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Model specific boards => Golf mk2 => Topic started by: firstVW on 27 August 2006, 17:30
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Greatings fellow dubbers!
Im the proud new owner of a 1989 1.6 driver :grin:. its alredy got weber carbs, induction kit and full s/s zorst and is pretty nice to drive but a bit more power is needed. its been dyno'd at 94bhp but i want to get it closer to 120bhp. Was thinkin gti cams and manifold? Anybody with any ideas about the power gains and price please help me out!?! And of course if u have any other ideas i'll b gratefull.
Thanks people!
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i don't mean to seem like an arogant cock or anything, but
If you are wanting about 120bhp, why didn't you just get a GTi in the firts place :undecided:
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Believe me lofty i'd love too. There are a few reasons why i havn't. I was desperate for a golf and preferably one that already looked and sounded quite nice as im saving money to go travelling at the moment so didnt want to spend much on mods. The one i found is beautiful and i had a huge grin on my face for the first week i had it, the grin is now a moderately sized one. The car was only 800 and im payin 900 for insurance. Insurance on a gti would be a bit too much and dont think i would find one that looked this good for the same money. i figure by just makin this one a bit faster the huge grin will return to my face and my hard earned notes will stay in my wallet! Thats my theory anyway. If u have any other views or contradictions let me know.
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Yes Gti cam and manifiold will help. Although i would doubt you will be close to 120bhp with those.
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scrap the webber put on a scirocco 18 gti carb! alls you have to do is fit a manual choke! mate did it on his 1.6 driver and it was wasting gti's all day long and up the old 1/4 mile pod!
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i got myself a mint 8v gti for 500 and my insuracne is 900 with ncb...
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Short of changing the bottom end, high lift or even wild cams, changing the injectors, basically a engine swap i doubt you will get much closer to 120.
Unless you pay for it to be put on carbs, and even then the risk of it snapping the manifold consistently is pretty high. I would concentrate more on getting it cosmetically right, and how you would want it before touching the engine, then you may well be a few years older and have enough cash to get a gti, or do a complete engine swap.
Oh and by the way, ignore yellow, he doesn't know much, and is generally consider a dick on this place.
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Thanks guys, opened my eyes to a few things. Unfortunately/ fortunately its cosmetically how i want it so i guess im just gonna be twiddlin my fingers for a while! Yeah i thought 120 was a bit optimistic from cams and manifold but wanted to check with people who know more than i do about vw's. Just wanna say this is my first little forum thing and you guys are great! Know its a sunday afternoon but response times are super quick still!!!
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Lofty, not meanin to be rude mate but how old are you and who are you insured with? Im 20 and insured by brentacre, wicked guys there that helped me out a lot, but unfortunately i smashed my little clio into a barrier 2yrs ago and the council charged me £2000 for the metre strech of barrier i dented. combined with the price of the written off clio my insurance headed skywards. A gti conversion or 1.8t is the plan for when i get back from travellin but for the moment the 1.6 is stayin where it is.
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Not directed at me i know, but i am only 22 (well as of the 31st i am) carrying an endorsement for speeding on my license as well. With a 2.0ltr valver to drive. Insurance this year went down to £600, which is nice, but i started out the same as you. £1300 my first year on insurance, it's just a case of living with it for a year and then thinking about more serious mods.
Successfully hijacked by moi i do believe. :cool:
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Lofty, not meanin to be rude mate but how old are you and who are you insured with? Im 20 and insured by brentacre, wicked guys there that helped me out a lot, but unfortunately i smashed my little clio into a barrier 2yrs ago and the council charged me £2000 for the metre strech of barrier i dented. combined with the price of the written off clio my insurance headed skywards. A gti conversion or 1.8t is the plan for when i get back from travellin but for the moment the 1.6 is stayin where it is.
21...been driving 3 years and the last claim was for some sucker trying to steal my car...and i am with elephant
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Cheers Slick, Lofty. That was the thought rollin round the back of my mind i just didn't wanna accept it! :cry:
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I hope you're declaring these engine modifcations...
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yeah mate, all declared.
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Do you declare all slick? Youve got cams and stuff in yours havent you?
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Mines all declared just cos i can't be bothered with the hassle of it all if something was to go tits up.
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So what exactly have you decalared? who are you with?
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Ah.. if only I had a £1 for everyone who suggests getting a GTi if you've got a Driver, a 16V if you've got an 8V, a 2L 16V if you've a Std 16V , or a VR6  or a Saturn 5 etc etc etc.
If you want more go from a Driver fit a GTi cam, which is a cheap and fairly simple job. I'm not sold on changing the manifold unless you've done other mods. From there it depends on how much you want to spend. I'm building a 2L block with a modded late GTi head and either a 266 or 276 cam. And that little lot should give me something approaching 130bhp and a nice pile of torque.
Sure I could go get a 16V or fit another engine but I don't want to, I like the simplicity of a carb after having had K-jet and Digifant fun and games in the past. Oh and I'm putting the Driver badges back on, because there's nothing like a Q car for p***ing Mercs and Beemers off.
Barkstar  :nerd:
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All I can say to you Driver owners is.... Get a real car. And a job. You student hippes.
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All I can say to you Driver owners is.... Get a real car. And a job. You student hippes.
Oh there's always one. Actually sunshine I'm old enough to be most folk on here's Dad, never a student or a hippy and if I want to go quicker than your GTi - regardless of what's in it - I'll get one of the bikes out.
Barkstar :nerd:
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All I can say to you Driver owners is.... Get a real car. And a job. You student hippes.
:grin:
Each to his own really, the 90 spec 8v GTI is one of the best bases for most engine conversions, as it already has the MK3 engine loom, and the digifant fuel system needed for most later engines. It also has all the nice extras that you need to work hard to fit on a Driver (even though though I basically turned mine into a GTI with a 1.6 engine and suspension!)
Most notibly a decent ratio gearbox, ARBs & rear discs! Not that any of that are essential but ARBs at least make a big difference to the way the Golf drives, and its nice to not have to mess about dropping the subframe!
The advantage of buying a driver is generally they are easier to find in good unmolested condition, GTIs tend to have passed through the hads of at least 1 chav and a clueless muppet with just enough car maintenance knowledge to be dangerous!
My 1.6 Driver was a dream to work on, everything was where it should be, and my current GTI was an absolute nightmare with lots of horrible bodges and nasty 'fixes' which had to be undone.
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Cheers barkstar, rubjonny. Sounds like good advice from people who know their stuff, which is just what i need! What other mods do you think would justify a gti manifold?
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Ah.. if only I had a £1 for everyone who suggests getting a GTi if you've got a Driver, a 16V if you've got an 8V, a 2L 16V if you've a Std 16V , or a VR6 or a Saturn 5 etc etc etc.
If you want more go from a Driver fit a GTi cam, which is a cheap and fairly simple job. I'm not sold on changing the manifold unless you've done other mods. From there it depends on how much you want to spend. I'm building a 2L block with a modded late GTi head and either a 266 or 276 cam. And that little lot should give me something approaching 130bhp and a nice pile of torque.
Sure I could go get a 16V or fit another engine but I don't want to, I like the simplicity of a carb after having had K-jet and Digifant fun and games in the past. Oh and I'm putting the Driver badges back on, because there's nothing like a Q car for p***ing Mercs and Beemers off.
Barkstar :nerd:
so you have tuned a driver just so you can have a carb? and it wont be a q car lol
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All I can say to you Driver owners is.... Get a real car. And a job. You student hippes.
oy im a (25yr old) student hippie and i have a gti and a old skool beetle........
cheeky fecker
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so you have tuned a driver just so you can have a carb? and it wont be a q car lol
I got the Driver because I couldn't find a GTi locally that wasn't a heap and I need a car sharpish. I was £300 with loads of ticket and came with a GTi cam and Weber already fitted. After a world of hurt with a k-jet Mk1 and Digipants Toledo I'm more than happy with a carb but I didn't set out to get one. It's pretty much as quick as a GTi and has most of the extras you get with a GTi anyway so why change? I've never spent a lot on a car - never saw the point - and I'm a habitual modder, the only one I've had that stayed std was the Toledo.
I haven't done anything to the outside, so no big bumpers and fat alloys, so it looks like an old Golf shopping trolley, once it's got the 2L in I'd call it a Q car. In the words of a certain Mr Clarkson 'looks ordinary but goes like a rat up your trousers'. :wink:
To answer firstVW's question. Well with a GTi cam fitted you might get a bhp or two more with a GTi manifold and it's downpipe (can't have one without t'other) but it's a bit of a job to change unless you've got access to a garage ramp. And as your Driver is a 1.6 you'll need to alter the exhaust system where it meets the downpipe as the GTi and 1.8 Drivers are a bigger diameter. If you fitted a ported head, 2L block or a lumpy cam the std manifold will start to restrict things. If you have the motor out or the head off it's easy to change and they're not expensive 2nd hand but otherwise I'd leave it be. Once you've changed the cam I'd look at uprating the suspension.
Barkstar :nerd:
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Make sure the Weber is jetted right - a good dyno shop will tell you that. If you're into dyno-ing it then feed it on 97 or 98RON fuel and advance the ignition and you might well get a bit more power...... just remember to feed it on super the whole time if you're advancing it.
You could also try competition digital ignition like MegaSpark which will allow a much more accurate advance curve and give you better power.
Obviously you HAVE told your insurance company about all of these drivetrain mods, right?
And you HAVE fitted vented 239discs on the front to bring it to a stop better?
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Barkstar, iv got koni dampers on the rear and and fully adjustable sports springs and shocks up front, will this do?
Diamond hell, only had it a few weeks but always put super unleaded in. The guy that owned it before said that was all he put in it too. Insurance company know about all mods and its got drilled or vented 239discs, can't remember which.
And bradsmk2gti, we all have to start somewhere and for some of us just owning a golf is enough. Oh and im pretty sure it is a real car, yep, engine, chassis, steering wheel, wheels and it moves too, miracle! And i don't quite know how i got here, considering i dont have a 'real car', but i seem to be at work!
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because there's nothing like a Q car for p***ing Mercs and Beemers off.
Barkstar :nerd:
Is that BMW 316's and nothing else then?
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Is that BMW 316's and nothing else then?
The 316s are not problem now :grin:, and I'm not talking 100mph plus races on the motorway, or traffic light grand prixs. I'm talking about real roads (and the Wilmslow bypass :wink:) and being that irritating old Golf that's still in the rear view mirror. I've got the handling nicely set up and just need a bit more grunt on the uphill bits.
It'll be no ultimate but you still see plenty of old Golfs tootling to the shops and it looks just like that, only it doesn't go like that or get driven like that either. Your 20VT doubtless goes like the clappers but it looks like it should do as well. I've had better Q cars in the past but I'm happy getting the drop on cars that should be quicker and cost 50 times as much.
Funny how a Driver that'll end up as least as quick as a std 16V attracts so many witty remarks - when no one ever says a 16V is slow. Funny old world.
Barkstar :nerd:
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yeah but if you put that much effort into a 16v it would be quicker still. anyway your driver is basically a 2.0 8v gti now which isnt really a driver
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There's some interesting insurance quotes on this thread :grin:
Modified motors driven by you young people, certainly getting good deals.
I pay 300 quid for the Audi and i'm 32 with full ncb, i though that was good :laugh: