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Model specific boards => Golf mk7 => Topic started by: Bullfinch on 25 May 2018, 23:10
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My privately owned Mk7 GTi PP will be 4 years old in Sept, it's done less than 30,000 miles and now would be the time I normally change cars. However changing to a Mk7.5 (and parting with £10-15k+) doesn't seem to make much logic. I'd get 10hp more, 7 speed DSG and improved ICE/connectivity. The recently announced TCR doesn't seem to move the dial much either. I don't need an R.
So is anyone else waiting for a Mk8 and when do you think a decent GTi will be offered - will they be out in time for Sept 19 change of plate?
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Can’t see them being available until 2020 if the standard car comes out midway thru next year
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I think it’ll be 2020 too tbh.
The performance cars are always a bit behind the vanilla models. It was a good 6-8 months after the MK7 was launched (late 2012) until the GTI landed in showrooms (mid 2013). So if the standard MK8 appears late next year (and maybe it’ll be later?), I think the GTI will be at least 4-6 months later...
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If going by what happened the last time is any indication what to expect:
10 November 2012 the Golf was presented/first available at dealers in Germany.
In the UK it became available only in the Spring 2013.
In Geneva in March 2013 GTI was unveiled and became available later that year.
So if Golf Mk8 is available in the autumn 2019 in Germany, I would not expect it sooner than summer 2020 in the UK market...
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Yeah, I ordered one in April 13 and took delivery in July.
If I recall correctly, UK lead times were crazy. Some guys waiting 6+ months from ordering to delivery.
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So is anyone else waiting for a Mk8 and when do you think a decent GTi will be offered - will they be out in time for Sept 19 change of plate?
Also bear in mind that once the order books open for the GTI, you also need to factor in the waiting time from when the car is ordered to taking delivery of the car. This could be influenced by factors such as;
increased customer interest and customer demand in the new model
VW may limit the number of build slots allocated to dealers to make the GTI ‘more exclusive’ in the early months of its life
the spec of the car ordered by the customer; historically, certain options seem to have impacted build timescales; e.g. reversing camera, certain designs of alloys)
When the mk7 Golf GTI was launched, some owners experienced a long wait for their cars after ordering - 8 months wasn’t unusual, with some waiting longer. The long wait scenario is also currently being repeated for customers who’ve ordered the new Polo GTI and GTI+ models; anyone ordering one now is being quoted 40+ weeks waiting time, so expected delivery around March 19 plate change).
So, if the mk8 Golf GTI order books open say, 6 months after the mk8 Golf launch (end 2019/beginning 2020), if there’s a similar 8 month wait, it could be late summer/early autumn 2020 before the first customers actually take delivery of a mk8 Golf GTI.
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Thanks for the comments. Having seen how long it's taking to see new Polos on the road and reading the comments about the slow ramp up in the model range for Mk7 Golfs back in 2012/3 then estimates around being on the road in mid 2020 seem reasonable. Need to get that spreadsheet out again and consider some new scenarios - second hand Clubsport Edition 40 perhaps?
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Thanks for the comments. Having seen how long it's taking to see new Polos on the road and reading the comments about the slow ramp up in the model range for Mk7 Golfs back in 2012/3 then estimates around being on the road in mid 2020 seem reasonable. Need to get that spreadsheet out again and consider some new scenarios - second hand Clubsport Edition 40 perhaps?
Facelift S3 :huh:
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also, I've got a feeling that they won't be offering a 3 door version of the new Golf.
so if you're anything like me who only likes 3 doors, then I would get a 7.5.
Personally I'd buy a TCR :)
& add to that, the shape of it might not be as nice as the 7.5, personally I dont think the new Polo is a nicer shape, I think they got it just right with the 7..
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also, I've got a feeling that they won't be offering a 3 door version of the new Golf.
so if you're anything like me who only likes 3 doors, then I would get a 7.5.
Personally I'd buy a TCR :)
& add to that, the shape of it might not be as nice as the 7.5, personally I dont think the new Polo is a nicer shape, I think they got it just right with the 7..
I hope that’s not true. My next car won’t be a Golf if I can’t get a 3 door.
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It's hard to second guess what VW will do despite the fact it's a big corporate company with a huge network to feed.
Each generation seems to follow a slightly different path with the only constant being the massive and frustrating wait times.
My first mk7 was ordered the week the books opened in early-mid April 2013 and arrived in late October of that year. It didn't have a massive spec either, PP, NAV, Park Assist and Rear Camera (the latter wasn't a pack back then), oh and it was a 3 door.
The mk8 should be quite a step forward as far as tech is concerned, even if the first models will be fairly familiar just with added petrol emissions filters and such things (which will possibly be a nightmare a few years down the line).
The mk5 saw the GTI as a mainstream model and was hugely popular.
When it was facelifted to the mk6 it was launched again as a totally new model and the GTI and R (and GTD) were then classified as separate niche models with limited dealer ordering. The waiting lists became stupid at times but values held well due to the rarity and desireability of the models. I think I had some of my lowest Golf depreciation in pure £££ terms with my MK6's.
The mk7 saw the performance models launched again as mainstream cars without the apparent ordering limitations.
The GTI was quite popular initially but the GTD and R were punted at the fleet market through cheap leases, which killed off any special status or rarity of either model.
Demand is strong for the cars so resale values aren't terrible but they're not great either.
With the GTI 'brand' now seeing the up! GTI and Polo GTI becoming popular models with massive waiting times for build slots it'll be a given that the next generation of GTI and R will have huge lead times.
As for the looks, we don't know yet but I'm not a fan of the current styling trend VW are now aiming for with too many creases and overly fussy front ends.
I personally think unless you're going for a PP or TCR/Clubsport that the Polo GTI is a better option now it has the MQB platform.
The interior quality is a touch down on the Golf but the tech is right up there and the fun factor is probably just as good.
I think the Ibiza is a much sharper looking car though and would probably favour an Ibiza Cupra over the Polo GTI when they eventually get launched just to be a bit different (plus I have a good history with the original Ibiza Cupras from a previous life).
If I was in the OP's shoes now I'm not sure what I'd do.
A low mileage Clubsport would be a massive step up in the fun stakes (and arguably looks depending on how you like your cars to look) and a TCR is a very appealing package depending on how long they take to get into production. Both will be quite rare and look unique.
A FL R is also an option, they can be picked up for decent money minus the wait if you're not fussed on spec. Such an accomplished car to drive. Not the most thrilling but definitely the best thing VW have ever made for pure cost vs performance potential.
Or an extended warranty and just enjoy a crackingly good car for a few more years whilst saving hard for the mk8.
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I also wouldn’t be surprised to see the demise of the three door. Audi have killed it off on the A3, and considering only 1,000 of the 10,000 Golfs on Autotrader are three door I don’t think the demand is there anymore. Manufacturers are streamlining models and spec so they can introduce more electric models.
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I'd pretty much agree with that. Certainly if you want a 3 door VW then the options are diminishing. No more Beetle, Scirocco effectively replaced by the T-Roc, no more 3 door Polo. Then there's the loss of the 3 door Audi A3, the 3 door SEAT Ibiza and Leon SC. Wouldn't surprise me at all if the 3 door Golf got canned. Same if you want a VW with a manual gearbox and a strong engine. There ain't a lot out there if buying new :sad:
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I know I said before that I would get a TCR.....thinking about it, I think I would look for a mint low miles 3 door Clubsport.
The Clubsport looks better than a TCR, plus you wont have the wait, and it will £££'s less.
And I'm pretty sure you can retrofit the Dynamic rear indicators.
Ok you wont have the active dash, but I could live without that.
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Fairly sure VW have already said no more 3 door...
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Fairly sure VW have already said no more 3 door...
Ahh bugger! You got a link?
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Fairly sure VW have already said no more 3 door...
:cry: And no more manual?
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On previous discussions of the mk8 GTi, didn't we conclude there was a fair chance it could be some form of hybrid?
To me the 7.5 is a honed mk7 with slight improvements, although I don't actually prefer the look?
I wouldn't want to own one of the first next generation GTi, VW often have a few teething issues with their cars, I would be happy to let a few brave soles buy theirs first to see how they get on. Maybe buy one after a couple of years when VW have sorted any possible niggles???
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I wouldn't want to own one of the first next generation GTi, VW often have a few teething issues with their cars, I would be happy to let a few brave soles buy theirs first to see how they get on. Maybe buy one after a couple of years when VW have sorted any possible niggles???
@clubsport, totally agree with you on this. I’d have no desire to be an early adopter of a new model and effectively be an unpaid product tester for VW!
Aside from any potential teething issues, waiting a couple of years should (hopefully) mean that if there are lengthy wait times for the first customers, these will have reduced to something more acceptable two years after launch. And it’s likely you’ll be able to get a better deal two years into a car’s lifecycle than you will if you order one of the first.
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I had one of the very first MK7 GTI’s. I had zero teething issues with it that I can recall.
Imo the novelty of owning one of the very early cars, when they are a relatively rare sight totally outweighs worrying about being an early adopter.
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Joe GTi and myself had one of the first GTis in the country. I got mime end of July 2013 and had no teething problems. Only problem I have had was the thermostat housing a few months ago. Hasn’t missed a beat other than that in almost 5 years and 60,000km. I will be ordering a Mk8 when the order books open in Ireland
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If you can believe what they write:
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/2019-volkswagen-golf-mk8-first-pictures-mule-show-new-cabin-tech
That actually says 3 door will remain...
Also says MK8 GTI will be a mild hybrid with a 48V system.
I am fairly sure all of the Mk8 range will have hybrid tech or varying degrees. Its just the way everyone is going.
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I wouldn't want to own one of the first next generation GTi, VW often have a few teething issues with their cars, I would be happy to let a few brave soles buy theirs first to see how they get on. Maybe buy one after a couple of years when VW have sorted any possible niggles???
@clubsport, totally agree with you on this. I’d have no desire to be an early adopter of a new model and effectively be an unpaid product tester for VW!
Aside from any potential teething issues, waiting a couple of years should (hopefully) mean that if there are lengthy wait times for the first customers, these will have reduced to something more acceptable two years after launch. And it’s likely you’ll be able to get a better deal two years into a car’s lifecycle than you will if you order one of the first.
A bit of a mixed bag whether to be an early adopter or not.
I didn't have any problems with a very early mk6 and an early mk7.
Specs have been improved after the first 12 months or so on the mk6 and mk7.
The mk5 and mk4 however had downgraded spec after a year or two!
It's nice to have one of the first ones of a new model especially if you've had the previous generation for several years and bored of it, but the waiting times are a pain in the derriere and there's always the risk of teething problems or spec improvements early in the model cycle.
Swings and roundabouts but better to wait a while on balance.
If you can believe what they write:
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/2019-volkswagen-golf-mk8-first-pictures-mule-show-new-cabin-tech
That actually says 3 door will remain...
Also says MK8 GTI will be a mild hybrid with a 48V system.
I am fairly sure all of the Mk8 range will have hybrid tech or varying degrees. Its just the way everyone is going.
It was pretty much confirmed by VW insiders during a marketing customer focus exercise recently that the performance models at least will have hybrid technology.
It'll force the costs up but gets around ever spiralling power outputs and the need for ultra clean emissions.
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If you can believe what they write:
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/2019-volkswagen-golf-mk8-first-pictures-mule-show-new-cabin-tech
That actually says 3 door will remain...
Also says MK8 GTI will be a mild hybrid with a 48V system.
I am fairly sure all of the Mk8 range will have hybrid tech or varying degrees. Its just the way everyone is going.
Makes me laugh these well researched and accurate articles... last Golf cabrio 2014/15 mk6 :rolleyes:
Three-door stays but no cabrio
VW plans three bodystyles: three-door hatchback, five-door hatchback and estate. There are no plans to develop a successor to today’s cabriolet model.
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I have no wish to replace mine anytime soon.
It was on the first delivery to the U.K late June 13 (according to the dealer).
Picked up July 10.
Perfect car, a few cosmetic issues with the rusty hubs and diamond cut Austins.
I had a bluefin for a while and noticed some clutch slip but has been fine since I removed it.
New pads on the front and pads/discs on the rear last month. That’s all.
Poor wiper blades replaced with Bosch Aerotwins and horrible, horrible Bridgestones replaced with Contis, then PS4s.
I can honestly say that I am dreading the day I have to get rid.
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I ordered my car June 2013, collected it in October.
Still cannot figure out what to replace it with...coming on for 5 years, a record for my ownership history!
I will wait until the Mk8 is actually announced before committing to a replacement now (other performance hatches just don’t appeal) but this may turn out to be my “fun car for life”. My daily driver is a 2015 Citroen C4 Cactus 110 and is being replaced shortly by an electric car which will certainly be less fun to drive than my GTi.
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Waiting for the next model/version is a great way to save money. Use it for phones, cars, laptops, TVs... the list is endless!
If you play the game well, then you only end up getting a new thing when the new thing is really a big step up from what you already have.
My advice would be to wait till you see something you really think would be a step up and go for it. (Or alternatively be forced into the decision because the thing you already have has stopped being great).
(Obviously this does not apply to spouses. You have to stick with them long after they have stopped working and long after there are better models available :laugh:)
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I'm waiting for the Mk12 RRRRRGTR, apparently it's going to have hover drive and 10000000bhp. Wing backs may be an option by then too
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I'm waiting for the Mk12 RRRRRGTR, apparently it's going to have hover drive and 10000000bhp. Wing backs may be an option by then too
Pretty sure I saw that on the Autoexpress site earlier with exclusive images of what it will look like :whistle:
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Waiting for the next model/version is a great way to save money. Use it for phones, cars, laptops, TVs... the list is endless!
If you play the game well, then you only end up getting a new thing when the new thing is really a big step up from what you already have.
My advice would be to wait till you see something you really think would be a step up and go for it. (Or alternatively be forced into the decision because the thing you already have has stopped being great).
(Obviously this does not apply to spouses. You have to stick with them long after they have stopped working and long after there are better models available :laugh:)
:grin: You could have won Britains Got Talent!.Trade up your GTI spouse for an R!.
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Too much crap going on with diesel demonisation,emissions,hybrids,electric, expensive first year VED etc.
I think we've reached a point where it will be 1 step forward and 2 steps back.
Definitely a 'wait and see' game now.
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I'm waiting for the Mk12 RRRRRGTR, apparently it's going to have hover drive and 10000000bhp. Wing backs may be an option by then too
Pretty sure I saw that on the Autoexpress site earlier with exclusive images of what it will look like :whistle:
Ah yes, those ‘100% accurate’ renderings that Auto Express are renowned for. I saw some of those of the mk8 Golf posted on another forum recently that has predominantly US/Canadian members. They seemed to be taken in by them :smiley:
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I don't think the latest images from Auto express are far off the mark, apart from those hideous black do nothing lower door stick ons!
The base car can't be 400bhp that's daft IMO. A £45K special maybe.
More likely a more sensible as other folks think 330BHP base model. Which judging by mine now loosened up will be ballistic enough.
Think I'll maybe life permitting? hang fire for the 8.5 facelift 2023? :wink: