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Model specific boards => Golf mk7 => Topic started by: jaygolfgti on 06 April 2022, 22:06
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Hello
I own a MK5 Golf Gti. 80K miles. Stage 1. Good car.
Possibly about to buy a Golf R 2018 edition, 20k miles on clock. £27,000 approx.
They'll give me £4,000 for my car.
Do you think this is a good upgrade and worth doing? Some on Reddit saying it's crap car etc. lol. Seem to be idiots on there! Here's some photos of it: https://imgur.com/a/gKNNJcB
Thanks
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I really love my mk5 Edition 30 probably more than the mk7 GTI PP, but the mk7 is a much better car it's not even a contest.
Although I will say for £27k I'd be after more options with leather, rear camera and pretorias as a minimum. That's a very good budget for a new car did you consider any other cars?
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Thanks for reply. As I haven't seen it in person yet, do you think this will come with the rear view camera? I'm a fan of Golfs so not into most other cars. I'd like leather seats, they seem rare to find in newer golfs.
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I still enjoy my mk6 gti on 95k but my mk7.5 is a step up. Not sure you need to get the R. Worth looking at the gti as well as you may get more options for the same price. The car you are looking at looks good though. I personally prefer the look of the gti but may be a bit prejudiced. Depending on condition I would have thought you could get more than 4k for the mk6. Good luck in your search.
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Thanks! Haven't driven the R yet, but it is quite a bit faster than the GTI i think. Looks are average with the R, but with some new alloys it will look good for me, I am 34 so not wanting to look too over the top :D
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The R is a great car, but that one does seem a little expensive. WBAC give a trade value of £24,000.
If you are getting finance through the dealer, rates are higher on older cars, especially at supermarkets, so check the overall cost of the car. You could end up paying well over £30k all in, which is not much less than a much newer GTI/PP from a VW dealer. Don't rush in and do your homework.
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The R is a great car, but that one does seem a little expensive. WBAC give a trade value of £24,000.
So a dealer selling at 27k is about right...
If anything, thats a pretty low margin.
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The R is a great car, but that one does seem a little expensive. WBAC give a trade value of £24,000.
So a dealer selling at 27k is about right...
If anything, thats a pretty low margin.
I'd also argue that it's expensive for what it is, see below all differing specs one is a 7R but all one third to half the mileage of the original one. Personally the first on my list via private sale looks a great choice.
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202203203745924?onesearchad=New&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=Used&sort=mileage&make=Volkswagen&advertising-location=at_cars&radius=1500&price-to=27500&postcode=bt275pr&aggregatedTrim=R&include-delivery-option=on&model=Golf&page=1&percentVehiclePriceDeposit=true
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202202283037343?advertising-location=at_cars&radius=1500&include-delivery-option=on&sort=mileage&postcode=bt275pr&aggregatedTrim=R&onesearchad=New&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=Used&make=Volkswagen&model=Golf&price-to=30000&page=3
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202202162624234?sort=mileage&make=Volkswagen&radius=1500&postcode=bt275pr&aggregatedTrim=R&transmission=Automatic&onesearchad=New&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=Used&model=Golf&include-delivery-option=on&price-to=27500&advertising-location=at_cars&page=2&percentVehiclePriceDeposit=true
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The problem for me, is that £27k on a Golf is big money. Yes, it's a R, so that's nice, but I'd want some spec for that sort of money. Otherwise it's really just another Golf, and quite an expensive one.
I just spent very similar money on my Clubsport. Ok so it's a 7, not a 7.5, but I have no issue with that at all. What I do love is the spec. The sunroof is really nice to have, the discover pro seems really good with its large screen, rear view camera is a must in my opinion, dynaudio is nice, and the seats... oh the seats.
So in my opinion, nice car, fair price I guess but try for better spec if you can.
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The problem for me, is that £27k on a Golf is big money.
Welcome to 2nd hand car prices in 2022...
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The problem for me, is that £27k on a Golf is big money.
Welcome to 2nd hand car prices in 2022...
I've just had a quick look and there seem to be a few cars similar age and mileage, same price, considerably better spec. Personally for me it's the spec that can make a car. Poverty spec is also fine, at the right price.
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in 2nd hand cars options rarely have any effect on the price TBH...
Options are for new buyers to waste their money on.
If you look at the buying sites, most don't even ask about options...
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in 2nd hand cars options rarely have any effect on the price TBH...
... making well optioned cars better value for money.
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From what I have seen certain options available on Golf Mk7 / 7.5 do make a difference in price.
As there are quite a few ex lease GTi /R on the second hand market, partly due to rarity & desirability DCC cars should be able to recoup the additional £800 initial outlay.
On mk7 Ed40, the Recaro bucket seats were a £1350 option, again cars equipped with these seats are usually at least that initial outlay above a car equipped with the regular shape GTi seats.
Pro nav, rear camera and even perhaos 19" are nice to have and may help a car sell quicker without adding much to the secondhand price over a lower spec car?
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in 2nd hand cars options rarely have any effect on the price TBH...
Options are for new buyers to waste their money on.
If you look at the buying sites, most don't even ask about options...
The buying sites don't ask because they want to pay the lowest price possible! An in person valuation from a dealer is always higher in my experience.
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Having had a DSG 7R for 7 years and 2 mk5 GTis i may have an opinion
I would say the DSG is a great gearbox but does numb the driving experience, is your 5 GTI a DSG, if so i'm sure you will like it
Yes you can use the paddles or gearstick but very few do but lets not make this into a DSG v Manual debate, ETTO.
I would agree that is a very low spec car for quite a lot of money, they did great lease deals on the R and so many stepped up from 5/6 GTI into the R on poverty spec.
DCC is only needed on 19' wheels that that R doesn't have.
Yes the Tec on the R is light years ahead but when i sold my R last year, getting a 5 GTI , a £400 upgraded Pioneer Car play stereo upgrade was enough ,didn't miss anything else really.
I do think VW built more solid cars in the MK5 era, my current 7 GTI rattles more than my 5 ever did.
Finally, when i bought m R for £36k in 2014 , and got £6 for my 5 GTI DSG , did i think the R was a £30k better car , not in a million years, think the 5 GTI is a brilliant car and sometimes more isn't always better, test drive a few and others brands.
When i sold my R for £19k and climbed into a 5 GTI did i think it was £14k worse , no way.
Happy car hunting
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Having had a DSG 7R for 7 years and 2 mk5 GTis i may have an opinion
I would say the DSG is a great gearbox but does numb the driving experience, is your 5 GTI a DSG, if so i'm sure you will like it
Yes you can use the paddles or gearstick but very few do but lets not make this into a DSG v Manual debate, ETTO.
I would agree that is a very low spec car for quite a lot of money, they did great lease deals on the R and so many stepped up from 5/6 GTI into the R on poverty spec.
DCC is only needed on 19' wheels that that R doesn't have.
Yes the Tec on the R is light years ahead but when i sold my R last year, getting a 5 GTI , a £400 upgraded Pioneer Car play stereo upgrade was enough ,didn't miss anything else really.
I do think VW built more solid cars in the MK5 era, my current 7 GTI rattles more than my 5 ever did.
Finally, when i bought m R for £36k in 2014 , and got £6 for my 5 GTI DSG , did i think the R was a £30k better car , not in a million years, think the 5 GTI is a brilliant car and sometimes more isn't always better, test drive a few and others brands.
When i sold my R for £19k and climbed into a 5 GTI did i think it was £14k worse , no way.
Happy car hunting
So what are you saying, he should rent a Golf R for the weekend??? :grin:
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when i bought m R for £36k in 2014 , and got £6 for my 5 GTI DSG , did i think the R was a £30k better car , not in a million years,
It was 30k more because it was a newer car. That's a bit like saying a brand new bogo spec Fiat 500 must be better than a 15 year old Mk5 GTI, because it costs more.
The way I look at it is, the Mk5 GTI was a bloody good car in 2005. Just because technology has moved on and newer models have upped the game doesn't change the fact that it's still a bloody good car today.
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when i bought m R for £36k in 2014 , and got £6 for my 5 GTI DSG , did i think the R was a £30k better car , not in a million years,
It was 30k more because it was a newer car. That's a bit like saying a brand new bogo spec Fiat 500 must be better than a 15 year old Mk5 GTI, because it costs more.
The way I look at it is, the Mk5 GTI was a bloody good car in 2005. Just because technology has moved on and newer models have upped the game doesn't change the fact that it's still a bloody good car today.
Maybe i phrased it wrong, but yes the 5 GTI is a great car and that the R wasn't really anymore enjoyable and an awful lot more money,
And obviously you can't rent one for a weekend but you can test drive a manual R or GTi or Type r .
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Another ex-mk5 GTI (stage 1) and Golf 7 R owner.
Poverty spec isn’t exactly full on poverty so don’t get hung up on extras. They drive the same whether the first owner spent £5k in extras or was as stingy as me! Especially on a 7.5 model, all the best things came as standard with the exception of Pretorias (which can be added afterwards). Buy on condition only as many previous owners/keepers are/were onanists so plenty got dinged, hammered, stolen or any mix of those. But there are also a lot of very well looked after R’s about as they attract some err… “varying types” of owner. Some look like they lick the underside of the car clean every other day.
I can think of plenty of pro’s and cons for either model but everyone who likes Golfs should spend a bit of their life with a mk5 GTI and a 7R. Both are icons.
As for prices, god knows. The market has changed drastically and no doubt it’ll change again. The only certainly is one day you’ll be brown bread so if you can afford it then go for it.
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For me the the Mk7 is great but the very first thing I noticed coming from a very long time of ownership of a Mk5 were the doors, every day the solid driver's door 'clunk' of a Mk5 compared to my rather light and maybe 'tinny' Mk7.
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Another ex-mk5 GTI (stage 1) and Golf 7 R owner.
Poverty spec isn’t exactly full on poverty so don’t get hung up on extras. They drive the same whether the first owner spent £5k in extras or was as stingy as me! Especially on a 7.5 model, all the best things came as standard with the exception of Pretorias (which can be added afterwards). Buy on condition only as many previous owners/keepers are/were onanists so plenty got dinged, hammered, stolen or any mix of those. But there are also a lot of very well looked after R’s about as they attract some err… “varying types” of owner. Some look like they lick the underside of the car clean every other day.
Every post I learn a new word from you Exonian, sort of wish I didn't know onanist now :grin:
I'd argue similarly but wouldn't recommend the 7R to anyone but it's each to their own, the GTI PP is a great move for most coming from a mk5 gti, but the TCR is the ultimate form of the mk7.
I'm sure that will attract some fire from those with a Clubsport S, but they're not quite everyday friendly or even the same price range now.
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Another ex-mk5 GTI (stage 1) and Golf 7 R owner.
Poverty spec isn’t exactly full on poverty so don’t get hung up on extras. They drive the same whether the first owner spent £5k in extras or was as stingy as me! Especially on a 7.5 model, all the best things came as standard with the exception of Pretorias (which can be added afterwards). Buy on condition only as many previous owners/keepers are/were onanists so plenty got dinged, hammered, stolen or any mix of those. But there are also a lot of very well looked after R’s about as they attract some err… “varying types” of owner. Some look like they lick the underside of the car clean every other day.
Every post I learn a new word from you Exonian, sort of wish I didn't know onanist now :grin:
I'd argue similarly but wouldn't recommend the 7R to anyone but it's each to their own, the GTI PP is a great move for most coming from a mk5 gti, but the TCR is the ultimate form of the mk7.
I'm sure that will attract some fire from those with a Clubsport S, but they're not quite everyday friendly or even the same price range now.
willni, the practical limitation of the CS-S, is why the regular 3 door, manual CS with buckets & Dcc comes in to take the crown! :)
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willni, the practical limitation of the CS-S, is why the regular 3 door, manual CS with buckets & Dcc comes in to take the crown! :)
The only reason I didn't specify the regular CS is because there's a strong love for the 7-speed dsg across the forum, manual CS would be for me maybe not the buckets though I've seen how the mk5 leather recaros age and it would drive me nuts!
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Hey all, I pulled out of the R deal as found a GTI Performance with features such as sun roof and leather seats with nicer alloys instead, £500 less too.
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Hey all, I pulled out of the R deal as found a GTI Performance with features such as sun roof and leather seats with nicer alloys instead, £500 less too.
Good for you, think you made a good choice there.
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Said it was worth looking at the gti for options. Enjoy :smiley:
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Thanks! Think your advice was good! :)
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Nice one Jay - what colour? Oh black, nice one!