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Title: Alloys : Will They Fit?
Post by: rjwojcik on 24 June 2018, 17:59
Guys

Looking at a set of 18 x 8 .5, ET50s.  Any managed to fit a set on a Mk7, standard suspension setup.

If so, what tyre setup did you go for?

TIA
Title: Re: Alloys : Will They Fit?
Post by: Exonian on 24 June 2018, 19:28
They’ll fit in that size.
Tyres will ideally need to be 235’s or they’ll look a bit stretched.
Title: Re: Alloys : Will They Fit?
Post by: rjwojcik on 24 June 2018, 21:58
Thanks

Was thinking 255/35R18s for the tyres.

According to my calcs, I'll have 11.5mm less clearance on the inside and they'll stick out 13.5mm more.
Title: Re: Alloys : Will They Fit?
Post by: SRGTD on 24 June 2018, 22:54
Thanks

Was thinking 255/35R18s for the tyres.

According to my calcs, I'll have 11.5mm less clearance on the inside and they'll stick out 13.5mm more.

A 255 section tyre is just over 10 inches wide.

Presumably your calculations are based just on the wheel width, so when you factor in the extra width that the tyres will add - approx 38-40mm to the overall width on an 8.5j wheel (so and extra 19/20mm on the inside face and 19/20mm on the outside face of the wheel), you’ll actually have 30.5/31.5mm less clearance on the inside and they’ll stick out 32.5/33.5mm more. Could that mean your tyres extend beyond the wheel arch?

IMO, and as Exonian has suggested, 235 section tyres would be better.
Title: Re: Alloys : Will They Fit?
Post by: BobbyT on 25 June 2018, 01:04
235 or 245 on an 8.5. 235 will have a small amount of stretch, I've run this set up and it was fine but 245 would be perfect. 255 would be too much imho
Title: Re: Alloys : Will They Fit?
Post by: Jeff Wood on 25 June 2018, 02:14
I'd stick to 8" width and 225/40's, (et40 or 45).

It's a hatchback remember not a muscle car :grin:
Title: Re: Alloys : Will They Fit?
Post by: rjwojcik on 25 June 2018, 08:06
Cheers guys, might look at an 8" solution then.  Not really keen on streched tyres, I'm not that young.
Title: Re: Alloys : Will They Fit?
Post by: Mike J on 25 June 2018, 08:54
When I was speking my new car I also considered fitting different wheels and tyres.

However, the dealer pointed out that ff the wheels and tyres were not those specifically recommended by the manufacturer in the handbook they would almost certainly affect the vehicle insurance, especially if the car was involved in an accident.
This advice resulted in a financial loss to the dealer as I choose a lower spec. car.

Having been a Court witness for an insurance company I have seen firsthand how a specialist solicitor can completely destroy the driver of an overly modified car that had been involved in a collision.




 
Title: Re: Alloys : Will They Fit?
Post by: SRGTD on 25 June 2018, 09:49
When I was speking my new car I also considered fitting different wheels and tyres.

However, the dealer pointed out that ff the wheels and tyres were not those specifically recommended by the manufacturer in the handbook they would almost certainly affect the vehicle insurance, especially if the car was involved in an accident.
This advice resulted in a financial loss to the dealer as I choose a lower spec. car.

Having been a Court witness for an insurance company I have seen firsthand how a specialist solicitor can completely destroy the driver of an overly modified car that had been involved in a collision.

That’s why it’s important any modifications are declared to the insurance company.

I’ve changed the wheels on my car and I declared this to my insurer. I can access my policy details on line via the insurer’s web site and can see that the modification is noted on my policy, so there’s evidence I’ve declared the modification and my insurer has accepted it.
Title: Re: Alloys : Will They Fit?
Post by: rjwojcik on 25 June 2018, 10:58
I always declare my mods,  so no worries in that dept.
Title: Re: Alloys : Will They Fit?
Post by: Gnasher on 25 June 2018, 12:12
Although I'm running 19's, I think I can help…

I'm running 19x8.5 ET46 with 235/35R19 tyres, lowered on Eibach Sportlines. There were 2 places a tiny amount of rubbing occurred on...

1. The top of the wheelarch liner (where the screw holds it near the front of the arch - cured by the fender screw mod,

2. On the inside of the front wheel. at full lock on the outside wheel, mine (literally) just touch the arch liner. With ET50, the inner edge is likely to be 4mm further in than mine, so could rub more.

On an 8.5" wide rim, the sweet spot is about ET45 and a 235 tyre shouldn't really rub at that.
Title: Re: Alloys : Will They Fit?
Post by: rjwojcik on 25 June 2018, 13:04
Although I'm running 19's, I think I can help…

I'm running 19x8.5 ET46 with 235/35R19 tyres, lowered on Eibach Sportlines. There were 2 places a tiny amount of rubbing occurred on...

1. The top of the wheelarch liner (where the screw holds it near the front of the arch - cured by the fender screw mod,

2. On the inside of the front wheel. at full lock on the outside wheel, mine (literally) just touch the arch liner. With ET50, the inner edge is likely to be 4mm further in than mine, so could rub more.

On an 8.5" wide rim, the sweet spot is about ET45 and a 235 tyre shouldn't really rub at that.

This is really helpfull, so potentially a couple of smallish spacers could sort me out.
Title: Re: Alloys : Will They Fit?
Post by: dubber36 on 25 June 2018, 18:09
Is this slight rubbing when steering when the car is stationary, or under suspension compression when cornering?
Title: Re: Alloys : Will They Fit?
Post by: Gnasher on 25 June 2018, 18:20
The rubbing at the top of the wheelarch liner was only when the suspension is compressed (IE, a dip or a speed bump).

Weirdly, if I steer the car at a standstill, it doesn't touch the arch liner but it sometimes (albeit rarely) does when moving - I'd guess due to movement in the suspension bushings etc.

Not fled an MOT with it - any rubbing would normally fail, and I don't go to any particular "dodgy/blind to mods" type MOT testing station.
Title: Re: Alloys : Will They Fit?
Post by: Exonian on 26 June 2018, 11:36
Cheers guys, might look at an 8" solution then.  Not really keen on streched tyres, I'm not that young.

Was it a particular wheel you were looking at that’s only available in 8.5”?

A lot of 19” wheels come in this width for (assumed) structural strength but the majority of aftermarket 18” wheels are 8” wide.
Personally with an 18” wheel I’d want to keep it to an 8” width using a 225 tyre.
For me, and I’m no expert but have spent an inordinate amount of time experimenting with these things when I used to have too much time on my hands  :rolleyes: I’d rather go 8x18 and mess about with offsets depending on what the wheel manufacturer offers.
Personal preferences for me on a mk7 are front ET between 40 and 45, rears between 35 and 45.
Title: Re: Alloys : Will They Fit?
Post by: rjwojcik on 26 June 2018, 13:13
Just fancy something different to the standard Golf offerings.  Not too keen on diamond cut either.

Currently scratching my chin at these:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SET-OF-FOUR-GENUINE-AUDI-Q5-18-ALLOY-WHEELS-X4-8R0601025AD/191742434311?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649 (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SET-OF-FOUR-GENUINE-AUDI-Q5-18-ALLOY-WHEELS-X4-8R0601025AD/191742434311?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649)

or

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/AUDI-TT-MK3-8S-2015-ALLOY-WHEELS-TYRES-8S0601025C-245-40-R18/292598527327?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649 (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/AUDI-TT-MK3-8S-2015-ALLOY-WHEELS-TYRES-8S0601025C-245-40-R18/292598527327?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649)

Title: Re: Alloys : Will They Fit?
Post by: Gnasher on 26 June 2018, 15:09
I reckon you'll have rubbing issues with the tyres fitted to those - with that offset, 245 width tyres will touch at my 2nd point described above.

If you stick to 235/40 and (maybe) for 5mm spacers, you should be okay (although no guarantees).
Title: Re: Alloys : Will They Fit?
Post by: rjwojcik on 26 June 2018, 15:30
No worries, thanks.  Was gonna change the tyres, just want them for the alloys.
Title: Re: Alloys : Will They Fit?
Post by: Jeff Wood on 26 June 2018, 21:45
Those Audi Q5 wheels seem a good buy !!

If its true and they are genuine,

Right size and a good offset,,,what are you waiting for  :grin:
Title: Re: Alloys : Will They Fit?
Post by: Exonian on 26 June 2018, 22:06
Those Audi Q5 wheels seem a good buy !!

