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Model specific boards => Golf mk7 => Topic started by: darrenx on 29 April 2020, 09:26
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Hi all what do you guys recommend for remap using a plug in box? Car has warranty so can not yet flash the ecu’ So need a chip box option, think asked this before but lost it! All help is appreciated.
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Racechip do some good options. All the tuning boxes are traceable though so worth bearing in mind in you are worried about the warranty.
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How can a tuning box be traceable if it is removed? It physically will not be there.
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How can a tuning box be traceable if it is removed? It physically will not be there.
My understanding from various posts on here is that it leaves a marker on the ECU.
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Tuning boxes can cause issues like over boost errors that remain logged in the ecu. That's what happened on my 2013 gtd that had a god awful dtuk box on. I was able to clear the faults but they remain in the history even after clearing.
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How long until you are out of warranty? A remap is better than running with a tuning box, so if you only have a year or so left it could be worth the wait.
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Tuning boxes can cause issues like over boost errors that remain logged in the ecu. That's what happened on my 2013 gtd that had a god awful dtuk box on. I was able to clear the faults but they remain in the history even after clearing.
Yes, the tuning box will leave plenty of markers that a deep scan by VW will find easily enough, they know what they’re looking for.
How long until you are out of warranty? A remap is better than running with a tuning box, so if you only have a year or so left it could be worth the wait.
That’s a good suggestion and one I’d agree with.
So long as the car is healthy, well serviced and not driven like a loon regularly then the likelihood of major engine failure is fairly low on a tried and well tested unit.
My question to the OP is why you want the extra power?
Is it for extra mid range ooomph, is it for top end performance or is it because you find the car a bit lacking?
Depending on your driving style the first thing I would recommend is a pedal box to see if that wakes the missing feeling of responsiveness up that many of us find lacking with the standard car.
The GTI does benefit hugely from a remap or tuning box. I’ve had at least one remapped/boxed example of every generation of GTI since VW first started strapping turbos on them over 20 years ago. Nobody appreciates the extra mid range urge and willingness to rev more than I do.
However if your driving style involves a lot of running up to the red line then I’d strongly recommend you looking at a car such as the R or TCR as a better long term base for tuning. It’s a stronger engine and the turbo has masses of headroom unlike the standard GTI turbo which runs out of puff at lowish revs.
My personal driving style is that of a boring old fart and I do actually much prefer a tuned 300 PS small turbo GTI engine over a standard 300PS R engine because of the massive low rev shove of the small turbo. I rarely use high revs, but someone else will be the opposite (most sporty car drivers probably!) so I’m merely offering a view from years of my own expensive experiences.
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Hi all I do find lacking compared to my previous focus st which was remapped via bluefin remap which never caused a problem with ford. Just like the idea of being able to remove so its not obvious if need be. Racechip one offers a 1 / 2 year warranty for the engine. What difference does the pedal box do?
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If you are manual rather than DSG this could also be an option. A version for DSG is also in the pipeline.
https://www.mountune52.com/collections/mk7-5-golf-gti/products/m52-golf-gti-stage-1-power-upgrade-mk7-5-only. If you follow them on Facebook / Instagram they regularly do discount codes of at least 10% but up to 20%.
It's a remap rather than a tuning box, but you flash it yourself via the OBD port and can 'return to stock'. I say that in inverted commas as I'm sure it will leave a TD1 flag should VW ever look at the engine for warranty purposes.
I'm running the Mk7 version of the tune with TCU remap. My first remap but I've been quite impressed with it once it settled after a few hundred miles.
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Hi all I do find lacking compared to my previous focus st which was remapped via bluefin remap which never caused a problem with ford. Just like the idea of being able to remove so its not obvious if need be. Racechip one offers a 1 / 2 year warranty for the engine. What difference does the pedal box do?
I'd check those warranty terms carefully. If you put a "warrantied" box on, VW will refuse pretty much any drivetrain warranty if they detect the box with a "guilty until proven innocent" attitude. A lot of the box warranties state that if you can prove that the box caused the fault, they'll pay out. So neither party will pay out as VW make you prove the fault woukd've happened anyway and the tuning box company make you prove direct cause. Only a reputable (and expensive) independent engineering inspection report is going to stand up in court.
Unfortunately VWs aren't infallible. I've had 10 new VWs and 2 of them needed a new turbo within warranty and one had a slipping clutch in cold temps - all on stock power. Wouldn't have liked the bill for any of those repairs.
Usually the big VW fails are under warranty, but for me, the TDI tech is much more robust than TSI tech.
I'm looking to remap or box my Polo GTI+ when it's out of warranty, I don't think I'd risk it within warranty, and even then I won't go silly, maybe 20-25% above stock.
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Thanks all so far it’s much appreciated! What does the pedal box do compared to chipping?
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Thanks all so far it’s much appreciated! What does the pedal box do compared to chipping?
The same difference as putting the car into Sport mode from normal - the fly by wire throttle mapping is changed.
Only the pedal box can give you more zoom that just OEM sport mode.
No extra power though, its just throttle response.
Still insurance notifiable though.
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You might want to give Superchips a miss though:
https://www.superchips.co.uk
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You might want to give Superchips a miss though:
https://www.superchips.co.uk
You could probably buy the whole company for the same price as a remap right now!!
(It’s very sad to see in truth)
Thanks all so far it’s much appreciated! What does the pedal box do compared to chipping?
There are probably dozens of threads on the PedalBox on here, have a quick search.
I probably started most of them :grin:
They make the car feel far more responsive and are therefore a handy thing to try before you indulge in further tuning as they make the standard power and more importantly the (not inconsiderable) torque much more accessible.
Some say that they’re unnecessary and you should just press the right hand pedal harder. These people miss the point, wear tartan pyjamas and know all the names of the plants in their well stocked gardens... :whistle:
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so the accelerator paddle device would make quite a bit of difference? I have declared a remap / performance modification with my insurance.
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You might want to give Superchips a miss though:
https://www.superchips.co.uk
You could probably buy the whole company for the same price as a remap right now!!
(It’s very sad to see in truth)
Thanks all so far it’s much appreciated! What does the pedal box do compared to chipping?
There are probably dozens of threads on the PedalBox on here, have a quick search.
I probably started most of them :grin:
They make the car feel far more responsive and are therefore a handy thing to try before you indulge in further tuning as they make the standard power and more importantly the (not inconsiderable) torque much more accessible.
Some say that they’re unnecessary and you should just press the right hand pedal harder. These people miss the point, wear tartan pyjamas and know all the names of the plants in their well stocked gardens... :whistle:
far from it Ex. No point to miss really, I just think they are a waste of money and haven't felt the need for one. Doesn't mean some people won't like the placebo effect though :grin:
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Placebo? Placebo?? :shocked:
Some of us don’t wear https://www.travisperkins.co.uk/concrete-blocks/solid-dense-7-3n-concrete-block-grey-100mm/p/700064 as insoles!
I much prefer a more tactile experience whilst driving in my favourite ballet shoes :whistle:
By the way mcmaddy Burger Motorsport do a version of the Pedalbox too, you might hate that one a little less... :whistle: :lipsrsealed:
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Placebo? Placebo?? :shocked:
Some of us don’t wear https://www.travisperkins.co.uk/concrete-blocks/solid-dense-7-3n-concrete-block-grey-100mm/p/700064 as insoles!
I much prefer a more tactile experience whilst driving in my favourite ballet shoes :whistle:
By the way mcmaddy Burger Motorsport do a version of the Pedalbox too, you might hate that one a little less... :whistle: :lipsrsealed:
😂😂 just need the new car to go with it first :whistle:
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😂😂 just need the new car to go with it first :whistle:
It's coming, patience is a virtue :smiley:
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There are probably dozens of threads on the PedalBox on here, have a quick search.
I probably started most of them :grin:
They make the car feel far more responsive and are therefore a handy thing to try before you indulge in further tuning as they make the standard power and more importantly the (not inconsiderable) torque much more accessible.
Some say that they’re unnecessary and you should just press the right hand pedal harder. These people miss the point, wear tartan pyjamas and know all the names of the plants in their well stocked gardens... :whistle:
I came across this old review again by Chris Harris when the Mk7 GTI was launched...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kl8AP6CoyI
6:10 - As for the turbocharging and throttle response, I cannot fault it... From a straight talking bloke who's driven probably every new performance car.
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I think the GTI pedal could be a little more responsive, though the A4 I had before was ridiculous. After you got to about 30% pedal travel, it was at 80% throttle, basically the rest of the travel did sod all. :smiley:
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I have much respect for Chris Harris. I wish I could perform donuts in supercars on a disused runway whilst chatting to a go-pro and raking in millions for the pleasure!
Aside from the obvious differences in skill-sets and the fact I wouldn’t know how to do a donut even if I had to, plus I have far too much mechanical sympathy to even try, the plain truth of it is there is a dead inch of travel on mk7 and 7.5 Golf throttle pedals that can be cheaply avoided making the prodigious standard torque more accessible without hoofing the throttle. That in turn makes the car feel more responsive and quicker (placebo or not) in day to day driving.
Like a remap, it’s all about enjoyment of the car.
Without the pedalbox my Golfs felt less responsive than the variety of Diesel works vans I do get to drive (but alas not perform donuts in) if I feel like taking one out. With the pedalbox I can feel every one of those 280 lb ft of torque and can waft along briskly and quite happily barely moving my ankle. That alone gives me much pleasure. Slightly more pressure on the throttle and the car is off like a scolded cat. Perfect. That’s what hot hatches are about to me. No Chris Harris skills needed.
Believe a little less what motoring journalists write and a little more about what demanding owners who pay for their own cars think, do some research and come to your own conclusions. Journalists get an impression of a car compared to whatever else they’ve been paid to drive that week. Some of us have slightly different requirements to put the icing on an otherwise fantastic but mass produced (mass market) cake.
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I have much respect for Chris Harris. I wish I could perform donuts in supercars on a disused runway whilst chatting to a go-pro and raking in millions for the pleasure!
Aside from the obvious differences in skill-sets and the fact I wouldn’t know how to do a donut even if I had to, plus I have far too much mechanical sympathy to even try, the plain truth of it is there is a dead inch of travel on mk7 and 7.5 Golf throttle pedals that can be cheaply avoided making the prodigious standard torque more accessible without hoofing the throttle. That in turn makes the car feel more responsive and quicker (placebo or not) in day to day driving.
Like a remap, it’s all about enjoyment of the car.
Without the pedalbox my Golfs felt less responsive than the variety of Diesel works vans I do get to drive (but alas not perform donuts in) if I feel like taking one out. With the pedalbox I can feel every one of those 280 lb ft of torque and can waft along briskly and quite happily barely moving my ankle. That alone gives me much pleasure. Slightly more pressure on the throttle and the car is off like a scolded cat. Perfect. That’s what hot hatches are about to me. No Chris Harris skills needed.
Believe a little less what motoring journalists write and a little more about what demanding owners who pay for their own cars think, do some research and come to your own conclusions. Journalists get an impression of a car compared to whatever else they’ve been paid to drive that week. Some of us have slightly different requirements to put the icing on an otherwise fantastic but mass produced (mass market) cake.
You've never done a doughnut :sad:
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No! :sad:
I’ve never had a BMW company car !! :grin:
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No! :sad:
I’ve never had a BMW company car !! :grin:
:grin: My first car was a bmw 318i quickly traded for a 535i sport a manual one too :evil: doughnuts was that things warm up
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I have much respect for Chris Harris. I wish I could perform donuts in supercars on a disused runway whilst chatting to a go-pro and raking in millions for the pleasure!
Aside from the obvious differences in skill-sets and the fact I wouldn’t know how to do a donut even if I had to, plus I have far too much mechanical sympathy to even try, the plain truth of it is there is a dead inch of travel on mk7 and 7.5 Golf throttle pedals that can be cheaply avoided making the prodigious standard torque more accessible without hoofing the throttle. That in turn makes the car feel more responsive and quicker (placebo or not) in day to day driving.
Like a remap, it’s all about enjoyment of the car.
Without the pedalbox my Golfs felt less responsive than the variety of Diesel works vans I do get to drive (but alas not perform donuts in) if I feel like taking one out. With the pedalbox I can feel every one of those 280 lb ft of torque and can waft along briskly and quite happily barely moving my ankle. That alone gives me much pleasure. Slightly more pressure on the throttle and the car is off like a scolded cat. Perfect. That’s what hot hatches are about to me. No Chris Harris skills needed.
Believe a little less what motoring journalists write and a little more about what demanding owners who pay for their own cars think, do some research and come to your own conclusions. Journalists get an impression of a car compared to whatever else they’ve been paid to drive that week. Some of us have slightly different requirements to put the icing on an otherwise fantastic but mass produced (mass market) cake.
I think his driving skills extend to a bit more than a few donuts on empty airfields!
That’s a bit like saying Exonian has a bit of experience of Golfs as he once test drove a TDI.
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Yes, I’ve had an interesting and varied motoring history!! :grin:
Golf, Golf, Golf, Golf, Golf... 😴😴
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Yes, I’ve had an interesting and varied motoring history!! :grin:
Golf, Golf, Golf, Golf, Golf... 😴😴
Don’t worry I was the same years ago and have owned maybe 30 mk4s :whistle:
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Yes, I’ve had an interesting and varied motoring history!! :grin:
Golf, Golf, Golf, Golf, Golf... 😴😴
But will you become a MK8 sage....
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Don’t worry I was the same years ago and have owned maybe 30 mk4s :whistle:
Now that’s a story that needs elaborating on!!
But will you become a MK8 sage...
I’m certainly no sage.
Dunno about the mk8.
Currently I think the models I’ve seen so far are ugly as sin snd I don’t like the interiors *but* there are things that do pique my interest about them so who knows in time.
Biggest hurdle is the financial one. I’ve dropped my income a lot in recent times and seem to have more outgoings to match! :cry:
Maybe I should go work for VW and save myself a fortune actually buying cars! :rolleyes: :lipsrsealed:
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thanks all love the way things drift of onto different topics. think am just going to buy em both..
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thanks all love the way things drift of onto different topics. think am just going to buy em both..
That’s the sort of spirit I like to see!
It’ll spice up the car somewhat!
:afro: