mind I have 3 points and my wife had a non fault prang in 2005) it came back £427.41 being the cheapest.
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Hi as you will see I know have the Ed 30 on the road and prevously owned a gti. I am well pleased with the Ed 30, the colour coding is a great improvement. I had my doubts about the mixed seats and red stitching but in the flesh it looks and feels great (im looking forward to the summer, no hot sticky bum for me!!) The flares on the rear and front are a nice touch as is the lowered suspension, looks like its dragging on the floor,[remember the ones in the showroom were prob on suspension blocks] only downside you have to remember kerbs in car parks!!
The Ed 30 that I have has DSG and I am really impressed with it as the gti didn't (the launch control is awesome) with the extra hp and launch theres no way I will be sat at the lights when you pull away!!
Again only my biast opinon now I have had the opportunity to try both!!
Jer
Nice to hear some positive feedback on Ed 30,
Thanks for that mate.
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Forgot to mention my insurance from a gti to the ed 30 increased by £65.45 that takes me to 2nd December 2007, I didn't think that was too bad. No mention as to the group difference. I did a run on confused.com (bearing in mind I have 3 points and my wife had a non fault prang in 2005) it came back £427.41 being the cheapest.
So how can I have the cheapest quote be over a grand when I have a clean licence and 3 years no claims?
I don't understand how they work this out sometimes.
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Intereting thread this, as my Gti's was a year old last saturday, I thought while I was a the dealer having it serviced for the first time, I'd ask about a test drive in an R32, that was until I got the saleman to give me a trade in value on mine.
2006 3 door
Steel Grey
Leather
Winter pack
18" Monza's
Centre armrest
7400 miles
Cruise
Mint condition
Wait for it.... :tongue:
£15500k, I paid £23k, so in a yearit's lost £7500k :shocked:
Don't get me wrong I love my GTi, but that's a big hit in a year.
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welcome to the used car world! thats very low, you'd get a lot more privately.
My sister has just sold her 54 reg clio dci 80, only 13,000 miles, which list price 2 years ago was £11k, she paid £9,200 and just sold it for £5,750, thats a b!tch!
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i also went into vw yesturday and made an enquiry, mine is an 05 plate, with stack loads of extras, all they would give me for mine is £18000, i payed £22500 in september 06, the salesmen said theres not much difference in his opinion, apart from the horsepower and some spray paint and stitching.!! so for me to get in an edition 30 with same spec as my current one, would set me back... wait for it £29200 approx!!!!!!, I'LL THINK I WILL PASS THIS ONE!!!. and wait for a 1 year old bus later on, and when the wife lets me!!
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Ok huys.
Will be picking up the ED30 Friday morning :laugh:
2 Days to wash it and PDI it though..... :undecided:
Daz
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i also went into vw yesturday and made an enquiry, mine is an 05 plate, with stack loads of extras, all they would give me for mine is £18000, i payed £22500 in september 06, the salesmen said theres not much difference in his opinion, apart from the horsepower and some spray paint and stitching.!! so for me to get in an edition 30 with same spec as my current one, would set me back... wait for it £29200 approx!!!!!!, I'LL THINK I WILL PASS THIS ONE!!!. and wait for a 1 year old bus later one, and when the wife lets me!!
Did you buy your for a bargin price then Phil, only I'd have thought £17.5k would have been about right for mine, as they have the same year and milage on their forecourts for £20k +
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i payed £22500 for mine, it was 14 months old, 6000 miles on the clock already, still with 8mm of tread on origonal tyres so carefully driven, mint condition and has the following spec, compare whats im mine to yours and maybe you'll see the reason for higher trade in:
2005 gti
05 plate
6000 miles on the clock
5 DOOR
DSG gearbox
pearlesent laser blue,
18' monza's
Sat nav
cruise control
Full leather
6 disc and centre arm rest
bi xeon lights
Winter pack
Luxery pack 2, (dimming elctric fold mirrors)
multi funtion wheel
highline computer
Reason i guess is yours was from new, main depreciation is in 1st yr. mine new would of cost £28000 due to extras and not £23000
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Phew... I knew I did the right thing when I sold my GTI for 17k last October... I had it 6 months and did 15k miles in it and paid 21k for it :grin: :grin:
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i payed £22500 for mine, it was 14 months old, 6000 miles on the clock already, still with 8mm of tread on origonal tyres so carefully driven, mint condition and has the following spec, compare whats im mine to yours and maybe you'll see the reason for higher trade in:
2005 gti
05 plate
6000 miles on the clock
5 DOOR
DSG gearbox
pearlesent laser blue,
18' monza's
Sat nav
cruise control
Full leather
6 disc and centre arm rest
bi xeon lights
Winter pack
Luxery pack 2, (dimming elctric fold mirrors)
multi funtion wheel
highline computer
Reason i guess is yours was from new, main depreciation is in 1st yr. mine new would of cost £28000 due to extras and not £23000
Yeah that's a big spec, makes more sense to me now. oh well I'll go and lick my wounds :cry:
I think I'll cancel the test drive in the R32, better to have lost a lump on a car you like, than one your not keen on.
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id say hold onto it creepy, before your know it the MARK 6 golf is out next year so all those edition 30's will be outa date also! :grin: digs at illyan
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id say hold onto it creepy, before your know it the MARK 6 golf is out next year so all those edition 30's will be outa date also! :grin: digs at illyan
:smiley: Yep I'll keep her for a while longer, just getting itchy feet, it's that time of year :rolleyes:
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My dealer warned me not to buy lots of options when I bought my 06 GTI as they don't make much difference at trade in - thank God I listened. My only options were what I considered good value ones that either didn't cost much or enhanced the desirability of the car - Highline MFA, 18" Monza's, Autoglym (stupid decision - only worth it if I was to keep the car), front centre arm rest and diamond black paint - and thats it.
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id say hold onto it creepy, before your know it the MARK 6 golf is out next year so all those edition 30's will be outa date also! :grin: digs at illyan
lol :grin: :grin: :grin: I've got a feeling that the Mk5 will be a classic - like the Mk2 GTI - and the Edition 30 will probably be considered like the 16v version of the Mk2. The cost-cutting doesn't bode well for the Mk6 but I may be wrong... However, unless VW bring out a stripped hardcore GTI - do pigs fly? - it won't really impress me. I reckon the Mk6 will be a Mk5+ - i.e. a facelift model - with inferior build quality.
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me thinks your right illyan , i heard the same, cost-cutting and lots of it, if vw are gonna compete with its rivals , ie ford vauxhall, honda, they will never sell large volumes of car at way higher prices then the competition are doing currently
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Fellas,
last November I traded my GTi in to my local dealer against my Edition 30, think its here now :grin: I go and see it on Saturday am. My GTi was nearly 2 yrs old, 5 door met blue with 6 cd and centre armrest, 22,000 miles. I was given £15,500 for the car, so dont let them rip you off at the dealer make them have it mate or walk away .