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Model specific boards => Golf mk7 => Topic started by: rwleigh on 14 October 2020, 07:42
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I'm not sure I like it... :undecided: 1530kg too! :shocked:
https://www.evo.co.uk/volkswagen/golf-gti-clubsport/202611/new-volkswagen-golf-gti-clubsport-revealed-now-with-nearly (https://www.evo.co.uk/volkswagen/golf-gti-clubsport/202611/new-volkswagen-golf-gti-clubsport-revealed-now-with-nearly)
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Thanks for sharing. I think it looks better than the standard GTI, the additional splitter and spoiler do compliment the MK8 shape. Not sure about seats (prefer the standard GTI pattern) and the steering wheel seems no different. I am sure it will be a superb drive though. I’ll keep an open mind.
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I did post this in the Mk8 section, but in the original TCR thread started by Panelpin so might get buried;-
http://www.golfgtiforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=286438.30
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Regardless of how good it looks on the outside and how well it might drive, will still have the poor user interface and cost cutting on the inside.
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The "mouth" reminds me of the Predator when he opens his jaw. For an allegedly evolutionary design, it's stunning how badly VW messed up. In my meaningless opinion.
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It's amazing how a bit of bumper colour plastic injected into that huge front grille on the TCR changes the look so much and makes the "mouth" of the GTI start to look much more palatable (to me at least). Would have been better if those body colour pieces extended upwards to meet the top of the bumper though to divide the grill into 3 distinct sections.
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Looks to be a useful upgrade on the regular GTi.
Dsg only, but the most interesting factor appears to be the revised clubsport specific gear ratios?
This is exactly where I thought the performance versions of GTi would go, hence purchasing a low mileage, 3 door, Manual CS with Buckets & Dcc. (#peakgti} :)
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Regardless of how good it looks on the outside and how well it might drive, will still have the poor user interface and cost cutting on the inside.
Yes, two things here:
1) the standard Mk8 GTI by all accounts drives very well. Better than the Mk7 both in everyday mode and then more playful if you want to rip it up. By the sounds of it, even more so in the clubsport version. Nobody has said a Mk8 GTI is less than a great drive though, improving on the Mk7 in very real ways.
2) The functionally challenged, visually meh interior is still the same across the whole Mk8 range. Everyone at every oppurtunity dislikes it.
I could live with visually meh, functionally challenged? Not so much.
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Regardless of how good it looks on the outside and how well it might drive, will still have the poor user interface and cost cutting on the inside.
Yes, two things here:
1) the standard Mk8 GTI by all accounts drives very well. Better than the Mk7 both in everyday mode and then more playful if you want to rip it up. By the sounds of it, even more so in the clubsport version. Nobody has said a Mk8 GTI is less than a great drive though, improving on the Mk7 in very real ways.
2) The functionally challenged, visually meh interior is still the same across the whole Mk8 range. Everyone at every oppurtunity dislikes it.
I could live with visually meh, functionally challenged? Not so much.
Just come back from the North Norfolk coast and lots of lovely twisting A roads with little traffic and it was a pretty satisfying few rides out and about up there and then home and though have little doubt to the really knowledgeable who have had real opportunity to test the MK 8 out it performs a little better in the ride department for me personally knowing that sitting in a MK 7 with the TCR styling and cabin makes me feel good all around in the drive and the package - for that marginal lift in ride that doubt I would notice in much of my driving, I will still have at back of my mind the struggle with the interior and overall styling which in turn taints the overall experience.
Presently like a pig in poke every time walk up to and get in the TCR and then drive, thats the 'feeling' we pay the ££ for and the MK 8 presently compromises on that, it would nag away quietly at you even if package is much better in the Clubsport and R guises.
