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Model specific boards => Golf mk3 => Topic started by: Trigga on 18 July 2006, 23:36
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Ok so i started my search off with full intentions of getting a Mk3 GTI and nothing else came into the picture as ive always wanted a GOLF since i was a teenager but 2 months of searching later and having only looking at 3 golfs so far ( On a budget of 2k and im after a black 3 door only ) none of which were worthy of my 2 grand, frustration has began to kick in and im feeling myself being drawn towards the 306 GTI-6, which seems to be a nice little (fast and stylish) motor and a good one can be picked up for around 1500-2k quite easily.
I suppose my question is has anybody owned both or drove both of these cars ? What are the pros and cons of each ? I know at the end of the day it comes down to personal preference but i just need some second opinions to help with my decision. Thanks
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A peugeot is a nice quick car, but it ain't a Golf ! Spec is the biggest difference i guess, but the Pug has more electrics to go wrong ! and they will....!
They have good engines, but so do a lot of other cars.
You may regret buying a French peice of poo.....! :laugh:
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No comparison in the driving stakes - the 306 is a proper hot hatch.
However, they are also prone to major failures (engine / transmission) and all the other niggles you would also get with a mk3 gti. Also worth considering that shagged out suspension gear on a 8 year old 306 may well ruin the once sublime chassis.
If you get a good one (BIG IF!!), and enjoy driving the twisty lanes, the 306 is the one. The Golf is probably a better ownership proposition - and its a Golf :smiley:
PS - also conside an earlier (phase one) 306 XSi
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the 306 gti-6 was ment to be one of the best all round hot hatchs of the 90's! good engine and with the six speed box you have a real scorcher, the only thing with pugs is the build is pritty poo but if your after a hot hatch then it is the one to go for, but if your after a well built respected motor get the mk3 and tune it! or get the 306 keep it a year then get a vr6! :smiley:
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You're in luck, I've had both!!! :smug:
Well, I've had 4 Mk3 GTis, a 306 GTi6 and a 306 XSi so here goes;
The Golf is better built, no question but the 306 beats it on the handling stakes easily. The GTi6 is real fast, feels very light on the road but is actually slightly heavier than the Golf. If you go for the GTi6 ignore the tyre pressure recommendations and drop them by 2 psi all round for better feel. The car can get a bit unsettled after fast progress through a tight S bend, Skip Brown (THE Peugeot/Talbot guru based on the A49 between Tarporley and Warrington) has known them go off into the scenery backwards but only when giving it loads, and I mean LOADS.
Head gaskets can be a problem at about the 50K mark for some reason, getting a non thrashed example is the tricky bit. You could always look out for the rallye version (6 speed, no aircon, windy windows, 100KG ish lighter) or the earlier 306 S16 which doesn't get the 6 speed box and only has 155 brake, the later GTi6/rallye get 167 BHP. Whilst we are talking about the gearbox, because of the lengthening of the gearbox to accept the extra cog it ruins the turning circle so parking can be a real pain.
I think at this point I'm really supposed to say get a VR6 or Golf GTi 16v, but why not have a look round and see if theres something that suits you better. Probably the best option is to go for the later XSi with the 16v engine, shouldn't of been thrashed so much, still gets great handling and will be cheaper to run and insure. For the money you want to spend you might be getting into a world of trouble and credit card bills with the GTi6. Lovely cars though.
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Should be able to get a vr6 for 2k now, if you look around enough.
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The Peugeot is the better car!
But not as reliable and an absolute PUG to work on! And if ya dont do the work yourself then its expensive!
So no contest really - Find that Golf!
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Thanks alot ppl, some great advice on here as always. I would still really love to find a Mk3 that i like ( I dont know why but no Mk3 GTI ever looks the same does it lol) but i have to broaden my horizons slightly as i HAVE to have a car by the 8th of August ( New Job etc )
. I think your right on the GTI-6 front most of you, at under 2k i will struggle to find an unraped example and with it being a rare car it may be expensive and slightly more difficult to find parts if anything goes wrong ? but boy it would be fun to drive. A good VR6 for 2k would be very lucky aswell, alot of the OK examples are still fetching 3k plus ( In my area anyway), dont get me wrong i would love a VR6 but i think a more solid MK3 GTI would be the safer and cheaper option for around that price range.
A good call on the XSI 16V i am certainly going to have a look at that model now aswell or im even thinking of the diesel turbo ( if i can find one with air con) as i will only be keeping it for a year or so, untill i have enough money for my MK4 GTI  :laugh: So hopefully either of these cars mentioned will still hold there value in a years time.
Cheers again dudes !!
P.S , Im off to have a look at this MK3 this afternoon , sounds quite promising but the only thing is its a 5 door when id prefer a 3 ,,, ohh well beggers cant be choosers. What do you think ?
http://users.autoexposure.co.uk/classicdd.cfm?Account=AETA62419&VehicleID=AETV825744&Photo=http://users.autoexposure.co.uk/is/remotemanaged/AETA62419/AETV825744_1a.jpg
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1997 P VOLKSWAGEN GOLF 2.0 16V GTi 5 DOOR..RAC INSPECTED 5 Door Hatchback
BLACK METALLIC, 118732 Miles, GREY CLOTH SPORTS SEATS,AIR CONDITIONING,SERVICE HISTORY,ELECTRIC GLASS SUNROOF,ELECTRIC WINDOWS AND DOOR MIRRORS, SONY CD SOUND SYSTEM,DRIVERS AIRBAGS,ALLOY WHEELS,POWER STEERING,ABS,REMOTE LOCKING AND ALARM,HPI CERTIFICATE,MOT TESTED,RAC INSPECTION REPORT,A VERY GOOD GENUINE GTI!!!, £2000
If you want a good reliable motor that you can have a laugh in and not worry about it breaking down you might just of found it.  It looks OK that, std looking with full service history would be exactly what I would look for but check the aircon and sunroof bit as I've never seen one with both but that doesn't mean they don't exist.  Good luck, haggle them down a bit if poss.
306 DT's or the HDi's??  The HDi's are very good, only 90 bhp but loads of torque.  I've got a Seat Toledo 110 TDi and its pretty good through the gears and gives 51 mpg, which is nice.
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iv got 97 5 door 16v with both factory fitted sunroof and aircon.
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Has to be a factory fitted option.
I have air-con but no sunroof. Thats the standard so the sunroof in this case was fitted as a cumstomer extra.
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The Peugeot is the better car!
But not as reliable and an absolute PUG to work on! And if ya dont do the work yourself then its expensive!
So no contest really - Find that Golf!
There's no way the 306 gti 6 is better than a mk3 vr6 :laugh:
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If you are looking elsewhere at peugeots, you can't be a true VW nut.......... :undecided: :huh:
If it's only about speed you're after, you're probably looking at the wrong manufacturer.
Everyone knows that the mk3 is heavy, and tbh the engine technology is old compared to other makes. But they have a uniqueness other cars don't seem to have .
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The Peugeot is the better car!
But not as reliable and an absolute PUG to work on! And if ya dont do the work yourself then its expensive!
So no contest really - Find that Golf!
There's no way the 306 gti 6 is better than a mk3 vr6 :laugh:
There is a way! The Peugeot's chassis is, in terms of feel, adjustability, damping and body control light years ahead of the vr6's.
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True - my 405 Mi16's handling is far superior to any Volkswagen.
But its a pig to maintain!
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a new 306 GTI is sublime. A real hot hatch.
An 8 year old one with 100k may prove to be a total unrewarding headache - thats where the Golf plays its trump card - and I just like the look and solidity of Golfs.
If anyone is sticking resolutley to VR6s mk3 GTis (especially standard set up) and enjoy really hooning around the A roads, you are really missing out. The 306 (and even Focus) chassis is sublime and is an absolute joy to drive quickly.
I have had em all over the years and have always said a Golf mk3 or 4 that has the driving dynamics of a 306 / Focus would be amazing - and in the mk5, we finally have it :smiley:
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Well i went to look at the 5 door yesterday and it was very nice , went well thru the gears nice etc but i think deep down i really want the 3 door version ( Is there much difference between the 8V and 16V ? ) So the search goes on.
I thnk your right about the 306 GTI , I test drove one this morning and it went like shÃÂÂt off a shovel , scarely fast , but even the sales guy there said if your going to buy one be prepared to spend money on it in the future especially if your buying one private for less than 2K. So ill keep my eye out for a decent XSI or DT as that seems a more cheaper and solid option along with the trusty GOLF ..... Ohh well see what the Autotrader brings tomorrow !!
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There's no way the 306 gti 6 is better than a mk3 vr6 :laugh:
Sorry fella, 167 brake is just shy of the VR6 power but add to that a much better chassis and better handling I think you'll find the VR6 is gonna lose through the twisties. I would like to try a VR6 though, see what its like. Personally I prefer the E36 BMW's with 50/50 weight distribution (6 cylinder cars of course).
For a long term proposition though, VW all the way. Saying that, the Focus does apparently have a much better chassis and coming to a series of bends its really irrelavant how much "pub" BHP you've got under the bonnet if 1) you can't drive it and 2) the chassis is old and stodgy.
XSi/DT route is a good option, 16v especially if doing less than 12000 miles per year.
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There's no way the 306 gti 6 is better than a mk3 vr6 :laugh:
For a long term proposition though, VW all the way. Saying that, the Focus does apparently have a much better chassis and coming to a series of bends its really irrelavant how much "pub" BHP you've got under the bonnet if 1) you can't drive it and 2) the chassis is old and stodgy.
XSi/DT route is a good option, 16v especially if doing less than 12000 miles per year.
Couldn't agree more - it all depends whether you really like to 'drive' or cruise. Focus is very rewarding, even in simple 1.6 or 1.8 Zetec trim.
You may find a mint pre facelift (96ish) 306 Xsi with the 8v engine (stacks of torque) for very little money. The immediate post facelift XSi's (16v) lost the side skirts and looked a bit pants without! they regained them later on though..
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Yes mate there is a huge difference between an 8v and a 16v.
No contest 16v every time! And dont let anyone tell ya that an 8v has better low down torque its wrong! It does come in earlier but its not as much!
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You can change the suspension set up on a mk3 easy for under 300 quid.
As for the BHP, the golf mag tested a load of vr6's a few years back, most were coming out around the 190bhp mark, and the 2.8 engine will produce buckets more torque than the 2.0 16v in the 306. VR6's are well known for producing considerably more than the moderate factory estimate.
I've driven a couple of 306 gti 6's and the chassis was good, but the gearboxes were ropey as f**k.
I owned a vr6 for 4 years, there's no way that a 306 gti 6 would of kept up with it on a straight road.
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What issue of the Golf mag was that?
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You can change the suspension set up on a mk3 easy for under 300 quid.
As for the BHP, the golf mag tested a load of vr6's a few years back, most were coming out around the 190bhp mark, and the 2.8 engine will produce buckets more torque than the 2.0 16v in the 306. VR6's are well known for producing considerably more than the moderate factory estimate.
I've driven a couple of 306 gti 6's and the chassis was good, but the gearboxes were ropey as f**k.
I owned a vr6 for 4 years, there's no way that a 306 gti 6 would of kept up with it on a straight road.
It wouldn't have been that far behind on a straight road (how often are you accelerating beyond 100+mph?) and come the twisty bits, well...................................point to point a well driven GTI 6 would laugh at a VR6 Golf, if not a Corrado. Subjectively a Golf VR 6 has so much more engine character, glamour, desirability and ownership friendliness if not quite the stunning overall handling/performance package of the sparky GTI6. You take your pick...................you can't lose here.
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Just stating an opinion.
There's no way a 4 cylinder even tuned lump is gonna keep up with a v6.
Anyway i'm not into VW's that much anymore, i'm in to Audi's, and they have a chassis miles better than any golf including mk2's.
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What issue of the Golf mag was that?
Years ago, i can't remember now.
Apparently OBDII is better tuned than OBDI.
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i'm in to Audi's, and they have a chassis miles better than any golf including mk2's.
I have to admit, my A3 1.8T was absolutely fantastic, the A4 1.8T was OK but not brilliant but it is a bigger and heavier car. I had an Audi 90 2.3 20v many years ago and that was great all round. I find the Golf (mk3) a bit stodgy to be honest and ours only has 70K on it so its hardly knacked.
Of my recent cars probably the best handling would be the 306's followed by the A3. Bigger than that? A 2.0 Zetec Mk3 Mondeo, don't laugh, read the reviews and try one they are pretty suprising though the bends. E39 528iSE BMW wasn't too shabby either but the Mondeo just had more feel.
Yes, I've had a lot of cars. I'm currently on #49 which is a diesel Toledo, its brilliant not going to fill up every week as I can get upto 600 miles from a 55 litre tank. But, its soul less and boring which is great for my 112 mile motorway commute at motorway-ish speeds.
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Just stating an opinion.
There's no way a 4 cylinder even tuned lump is gonna keep up with a v6.
Anyway i'm not into VW's that much anymore, i'm in to Audi's, and they have a chassis miles better than any golf including mk2's.
Your statements concerning 4 cylinder cars versus V6's are ludicrous and unfounded. As for your sentence on Audi's chassis being "better than any Golf's including the MK2's" you are clearly certifiable. Audi has only built one clearly resolved chassis since the original (ur Quattro) and that's the new RS4. Every Audi in between has had either spring and damper resolution issues or lifeless steering.
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well sum1's talkin boll**ks, speaking from experience of having both cars, a VR6 would piss all over a 306 gti-6, straight line or not, the only "pugrot" thats ever been built from the factory, that would touch VR, is a "T-16 205", of which your not likely to ever see, let alone own....
the only other "Pugrot" that would beat a VR, is an MI-16 205, Having also built and owned 1 of those, thats the only car i've ever had, that would beat a VR on acceleration and there's not really alot that would've stuck with that, especially round corners....
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Just stating an opinion.
There's no way a 4 cylinder even tuned lump is gonna keep up with a v6.
Anyway i'm not into VW's that much anymore, i'm in to Audi's, and they have a chassis miles better than any golf including mk2's.
pmsl, you obviously, know what yer on about don't ya...... :grin: :grin: :grin:
"NOT"
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Just stating an opinion.
There's no way a 4 cylinder even tuned lump is gonna keep up with a v6.
Anyway i'm not into VW's that much anymore, i'm in to Audi's, and they have a chassis miles better than any golf including mk2's.
Your statements concerning 4 cylinder cars versus V6's are ludicrous and unfounded. As for your sentence on Audi's chassis being "better than any Golf's including the MK2's" you are clearly certifiable. Audi has only built one clearly resolved chassis since the original (ur Quattro) and that's the new RS4. Every Audi in between has had either spring and damper resolution issues or lifeless steering.
A 4 cylinder engine will not and cannot produce as much torque as a v6 motor, thats a fact.
As for chassis on the Audi versus VW, every golf since mk2 has a chassis like a boat, so not much to compare to really.
Try the old Audi 90 20v quattro for example, miles better handling than most newer cars. Plenty other Audi models have good setups to.
I would say both the Audi coupe quattro and the Audi 90 quattro have a least as good a chassis as a mk2, if not better, and having owned 3 mk2's and a mk3 golf, plus a few Audi's i should know what i'm talking about. I have also driven a few pug 306's including a couple of gti 6's.
Out of interest, have you actually owned any of the cars you are talking about?
And yes i must be mad for thinking an Audi Quattro is good handling car!!!!
Yeah alright mate :grin:
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Just stating an opinion.
There's no way a 4 cylinder even tuned lump is gonna keep up with a v6.
Anyway i'm not into VW's that much anymore, i'm in to Audi's, and they have a chassis miles better than any golf including mk2's.
pmsl, you obviously, know what yer on about don't ya...... :grin: :grin: :grin:
"NOT"
Thats a convincing argument!!!
Would you like to explain yourself? :rolleyes:
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Conclusive and independant proof:
http://www.306gti6.com/forum/showthread.php?id=46322&page=last
Sorry fellas, if you want the fastest car through the bends you bought the wrong one...
I also posted the question on another independant forum and the responses were 10-1 for the 306. So, in summary, the 306 GTi6 is better than the GTi 8/16v and better than the VR6 too.
I'd still rather have the Golf though, better long term proposition.
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A 4 cylinder engine will not and cannot produce as much torque as a v6 motor, thats a fact.
OK fact boy explain this then......
Engine specifications of 2 rather decent German car manufacturers Both made about the same time (early 1990Â’s). Theres so little to tell these two apart on paper other than the number of cylinders.
Engine
Engine Configuration I
Cylinders 4
Water-Cooled
Aspiration/Induction Normal
Displacement 2992.00 cc | 182.6 cu in. | 3 L.
Valves 16 valves.
4 valves per cylinder.
Valvetrain DOHC
Horsepower 208.00 BHP (153.1 KW) @ 5800.00 RPM
Torque 207.00 Ft-Lbs (280.7 NM) @ 4100.00 RPM
HP to Weight Ratio 13.8 LB / HP (Vehicles with similar ratio)
HP / Liter 69.3 BHP / Liter
Bore 4.09 in | 103.9 mm.
Stroke 3.46 in | 87.9 mm.
Compression Ratio 10.9:1
Main Bearings 5
Fuel Type Gasoline - Petrol
Fuel Feed DME ignition - fuel injection
Engine
Engine Configuration I
Cylinders 6
Engine Aluminum cross-flow bridge
Aspiration/Induction Normal
Displacement 2964.00 cc | 180.9 cu in. | 3 L.
Valves 24 valves.
4 valves per cylinder.
Valvetrain DOHC
Horsepower 228.00 HP (167.8 KW) @ 6300.00 RPM
Torque 201.00 Ft-Lbs (272.6 NM) @ 4600.00 RPM
HP / Liter 76.0 BHP / Liter
Bore 3.48 in | 88.4 mm.
Stroke 3.16 in | 80.3 mm.
Compression Ratio 10.0:1
Fuel Type Gasoline - Petrol
If you want to look the figures up for yourself thats a Mercedes SL300 and a Porsche 944s2 a 3 litre BMW of a similar age would show similar figures too.
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Oh and in answer to the initial question, shopping on a budget of £2000 look long and hard before you buy either a Golf or a 306, there likely to have had a hard life before they get to this sort of price.
The Mantra (not the Opel Mantra) is condition, condition and condition.
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Conclusive and independant proof:
http://www.306gti6.com/forum/showthread.php?id=46322&page=last
Sorry fellas, if you want the fastest car through the bends you bought the wrong one...
AHEMMM, fast through the bends did you say, well check this VR6 destroy an Impreza thru the bends, you hang on to your little french dreams...... :smug:
http://www.filecabi.net/video/590hpgolf.html
:wink: nuff said :grin:
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is this really a row over a pug gti-6 and now vr's? :shocked: that vid of hardcore's says it all,plus the pug IS french! :grin: i got a vr6 after an impreza turbo and i wont be going out anytime soon to change it for the pug! as for going thru bends,depends who's driving!! :smug:
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A 4 cylinder engine will not and cannot produce as much torque as a v6 motor, thats a fact.
OK fact boy explain this then......
Engine specifications of 2 rather decent German car manufacturers Both made about the same time (early 1990Â’s). Theres so little to tell these two apart on paper other than the number of cylinders.
Engine
Engine Configuration I
Cylinders 4
Water-Cooled
Aspiration/Induction Normal
Displacement 2992.00 cc | 182.6 cu in. | 3 L.
Valves 16 valves.
4 valves per cylinder.
Valvetrain DOHC
Horsepower 208.00 BHP (153.1 KW) @ 5800.00 RPM
Torque 207.00 Ft-Lbs (280.7 NM) @ 4100.00 RPM
HP to Weight Ratio 13.8 LB / HP (Vehicles with similar ratio)
HP / Liter 69.3 BHP / Liter
Bore 4.09 in | 103.9 mm.
Stroke 3.46 in | 87.9 mm.
Compression Ratio 10.9:1
Main Bearings 5
Fuel Type Gasoline - Petrol
Fuel Feed DME ignition - fuel injection
Engine
Engine Configuration I
Cylinders 6
Engine Aluminum cross-flow bridge
Aspiration/Induction Normal
Displacement 2964.00 cc | 180.9 cu in. | 3 L.
Valves 24 valves.
4 valves per cylinder.
Valvetrain DOHC
Horsepower 228.00 HP (167.8 KW) @ 6300.00 RPM
Torque 201.00 Ft-Lbs (272.6 NM) @ 4600.00 RPM
HP / Liter 76.0 BHP / Liter
Bore 3.48 in | 88.4 mm.
Stroke 3.16 in | 80.3 mm.
Compression Ratio 10.0:1
Fuel Type Gasoline - Petrol
If you want to look the figures up for yourself thats a Mercedes SL300 and a Porsche 944s2 a 3 litre BMW of a similar age would show similar figures too.
Ok boy, we were talking about a 2 litre 4 cylinder 16v against a 2.8 litre 6 cylinder 15 degree V, go back and read the thread from the start :wink:
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Ok boy, we were talking about a 2 litre 4 cylinder 16v against a 2.8 litre 6 cylinder 15 degree V, go back and read the thread from the start :wink:
But thatÂ’s not what you saidÂ….. :wink:
And I Quote;
A 4 cylinder engine will not and cannot produce as much torque as a v6 motor, thats a fact
Now obviously a standard 2.8 litre lump will push out more power than a standard 2 litre lump it would be daft to say that in this particular case the VR6 is less powerful than the Pug. Anyway any argument is purely hypothetical as your not going to get to the point on the road where you would be able to test either of the cars to anywhere near there limitations, unless of course you fancy parking yourself upside down in the field next to where you left the road.
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Ok boy, we were talking about a 2 litre 4 cylinder 16v against a 2.8 litre 6 cylinder 15 degree V, go back and read the thread from the start :wink:
But thatÂ’s not what you saidÂ….. :wink:
And I Quote;
A 4 cylinder engine will not and cannot produce as much torque as a v6 motor, thats a fact
Now obviously a standard 2.8 litre lump will push out more power than a standard 2 litre lump it would be daft to say that in this particular case the VR6 is less powerful than the Pug. Anyway any argument is purely hypothetical as your not going to get to the point on the road where you would be able to test either of the cars to anywhere near there limitations, unless of course you fancy parking yourself upside down in the field next to where you left the road.
Yes you are right, i stand corrected :laugh:
What i should of said is a bigger v6 lump will produce much more torque than a smaller 4 cylinder lump.
However my statement is still wrong really as the VR6 isn't really a real V6 engine, did you know that?
In reality we are talking about road cars, not racing on a track, so the v6 in this case will be much more driveable, and will out accelerate the pug at pretty much any point in the rev range.
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Bah. Screw the pug - when you plant your foot in second it's not going to sound like the VR. And that's what puts a big grin on my face :evil:
How many of us actually go around the corners anywhere near the limits of the car all the time? hardly anyone (well, I hope anyway)... But how many of us are going to floor it and grin on dual carriageways and straight bits of A road? lots.
Just my $0.02. :wink:
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AHEMMM, fast through the bends did you say, well check this VR6 destroy an Impreza thru the bends, you hang on to your little french dreams...... :smug:
http://www.filecabi.net/video/590hpgolf.html
:wink: nuff said :grin:
Blinkers off fella, std versus std the GTi6 is better, period. Tried, tested and proved in the article above. If you have more money than sense and want to spend thousands on a Golf VR6 tuning it to death then great, spend it and I (amongst others) will be :laugh: at you.
So back to the question at the start; if you want the fastest get the GTi6, if you want better longevity go for the Golf GTi.
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back to the start, if ya want a peice of french sh!te, buy a 306, if ya want a solid car for yer money, buy a golf....
as for your standard theory, my vr's standard, bring one to the next show with a strip n we'll see who's the quickest.... :wink:
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bring one to the next show with a strip n we'll see who's the quickest.... :wink:
I could of put money on that response :rolleyes:
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:smug: so how about it then??????
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Ain't got one, wouldn't bother if I did. I'm perfectly happy with my personality etc without having to try and prove how insecure I am by racing any tit that throws down the slightest challenge.
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Does that mean you're admitting the 306 is slower? :laugh:
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gettin a bit touchy tho arent ya,i think u have bitten! :wink:
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Ain't got one, wouldn't bother if I did. I'm perfectly happy with my personality etc without having to try and prove how insecure I am by racing any tit that throws down the slightest challenge.
i'd be carefull who yer callin a tit yer little prick.....
or it'll be more than a run down the strip i'm fancying a pop at...... :angry:
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Does that mean you're admitting the 306 is slower? :laugh:
In a straight line probably, through the twisties no way.
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gettin a bit touchy tho arent ya,i think u have bitten! :wink:
Nope on both counts :wink:
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Ain't got one, wouldn't bother if I did. I'm perfectly happy with my personality etc without having to try and prove how insecure I am by racing any tit that throws down the slightest challenge.
i'd be carefull who yer callin a tit yer little prick.....
or it'll be more than a run down the strip i'm fancying a pop at...... :angry:
Response as expected.
I've questioned a cars ability, you see it as a personal insult as if I were questioning your abilities and are resonding as if we had met in the street and had this argument face to face. It gives a very interesting insight into your personality to be honest. You show some interesting personality traits, just exactly what is it that you feel insecure about that you feel the need to get so wound up about? Just exactly what are you trying to prove about yourself and why are you trying to do it via your car choice? Do you think I, for one, care how fast your car is or how highly polished it is or just how many saxo owners you wasted this week?
I think I know what your next response will be too, so, lets see if you behave to "type" shall we....
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dude,are u a shrink??? :huh: the response you got was just what u deserved,as u were the 1 who started the cussing so you were bound to get some back.doesnt mean that the person is like that,u just got the same reaction as anyone else wouldve given you.as for the pug,still think its poo to be honest,still reckon my vr could do 1! :smug:
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Why is it that whenever there is a VW versus Pug discussion it turns into a ruck? :rolleyes: :laugh:
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Why is it that whenever there is a VW versus Pug discussion it turns into a ruck? :rolleyes: :laugh:
Its a very emotive subject car choice, especially when its held on a make specific forum. Its a fact there is always something better, in some way, out there compared to what you or I have got. Dealing with it and getting on with your life (not aimed at you specifically) is the difficult bit. Some can and it's fairly obvious that some can't.
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Why is it that whenever there is a VW versus Pug discussion it turns into a ruck? :rolleyes: :laugh:
There hasnt been a good ruck in a long time.....and this one is tame compared to some of the old ones..... :( :laugh:
Was a long time ago when that pug forum invaded us......
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Actually, i don't stand for being called a "TIT", i couldn't give a flying f**k about how quick a 306 isn't against a VR, but i don't take insults very well... if you think thats me having a bad personality, then fine, but if you fancy calling me a tit to my face, then we'll deal with the situation..........
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Here goes the ruck then.... :laugh:
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Ain't got one, wouldn't bother if I did. I'm perfectly happy with my personality etc without having to try and prove how insecure I am by racing any tit that throws down the slightest challenge.
i'd be carefull who yer callin a tit yer little prick.....
or it'll be more than a run down the strip i'm fancying a pop at...... :angry:
Response as expected.
I've questioned a cars ability, you see it as a personal insult as if I were questioning your abilities and are resonding as if we had met in the street and had this argument face to face. It gives a very interesting insight into your personality to be honest. You show some interesting personality traits, just exactly what is it that you feel insecure about that you feel the need to get so wound up about? Just exactly what are you trying to prove about yourself and why are you trying to do it via your car choice? Do you think I, for one, care how fast your car is or how highly polished it is or just how many saxo owners you wasted this week?
I think I know what your next response will be too, so, lets see if you behave to "type" shall we....
wtf!?! you called the man a tit, then come out with all that sh!te!?! what did you expect?
This arguement stopped being about the speed of a car a long time ago!
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only fair getting a reponse like that from hardcore! :angry: and where is mowgli???????? :huh:
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I dunno, but i feel the urge to start calling people "tit" :P :laugh:
*runs*
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Ya'll missing the point, this geezer should be considering a Mk2 Golf 16v or a Pug 1.9GTI. Both of which are better drivers cars than their succesors.
As for the Audi's having a better chassis than a Mk2 golf. Well a UR Quattro or a new RS4 maybe...but a A3 1.8T ? No, sorry the ride may be firm, but the car has poor steering and brake pedal feel compared to the Mk2, and don't even get me started on the understeer. (Yes, I do own both).
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only fair getting a reponse like that from hardcore!
I'm as laid back as they come, but i ain't standin for nobody talkin to me like a muppet, he talks about me having a problem, yet when i challenge him to test his theory, he calls me a "TIT" and says he expected that answer, well if thats the case, why state the fookin question :huh:, or even get yerself involved at all :grin:... if you expect to talk to people like that, but don't expect the response you got, i'll leave it up to others to judge who's the "TIT"... :wink:
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we can handle this like gentlemen or we can get into some gangsta s!!t!! :wink: just playin! :smug: no one wouldve stood for it so its fair play in my book! what was this thread about again??? :grin:
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someone decided it was a good idea to get on a golf gti site and ask about peugeots. was destined for mayhem really!
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might have to go on a pug site just for a giggle :smug:
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hmmm, www.idriveapeugeotbecausealthoughiknoetheyarn'tasgoodasgolfsimwillingtogiveitatry.tit.com :laugh:
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:grin:
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Ya'll missing the point, this geezer should be considering a Mk2 Golf 16v or a Pug 1.9GTI. Both of which are better drivers cars than their succesors.
As for the Audi's having a better chassis than a Mk2 golf. Well a UR Quattro or a new RS4 maybe...but a A3 1.8T ? No, sorry the ride may be firm, but the car has poor steering and brake pedal feel compared to the Mk2, and don't even get me started on the understeer. (Yes, I do own both).
Try an old Audi 90 Quattro 20v, or an Audi Coupe Quattro.
Not many around now, but very good suspension setup, far better than a golf :wink:
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i helped to build an audi grp b replica,didnt have the badass rally engine tho,didnt think much of it in my opinion,it was the 2.2 20v motor i think,but theres bad blood there as me n a mate fell out and it was his car so that might sway my judgement on that car!
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hmmm, www.idriveapeugeotbecausealthoughiknoetheyarn'tasgoodasgolfsimwillingtogiveitatry.tit.com :laugh:
or have they shortened it to
www.iamatit.com
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I still love my Peugeot 405 Mi16! :grin: :tongue: :tongue: :tongue:
That handles better than any Golf! :evil:
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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i remember the mi16,hardcore put 1 in a 205 and that was rapid,he can tell u more.i loved my little go-kart 1.9gti,that stuck to the road,but id still have my vr6 roar anyday! :smug:
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I still love my Peugeot 405 Mi16! :grin: :tongue: :tongue: :tongue:
That handles better than any Golf! :evil:
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Is your suspension still standard on the golf?
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errrrrrrrmmmm no i dont think it is! :smug:
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Yes Corin. Why?
Is the Mi16's suspension standard? No! got Spax adjustables and lowered.
But I'm comparing Golfs in general and I've driven a few, with the Mi16 in standard form. Done approx 46K miles in that car and 60K miles in a 405 GTX which has same suspension as Mi16.
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Yes Corin. Why?
Is the Mi16's suspension standard? No! got Spax adjustables and lowered.
But I'm comparing Golfs in general and I've driven a few, with the Mi16 in standard form. Done approx 46K miles in that car and 60K miles in a 405 GTX which has same suspension as Mi16.
Because Len i wouldn't bother comparing a standard mk3 suspension with anything, its like a boat.
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Driven several Mk 2's and one Mk 1 and yes they are better than a Mk 3 but still not better than an Mi16! :tongue:
:laugh:
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Yes the mk1 and mk2 are good.
The mk3 in standard form is probably one of the worst handling hot hatches i've ever driven :grin:
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The Mr VR6 saying that! sacriledge! :laugh:
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I don't own a vr6 anymore :laugh:
I changed the suspension within 2 weeks on the vr when i bought it 4 years ago.
I've driven mk1, mk2, mk3 and a bora (does thats count? :laugh:) and none of them go round corners like an Audi Quattro. The mk2 was very close but it was on konis and eibachs.
The Audi's i am comparing the golf's with are Coupe Quattro, 90 Quattro 20v, A4 Quattro 2.8 V6 30V, and even
my Audi 100 2.8 V6 Quattro handles bloody well for a big car, it is basically an early A6.
All the Audi's i have driven have been on standard suspension too. They all seem to go round corners like they are on rails.
I suppose the mk2 golf synchro must be the same, its hard to beat 4 wheel drive :cool:
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Yes Corin. Why?
Is the Mi16's suspension standard? No! got Spax adjustables and lowered.
But I'm comparing Golfs in general and I've driven a few, with the Mi16 in standard form. Done approx 46K miles in that car and 60K miles in a 405 GTX which has same suspension as Mi16.
Because Len i wouldn't bother comparing a standard mk3 suspension with anything, its like a boat.
or one of these
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y136/mixologist/GTI%20Spring%20Festival/EC020278.jpg)
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Hey that Tractors pretty nippy ya know! :laugh:
Zips down that quarter with the sweeper spinning like crazy! :laugh:
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so who won,the tractor? :wink:
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Actually, i don't stand for being called a "TIT", i couldn't give a flying f**k about how quick a 306 isn't against a VR, but i don't take insults very well... if you think thats me having a bad personality, then fine, but if you fancy calling me a tit to my face, then we'll deal with the situation..........
Don't act hard you f**king soft sh!t.
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Actually, i don't stand for being called a "TIT", i couldn't give a flying f**k about how quick a 306 isn't against a VR, but i don't take insults very well... if you think thats me having a bad personality, then fine, but if you fancy calling me a tit to my face, then we'll deal with the situation..........
Don't act hard you f**king soft sh!t.
are you havin a laugh.... :angry:
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that lads bin booted!still reckon it was that mowgli chap!? :grin:
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i would rather get a bus pass than have any pugrot tbh, they bore me to death, the 306 is wider than it is long and the 205 is held together with spit. sh!t house
a snooze fest in my opinion! :laugh:
i dnt care how well a 306 gti 6 is supposed to handle i reckon i could do most people with a 306 in my dads mark 3 8 valve. :smug:
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Agree with the above :grin:
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do you really?
glad someone agrees, seems there is a secret 306/pug loving faternity in this thread, when in actual fact i would rather pic between rabies and botulism than a 205 or a 306 :laugh:
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I can't understand anyone wanting to own a french car.... :laugh:
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yep me too, wel there are the odd exceptions, clio 16v/williams and renault 5 gt turbo are about as far as it goes though! :laugh: no pugrot bollox
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French cars are just not my taste :laugh:
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^^^^ :tongue:
I agree about the 306 and 205!
But then I would. But a 405 on the other hand........ :grin:
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I suppose the mk2 golf synchro must be the same, its hard to beat 4 wheel drive :cool:
For understeering into the nearest bush on the wrong side of the roadÂ…Â…
FWD, RWD, 4WD it matters not which wheels are driven when you approach a corner but the grip you have and what you try to do to make sure that grip changes your direction.