If its true and they are genuine,

Right size and a good offset,,,what are you waiting for  :grin:

They will be genuine, partsdepot are an Audi dealer parts dept. I got a set of Scirocco “motorsport” wheels cheaply from them when I had my R.
The centre bore on some Audi wheels are larger than the VW 57.1mm but can be sleeved down.
Title: Re: Alloys : Will They Fit?
Post by: rjwojcik on 26 June 2018, 22:20
Those Audi Q5 wheels seem a good buy !!

If its true and they are genuine,

Right size and a good offset,,,what are you waiting for  :grin:

They will be genuine, partsdepot are an Audi dealer parts dept. I got a set of Scirocco “motorsport” wheels cheaply from them when I had my R.
The centre bore on some Audi wheels are larger than the VW 57.1mm but can be sleeved down.

Damn, just checked - the centre bore for the Q5 looks like it's 66.5mm.  The search continues...

Thanks for the heads up.
Title: Re: Alloys : Will They Fit?
Post by: jv on 27 June 2018, 22:53
Spigot rings can sort that out, eg:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/TPI-Alloy-Wheel-Hub-Rings-Spigot-Rings-Location-Spacers-66-5-57-1/282682010315
Title: Re: Alloys : Will They Fit?
Post by: rjwojcik on 27 June 2018, 23:12
Spigot rings can sort that out, eg:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/TPI-Alloy-Wheel-Hub-Rings-Spigot-Rings-Location-Spacers-66-5-57-1/282682010315

 :smiley:  Thank you...
Title: Re: Alloys : Will They Fit?
Post by: dubber36 on 28 June 2018, 07:56
Q5 wheels will be heavy as they are built to support the weight of a heavier car and stand up to a bit of off roading.
Title: Re: Alloys : Will They Fit?
Post by: rjwojcik2 on 28 June 2018, 12:18
Q5 wheels will be heavy as they are built to support the weight of a heavier car and stand up to a bit of off roading.

Might be right, at least potholes will no longer result me wincing (as much).  I think (for now) I'll continue my search ...
Title: Re: Alloys : Will They Fit?
Post by: Exonian on 29 June 2018, 04:58
Been a busy couple of days so I’m late back to the party.

As jv links to, spigot rings will sleeve the centre bore down to the right size for just a few quid, but...

If it were me, and when I had my GTD for 15 minutes before a sl*tty Clubsport stole me away this was my plan:

Sticking to 18” wheels I was going to get a set of Mak Wolf wheels in grey/silver.
These are Italian made wheels to OEM quality and the Wolf was designed with the current VW range and particularly the mk7 Golf in mind, looking very OEM.

Don’t shoot me if it’s no longer the case but the Wolf took the VW centre cap and even the bolt holes accommodated the VW but covers when ordered in 57.1mm centre bore when these wheels were launched.
Order them in Scirocco fitment at 8x18 ET41 (57.1 CB) and they’ll sit absolutely perfectly in the mk7’s arches.
Cheap too from tyreleader although sometimes ordering direct from MAK in Italy can work out a bit cheaper, check their eBay shop.

https://www.tyreleader.co.uk/alloy-wheels-brands/mak/wolf-870/
Title: Re: Alloys : Will They Fit?
Post by: rjwojcik2 on 29 June 2018, 08:09
Been a busy couple of days so I’m late back to the party.

As jv links to, spigot rings will sleeve the centre bore down to the right size for just a few quid, but...

If it were me, and when I had my GTD for 15 minutes before a sl*tty Clubsport stole me away this was my plan:

Sticking to 18” wheels I was going to get a set of Mak Wolf wheels in grey/silver.
These are Italian made wheels to OEM quality and the Wolf was designed with the current VW range and particularly the mk7 Golf in mind, looking very OEM.

Don’t shoot me if it’s no longer the case but the Wolf took the VW centre cap and even the bolt holes accommodated the VW but covers when ordered in 57.1mm centre bore when these wheels were launched.
Order them in Scirocco fitment at 8x18 ET41 (57.1 CB) and they’ll sit absolutely perfectly in the mk7’s arches.
Cheap too from tyreleader although sometimes ordering direct from MAK in Italy can work out a bit cheaper, check their eBay shop.

https://www.tyreleader.co.uk/alloy-wheels-brands/mak/wolf-870/

Good man, thank you...

We really need a hall of fame on this forum, or am I missing something.