I will wait on the MK 8.5 before making the full conclusion as there is so much scope to readily improve, especially in the exterior and front area where its really just some better designed plastic it needs. The interior is the concern as to rip out and make it more Touraeg like is major and not uplift so its likely the interior is for the MK 8 lifespan
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This is exactly where I thought the performance versions of GTi would go, hence purchasing a low mileage, 3 door, Manual CS with Buckets & Dcc. (#peakgti} :)
This is exactly where I thought the performance versions of GTi would go, hence purchasing a new 3 door TCR with nearly all the options ticked ( #mypeakgti) :wink:
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This is exactly where I thought the performance versions of GTi would go, hence purchasing a low mileage, 3 door, Manual CS with Buckets & Dcc. (#peakgti} :)
This is exactly where I thought the performance versions of GTi would go, hence purchasing a new 3 door TCR with nearly all the options ticked ( #mypeakgti) :wink:
Really feel that lucked out with the TCR,
Always wanted a GTI, always danced around it and got the 'other' car, so the GTI badge is the first tick, and it happens to be the end of the MK 7 line, with its full evolution, plus the added TCR styling, the increase in BHP and the other added performance bits and bobs with the Akrapovic thrown in for good measure - if can get a go od deal on a TCR saving more than a few £1000 why would anyone pay more for a MK 8 GTI?
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So I thought when they launched the 7.5 TCR, VW suggested the TCR was going to be part of the regular range of GTI's going forward, and the 7 Clubsport was more of a one-off / special edition.
So quite surprised to see the introduction of a new Clubsport... Does that mean the TCR concept has been killed off? Does anyone know if they sold more Clubsport ED40's or TCRs?
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Does anyone know if they sold more Clubsport ED40's or TCRs?
More TCR GTI's on the road than CS40 and CSS combined. See below link for TCR and search for the CS and you'll see.
https://www.howmanyleft.co.uk/vehicle/volkswagen_golf_gti_tcr_s-a (https://www.howmanyleft.co.uk/vehicle/volkswagen_golf_gti_tcr_s-a)
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VW announced they were leaving combustion powered racing at the end of the 2019 season so no more TCR or WRC.
Would imagine there are more TCR's than ED40's overall given the ED40 was a limited production run. 3 door TCR's however I would guess are fewer than 3 door ED40's as the window in which to order the TCR was only around six weeks.
If anyone is in the market for a 3 door this is unusual in as much as it's been held back and registered on a 20 plate https://www.jct600.co.uk/nearly-new-cars.aspx?Stock_ID=1233583210&
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So quite surprised to see the introduction of a new Clubsport... Does that mean the TCR concept has been killed off?
VW have ditched their association with TCR.... in fact ditched all ICE powered motorsport:
https://www.racedepartment.com/threads/motorsport-vw-withdraw-from-all-non-electric-racing-activities.175734/
So that is why there isn't a Mk8 called a TCR.
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So I thought when they launched the 7.5 TCR, VW suggested the TCR was going to be part of the regular range of GTI's going forward, and the 7 Clubsport was more of a one-off / special edition.
So quite surprised to see the introduction of a new Clubsport... Does that mean the TCR concept has been killed off? Does anyone know if they sold more Clubsport ED40's or TCRs?
The original intention probably was for a TCR model to be part of the regular range of GTI’s. However, VW announced towards the end of last year that they would be discontinuing all motorsport activity outside of electric vehicles, effectively ending their involvement with TCR (Touring Car Racing). Therefore IMO it would’ve been inappropriate to have a GTI TCR model in the mk8 Golf lineup, and more appropriate to resurrect the Clubsport name for the higher performance version of the mk8 Golf GTI.
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electric racing - mmmm…. not sure that's gonna catch on
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electric racing - mmmm…. not sure that's gonna catch on
Depends if there is an alternative really....
Also depends on whether people see electric as the regular method of transport too....
Motorsport overtook horse racing once combustion engines were a big thing.
Formula-E and MotoE are already a thing in case you hadn't noticed. Its just a bit quieter and the pitstops are 24hrs lol
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Does anyone know if they sold more Clubsport ED40's or TCRs?
More TCR GTI's on the road than CS40 and CSS combined. See below link for TCR and search for the CS and you'll see.
https://www.howmanyleft.co.uk/vehicle/volkswagen_golf_gti_tcr_s-a (https://www.howmanyleft.co.uk/vehicle/volkswagen_golf_gti_tcr_s-a)
Interesting stats thanks, both fairly low volumes. That said if the Mk8 Clubsport is sold relatively early in the GTI lifecycle I suspect it'll sell a lot better.
Thanks all for clarifying the status of why no longer TCR, makes sense, but you would've thought the VW board would've been aware they were about to can their combustion motorsport programme before launching the TCR...
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Is anyone aware if VW is planning an Edition 45 or will just have the two levels of GTI models? Perhaps the ED40 will be the last anniversary model?
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They've already said no Clubsport S. I posted the link to the article in the other thread but here it is again for ease :smiley:
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/no-plans-hardcore-gti-clubsport-s-volkswagen-confirms
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electric racing - mmmm…. not sure that's gonna catch on
Depends if there is an alternative really....
Also depends on whether people see electric as the regular method of transport too....
Motorsport overtook horse racing once combustion engines were a big thing.
Formula-E and MotoE are already a thing in case you hadn't noticed. Its just a bit quieter and the pitstops are 24hrs lol
I had noticed and I don't think it has really caught on, has it? The public want to hear some noise...… A few great minds in the F1 world are looking into alternative fuels rather than electric. Milk floats aren't the solution to everything. Or if they are in motor racing they might need to add some fake noise :grin:
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Formula-E and MotoE are already a thing in case you hadn't noticed. Its just a bit quieter and the pitstops are 24hrs lol
I had noticed and I don't think it has really caught on, has it? The public want to hear some noise...… A few great minds in the F1 world are looking into alternative fuels rather than electric. Milk floats aren't the solution to everything. Or if they are in motor racing they might need to add some fake noise :grin:
Caught on.... well those are classes that race on the same weekends as F1 and MotoGP.... they have been trying.
Personally I'm a bit meh about it and I like watching racing.
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Is anyone aware if VW is planning an Edition 45 or will just have the two levels of GTI models? Perhaps the ED40 will be the last anniversary model?
Nothing that I have seen puts it either way, other than with a 25th, 30th, 35th and 40th editions it seems highly likley that we will get a 45th and I bet they will be pushing to get a 50th edition in as well for 2026 (who knows what the motoring landscape will be by then :huh: :huh:
What they will do with 45th model is anyone's guess. There might be room between GTI (245ps) and Clubsport at (300ps) but the ED 40 was 265 (with overboost to 285ps, I think). So to go over that it gets a bit close to Clubsport
So could they go higher and do 310ps or 320ps. Well Civic Type R has 320ps so front wheels could take it. I remember one quote from a VW Bigwig was along the lines that " the GTI trim could do more extreme things than say R "
So maybe 310ps or 320ps with all the bells and whistles and buckets seats etc
Alternatively, VW has forgotten the anniversary as they have been too busy with their ID range..... the Golf will be even more unhappy than it is at the moment, if that is the case :laugh:
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VW announced they were leaving combustion powered racing at the end of the 2019 season so no more TCR or WRC.
Would imagine there are more TCR's than ED40's overall given the ED40 was a limited production run. 3 door TCR's however I would guess are fewer than 3 door ED40's as the window in which to order the TCR was only around six weeks.
If anyone is in the market for a 3 door this is unusual in as much as it's been held back and registered on a 20 plate https://www.jct600.co.uk/nearly-new-cars.aspx?Stock_ID=1233583210&
VW actually still make rally polos but they are just for customer purchase only.
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Wow! With VW confirming there will be no Clubsport S model those owners lucky enough to have one of the Mk7's can look forward to minimal depreciation from now on. This Mk8 GTi Clubsport does look better than the standard Mk8 GTi but I'm afraid all these touch screens are a definite no for me. I might keep my Mk7.5 for a very long time. Currently on 7 years ownership with my 911 997 Gen 2 Carrera 4S and never changed for 2 reasons - 1) 991 model was too big for the garage, 2) Didn't have enough money :laugh: